Breakingthewall

Non existence doesn't exist, is the reality still, existence is the reality changing . Imo it's important to see the difference between existence and reality Not separate, reality is the absolute, existence is an aspect of the reality, the becoming. The change of the reality respect itself, movement. It's infinite, but not absolute. The absolute is the reality. This is the point.

That's exactly the point, the real substance. That thickness is the totality. If you stare it directly, without any idea, filter, distraction, it opens. It's not like realizing something, it's that the substance of reality opens and you are that, then everything is you, but not as a entity but as a substance, and that substance is not empty, I absolutely full, it lives without bottom It's like for you the happening is empty, just the substance is full, and the substance is precisely you. But probably if you are totally open to the substance, you will perceive it in the world , then you will see that everything is deep, alive. That of everything is imagination is meaningless, this's just structure. What is the point is the substance, what reality is. Can't be said by definition

Good intuition. All that stuff about deep sleep and consciousness is absolutely irrelevant, what is real is the substance of reality, not its structure. About deep sleep, it's just an interruption in the conciousness, it's the same than death, it's in another plane of the reality: what doesn't exist. Existence is what's happens, the becoming, deep sleep doesn't happen, it's out of the happening, but that doesn't means that it isn't real. Happening is the movement of the reality, then the absence of happening is just the reality still.

The vast majority (myself included) would never look within without being forced to, because the outside is so absorbing. There are very few people with a mystical vocation who aren't born of trauma. I suppose they're people who, by nature, perceive the world as dull. This surely creates imbalance, a feeling that reality is unreal, dead. Then perhaps at some point, naturally, without violence, reality opens up in them.

Yeah that's. It's inevitable, then it's extremely difficult to focus your attention in the structure because even you think that you are doing it you are looking outside. That's why usually only a wound that tells you again and again that that's not the place where you should look is the key. But some could do without that, just for vocation.

@zurew well said , this demonstrates the obviousness that while from an unlimited perspective everything is the same, from the perspective of form everything has an infinite meaning, everything starts a chain of infinite cause and effect relationships, then the monk would perceive that each breath, each energetic vibration that produces a thought reverberates in eternity, and from the relational node that he is, only openness, synchrony and fluidity would arise, since that would be its nature, it's structure. Violence is a kind or relational energy that happens in reality, but you could say that it's low vibration. The monk would operate from higher vibration and the result would be armony. It's not that he choose armony, it's that his structure is that and what emanates from that equalized structure is harmony. It's not "better", it's equalized, another level of existence

Really? Sounds like an adventure. I think that kind of attitude happens when the self trust is real, then panic is just an hindrance, calm is the best option to survive, it's automatic.

I don't know ,I find slaughterhouses and meat processing disgusting. Hunting a deer in the tundra isn't the same as an industrial slaughterhouse

Maybe at some point you have the need/compulsion to break through all barriers, and you focus on that to the fullest. Imo usually happens for two reasons: first, you perceive your current structure as a prison; you need depth, openness, absolute inner freedom. Second, you truly see the possibility of doing it; you sense it; it's there, just beneath the surface; you almost have it... that feeling. Then, intuitively, you do what you see leading to that. Meditation, psychedelics, or anything else you perceive as something that can help you break through the ice on the surface

People who use violence to empower themselves do so out of a place of lack, a need to complete themselves, anger over past trauma and humiliation, and a reaffirmation of narcissistic structures. Supposedly, a truly Zen monk would have left these energetic structures behind.

@kbone It depends on your objective. When I read these authors, my goal is purely analytical; there's nothing that interests me personally about any of the authors. I mean, what I do is an analysis like a historian, purely out of hobby, interest, not as a search. The search is within yourself, not in books. That's fine at first; when you're completely closed off, mystical authors help open your perspective. But once you reach a certain point (a fairly basic point, by the way), nothing anyone says means anything in terms of penetrating reality, since you're not operating on a conceptual level. Then you can talk about your perspectives as we do here, same than you could talk about politics or anything else, just expression When I was absolutely blind with a wall in front of my face all time I used to think: I can't believe those authors, maybe everything are bullshit or traps. Maybe the ultimate reality in nihilism, hell or shit, everything is possible. They could be a help in the sense of...let's see all of them say that ultimately reality is not horror, then when you face horror you think...let's trust a bit and let's get deeper. But nothing else

Yes pesticides and hormones like paclobutrazol everywhere, it's almost impossible to avoid. Supposedly it's not so bad, but who knows , lot of cancer. When people lived in caves sure they ate lots of seeds and vegetables. Anyway almost everyone dies young . Imo the point is your feeling, if you like sports and challenging your body you feel clearly what stress more your body. A lot of people agree that meat stresses, like it's heavy, dirty, inflammatory , makes your body works double to process it. But not everyone is the same

I eat meat sometimes but I don't like the way animals are treated on factory farms. Furthermore, meat is full of hormones and antibiotics, and fish is contaminated with heavy metals. Intuitively, I think it's healthier to eat vegetables, whey protein, kefir, and eggs. They're easy to find from organic farms; they're a little more expensive, but not that expensive. My perception is that not eating meat translates into better machine performance.

You could eat milk and eggs from happy animals, are much better than meat.

That implies that infinity has a center and that center is you. It would be a limit in infinity, and that's impossible

You have spiritual intuition and real inclination, for sure. Maybe not the fanatic will to break everything but probably you don't need it.

I'd say no, because openness refers to the configuration of the structure that we are. That is, we know that a structure exists, that reality is configured as a form; otherwise, there would be no experience. So, that form can be more open or more closed. Reality will always be reality, but the structure of the form changes. Ultimately, it's the same, since the structure is made of reality; it's a manifestation of reality. But how the structure perceives itself changes.

You could try this formulation as an experiment :there is no ego and truth, there are levels of closure and openness. What we call love is simply reality. In an open structure, it is perceived as spaciousness, unity, creative energy. In a closed structure, it is perceived as contraction, separation, defense. Using the word love is like using the word nothing; it is misleading, dualistic, and formulated from the structure that closes. Makes distinctions, then leads to confusion.

In all of these authors, one perceives a real openness to the absolute, but in all of them there is some degree of structural closure except for one: Rumi. Let's see, I'm not judging these masters but rather the texts that have come down to us, and they are surely distorted by interpretations that don't capture their essence. But we only have the texts, therefore, they are equivalent to their texts. Rumi's case is special because he doesn't formulate an ontology but rather drops samples of his perception into proverbs and stories. Nothing is concrete or defined and therefore not as susceptible to modification over time. Even so, it's likely that Plotinus said: true virtue lies in despising the pleasures of this world. My friend Plotinus, this world is the reality. What you call pleasures is a structural level perceived by a structure that operates at that level and that perceive them pleasures. Just as for you pleasure is observing the blue sky, for another it is going to a cheap brothel. Rumi would say: both are the breath of the beloved. One is dual, the other nondual. Can you imagine Rumi saying this world is an illusion? That would be blasphemous, he'd say: this world is the beloved in one of its thousand faces. The difference is total: some close, others open. Or in other words, only total openness reveals the truth. Partial openness intuits it, and from this intuition, a limited ontology is formulated. Since reality is open, limitedness is synonymous with falsehood.

Existence is movement, then absence of movement is non existence. The totality is not the movement, is what moves, what allows the movement or makes it inevitable. From this you could say that non existence really is the same than existence, the only difference is that one moves, the other doesn't. Of course existence is always because non existence means never, and never doesn't exist, it's like a tautology

I think you are absolutely deceived, just another narcissistic. I know that who have that particularity really think that are enlightened and spread their things, but as here there is people really interested in the real thing,when detect a liar (even he doesn't know he is) I just point it. Who can see will see, that's all. Done.

The absolute is not infinite; infinity is its inevitable expression. The absolute is absolutely unnameable and is what reality is. You could call it openness, but that's not true. The openness of the structure of form allows the absolute to manifest without filter and to recognize itself within form. It is not describable. Infinity is one description; nothing is another. Both are possibilities, not the absolute. Maybe inevitable possibilities, but they are not the total. The total is total, period.

I don't know, when you sleep and your brain gets off. That of openess doesn't mean that you understand how the reality works, just what the reality is, it's nature, what you are. It's exactly you now, but the human structure closes by default, because the character of life, how life is built

Why nothing? That's a misleading idea, only reading that explanation makes me sick, like if I see someone lying to mislead the people just for evilness, like a demon. I'm not saying that you are, just my feeling reading that "absolute nothingness", it's dead.

The only way to realize the absolute is being the absolute, it's like you erase all the structures, barriers, energies, that make you not equalized by the absolute, then in some moment you perceive the openess, it's like a fire that burns you, then you allow be burned and you are not you anymore, you are the totality. Its What you are, there is not loneliness, that doesn't exist as an idea, nothing exist as an idea, thats everything, it's total, absolute, hallelujah, etc. You can't say it's "nothing", it's the reality, period