Breakingthewall

Anyway, I will explain you why someone is suffering a lot just by the possibility of getting sick. Just because he's smart and he sees clearly that possibility, and he sees all it's implications. He also sees that human life is a trap, that he's a robot reacting to stimulus like a rat going directly to old age and death. Then someone would think: you are stupid (not a genius like the op) , why are you suffering? Life is great, come to have some drinks in a terrace and forget your foolnes. Just stop thinking about it and it's done. But that person couldn't, because that ideas and that nihilism got deep inside of his psyche. Then, how that person would stop his suffering? Manipulating his mind? How, if he is his mind? It's only one exit, only one. And it's not stop thinking.

😂You are great. That's the way to have a debate about spirituality. High level.

Totally agree. Leo Messi is extremely skilled. That shows he's wise. You've opened my eyes. You're right to insult me. It's ok that you call me stupid, but understand that when talking to people at your level, we're all at a disadvantage. Don't be so hard with people that is not so smart than you. It's ok that you insult them, that shows that you are great, but please, understand us, we are trying our best (that is low of course)

Of course, they depend entirely on the person processing them. For someone, the mere possibility of getting sick and spending all day suffering from catastrophic thoughts without anything having happened to them can be horrifying, even everything in his life is perfect. How can that person stop suffering? Why is he suffering?

Sure, it's much better to be with a woman who's with you because she believes it's her obligation, otherwise she'll go to hell. Western society is full of shit because it's an adult society that confronts itself openly, without an instruction manual, making mistakes and learning from them. Muslim society is a society of terrified children who only know how to do one thing: obey. Obedient children with false souls terrified about don't reach the standard. No artist, no scientist, no writers, no nothing, just obedient Muslims. Ah, and don't forget say thanks to west , without them Muslims would be happy in the X century, without medicines, technology and electricity ,just praying a lot obediently , terrified about a man, Muhammad, that is their lord, and you their slaves. Btw I hope your parents choose a good woman for you. But be careful, in many Muslim countries the most requested surgery is hymen reconstruction. Things sometimes are different that they seem.

Maybe makes you realize what's going wrong, for example you may have an inherited set of values that makes it impossible for you to accept your situation, but on the other hand, you can't change that set of values by convincing yourself otherwise, because it's built into your structure. Masking it up won't help. So you might conclude that your only way out is to dig deep, reach the hardware, and deactivate it by transcending those structures. This isn't something you'll achieve by changing your thoughts; this's like covering up an infection without curing it. It will remain there, taking other forms. The problem is that real change is complex and requires absolute sovereignty. Then people will choose simpler solutions, but they doesn't work. Only the truth works, and changing your thoughts is deceiving yourself. Your values will remain, your need of validation, aceptation, success, etc, are going to make your structure closed, then you may feel that you are suffering less, but in background the vibration of suffering will remain. Suffering is not a sickness, it's a simptom, the sickness is disconnection, and the cure is open your structure to connect yourself with what you really are Anyway , maybe the other way also works, but I tried a lot, I read Tolle, etc, I internalized those ideas but were useless for me, I guess it depends of the person.

Maybe you have that thought because it is shitty.

that of being enlightened has many possible meanings, and usually are knowing nothing and that. What I said is just logical deduction. Reality is an open system of logical relationships, human mind the same

No, it's a reflection that is It's built from quadrillions of relationships between different states and perspectives at thousands of levels, all of them exactly symmetrical. Reality is made up of infinite dynamic relationships in constant motion. If that seems like nothing to you, it's because your definition of nothing is: infinite relationships that unfold infinitely in eternal dynamism. What is related? Reality. If it can be related, should we consider it is "something" or not? Even it's conciousness or being or anything, it is.

Yeah of course, its basis is genetic, but it lives indepent of the gene. The rest of the living beings that have existed on Earth for 3 billion years, which has been a lot of species, have been absolutely subject to genetics. That is, not only their physical characteristics, but their entire behavior has been precisely genetically coded with minimal room for maneuver. All lion packs do exactly the same thing; they hunt exactly the same; the males fight exactly the same generation after generation; everything is coded. Humans don't; they have flexibility. But the incredible thing is that they don't have much flexibility; they have total, absolute flexibility. A human can understand the quantum structure of reality. No animal can multiply; it's absolutely impossible, not even the smartest monkey in the world. You teleport a guy from prehistory here, and he can learn space engineering, genetic biology, and create an AI. The human mind is another dimension of existence. It's not that humans are smarter; it's that we've broken a dimensional barrier and operate on another level, free of the gene. Humans can fully understand reality. Imagine civilization if it doesn't collapse in 30,000 years. You can't, it's impossible. 30,000 years, biologically, are two minutes, nothing. Human mind is a living being that operates above another being, the human, a kind of larva that wouldn't survive two days without the group, that exists to lend its mental energy to the collective mind. It has a basic emotional coding that compels it to certain attitudes, reproduction, tribalism, acceptance of the clan, and on these bases, the mind flies. It expands. All life pushes to expand against the barriers of matter. The mind has leaped those barriers and expands at the speed of light.

I mean the collective mind. If you look at any living being, they do exactly the same thing every time, like robots. Seagulls nest on rocks, then perform mating rituals, fish in a certain way, etc., and for the slightest change, it takes 50,000 years. However, the collective human mind changes every second. It evolves like a living being, but at a speed that is perhaps not billions of times faster, but trillions. And accelerating. The collective mind is everything that humans know, all the interactions, relationship, thoughts, ideas, science, technology, literature, Instagram, every video, this conversation, every thought. Congo gorillas have been sitting there eating leaves for literally 400,000 years, without the slightest change. Maybe now the herds are 45 individuals instead of 38. That's all the change. Now look at humans and say: What the fuck.

Of course, in one week. And I won't keep entering the game again and again. But I can't handle this Neo-Advaita thing. It's like a drug. The bag of cocaine is right there. I promised I wouldn't open it, but sooner or later I'll open it to say: Neo-Advaita, don't you see that what you're saying is exactly the opposite? How can reality be a hallucination of the self if you say the self doesn't exist? Why do you say reality is nothing when you're all over there saying things? What means that thing?

It's your opinion, mine is other. Anyway, I'm not paying colombian hitmen to cut off his arms, just by telling him in a forum that he is a liar (because he is, even he doesn't know it) But agree, it's a stupid war, who needs that? Let's stop being personal. Really I have a feeling about james, like we are old friends or something like that, I don't hate him at all, but every time that I read his post it's like a need to tell him: man, please, don't you see what you are doing?

It's not personal at all, It's just showing falsehood, not because I feel superior, but because it's deeply toxic. I try to avoid it, but it's stronger than me. James has a one-year-old son, according to what he said. Do you think it's good that he thinks he's neo? It's all empty narcissism, self-validation by denying others. He's an aggressive vampire who feeds on denying others, and that's all his "enlightenment" is. About what you said that I get personal and triggered in some conversations, it's true and I should stop doing it , it's stupid, but the james case is different, it's not personal, it's helping him because he's in a big trap

Look at this. Then, you were dreaming, but look, there is not you, so the you who doesn't exist was dreaming. And what is a dream? It's just a mirror where you see yourself (who doesn't exist) , but it's really nothing, because it's reflecting you who are nothing. I think it's more credible the Aztec religion, or even the Greek with all the horny gods son of a bitches . What is that strange nihilism? Why anyone would need to believe that?

Who could be? I think it's Chatgpt with some human edition. Those símbols like the 🪞, etc , the spaces, seems IA. Anyway, the content is pure negative neo advaita without the slightest deviation. It's like a fundamentalist religion.

The human being is a totally different structure of reality than what life has been for millions of years. The difference lies in that in humans, another level of existence emerges : the mind. Humans are hive beings, and as individuals, they are guests of the collective mind, which they feed with their processing power. Any other living being would need tens of thousands of years for even the slightest change, since they were tied to genes. The mind has broken free from the gene. It is a living being free of matter that evolves literally billions of times faster than life tied to genes. Naturally, this is traumatic, alienating, and unstable, until you perceive that you are precisely that: the movement. Not someone within it, not a witness of it, not its creator. You are it. The flow itself, without center, without resistance, endlessly becoming.

Great that you appreciate, I respect your instinct I don't know, I think that the illusion is the perception of a center, but reality is just real.

It's a phase, impossible to avoid. The only solution is to follow the flow, which now means moving toward true openness. We are part of the flow and the flow itself. Life can be seen as suffering if you see it as a static point, but if you perceive it as flow, it is an exciting movement, full of life

This doesn't mean that a current individual is "worse" than a tribal individual, but rather that they are in a phase of development that seems to be the goal, but they are still in embryo. The problem is that the next step is very difficult to understand; it lies on terrain that almost no one will understand because it seems like a regression to religion, when in fact it is the final step of human development. First the tribe, direct life, then civilization with the external authority of religion as structural support, now technological civilization with the other as its ontological basis. But this is not the end; the level of suffering becomes increasingly evident. It is not the terrible suffering of war, but rather a dull, constant, and widespread suffering that pushes us to the final step: the opening to reality.

In the past, there were also closed structures, but they were more explicit, archetypal, and embodied: family, religion, tribe, duty. These were external structures that shaped the individual, but did not require a sophisticated psychological self-image. Suffering was direct, vital, evident: hunger, punishment, humiliation, slavery. But the subject was not divided into self-observing psychological layers; there was no alienated internal structure pretending to be free while living according to social reflection. Today, however, the closure is internal, invisible, and voluntary. The subject believes itself free, self-defines, self-corrects, and ceaselessly constructs itself. It lives for its image, for its validation. It is a profound subjective alienation, harder to detect than the whip. It suffers in silence, without knowing why, and without the possibility of rebellion, because it does not see the oppressor: the oppressor is its entire structure.

Yes, but we're talking about constant psychological suffering, not the specific suffering caused by a cause that compels you to resolve it. Permanent suffering is fundamentally the same, but it's very difficult to identify the cause because the cause is your structure. That is, suffering is an essential vibration of who you are and is constant 24/7, even if you don't always notice it. It's quite dramatic, but this is how most of humanity lives. The cause of psychological suffering doesn't have to be severe trauma; it's a closed psychological structure. Severe trauma closes, but it's not the only cause. Nowadays, we tend toward functional structures, with minimal trauma but in need of validation, totally oriented toward the social as the supreme value. Partner, friends, place in society. This seems perfectly logical, but it's closed. You reflect on others but aren't open to your true nature. You constantly operate from a place of lack. And the most problematic thing is that there doesn't seem to be any problem. It's the ideal world, but enclosed in a capsule, so no one sees the mammoth in the room, and they believe the most logical hypothesis: you're generating suffering by thinking incorrectly. Learn to think correctly, and there will be no suffering. This is blindness to a level that is crazy. People today have more underlying mental suffering than a galley slave in the 15th century (just an exaggeration, but maybe not so) because are disconnected, being disconnected is being dead in life occurs when you shut down, when you stop living directly and create a bubble of self-image that is the inevitable garment of life in today's society. No one is spared, and the most paradoxical thing is that the best adapted and successful are the most alienated and hopeless, but are the example that everyone would like to be

The sense of self is inevitable, it's how the reality is constructed now. It's not an illusion, it's a kind of perspective that is the manifestation of reality now. You can collapse the self and realize the reality directly, without the filter of duality, not perceiving anything but being it directly, but even so the self is registering. The self is doing a map in background always. Because the self wants to be transparent to allow direct vision then it need a map to don't get confused. Anyway, no map works, better don't try that, everything is very confusing from the mind

Sorry I didn't want to say that your vision is lie, I told you a mess without meaning. What I wanted to say is that it's not matter about purification or getting clean, it's about real openess to what reality is, then there are no maps, nothing is granted, nothing can be believed. If you have a powerful vision, absolutely true, your heart is absolutely open and you feel the flow of reality, you think: that's everything, but then you are closed and you start thinking, trying to make an ontology, and everything get confusing. Better don't get stuck in anything.

The point is: is the perception real or an illusion. I mean what is perceived . In my opinion it's absolutely real. Some days ago if someone would tell me: no, it's an illusion. I would think, he's totally deceived. But now I will try to think...let's imagine if he's right and I'm wrong.