Breakingthewall

The question is, what do you want? what is your path, where do you want to deepen. most people are in spirituality to stop suffering. later, when you more or less stop suffering, you keep going deeper because it is the truth, and if you fall in love with the truth, you align yourself with it, little by little, detaching yourself from everything egoic. the current leo teachings do not go that way. those of the past yes, but the leo 2.0 seems to be going down innovative paths that practically no one in the world is going to travel. Maybe in the future yes. I would listen to him out of curiosity and follow my own path

well, if you think about it ,being enlightened, in the non-self, flowing with infinity without any hindrance, is one thing, and another to delve into what reality is. reality is infinite, so going deeper is the same as going shallower, but from the point of view of a human ego, it's interesting. fascinating. Why would someone, for example, investigate the behavior of insects? or where is the source of the nile? because it fascinates him. Well, Leo and some others have created another type of exploration. Since we cannot go to other planets, and everything on this one is more or less seen, penetrating the depths of consciousness seems like a total challenge for a courious mind

leo says you need 200 trips of 5 meo to start understanding consciousness. If you analyze this sentence, the conclusion is that Leo, as an ego, wants to understand consciousness. It's impossible since it's infinite. this only makes sense to him. it's something he likes, like other egos like to climb eight-thousanders. this is not enlightenment. enlightenment is to stop being an ego, to be constantly open to infinity. Leo doesn't care about that, he can do it with substances whenever he wants. but wants to explore and explore. interesting! Let's see where he arrives. the bad thing is that no one in the world is going to understand what he is talking about, but it is interesting to listen to him. useful? I don't know

@ardacigin thanks for your offer, let's see, and yes, it's about taking off little by little. I do not aspire to live in a psychedelic experience of 5 meo but to live completely free of attachment, of limitations. to live in magic, in no mind. I don't care knowing that the others are imaginary and stuff. I would say that the path includes 3 aspects: daily meditation, several hours, to educate the mind in silence, in the focus of what is. conscious detachment from everything, from the result of actions, from comfort, from future prospects. and psychedelics to deepen and undo all the knots that form the self and completely free yourself on time. As you said, the difference before/after (couple of years) is huge, but it's not enough. The freedom must be total or close

I just tell you my perception because maybe it could open your eyes, as you would do with me or others. Maybe wasn't the moment, after Leo told you his tipical: you are not awake. I'm sorry. I'm feeling walking a tightrope lately.

your case is obvious. You saw Leo's videos and that induced an awakening. real? who knows, maybe autosuggestion, or maybe a mystical experience. it is possible that it was legitimate. and? once, one time, 2 or 3 years ago, and since then with the "enlightened" medal hanging from your chest. This doesn't work like that my friend. It is very common to have a mystical experience. what is not so common is to be a mystic. experiences are conceptualized, corrupted, become beliefs. are you now open to infinity? obviously not. you have a set of ideas and dogmas with which you face life. this is dysfunctional. There is nothing more to see your fight with veganawake for going against the dogma. fossil enlightenment, dead. and with no possibility of resuscitating it since you cling to it as if it were a university degree. Be humble , stop needing to be "enlightened" and open yourself to the living truth. be a student, not a teacher

Yeah, the design is quite sadistic. A hard game, no mercy, a lot of traps, deads ends. We have to play it seriously, using all that we have.

I think i don't understand... anyway, i erase my post, was not constructive and quite stupid

If the depth is infinite, where is the difference between a level or another? None. It's like a game. It is not spirituality, it is psychonautics. legit if you like it. real spirituality imo is aligning your life completely with the absolute, open your energetic channels, stop being an ego, free yourself.

hard to understand. exploration compulsion. We'll see where it leads. waiting for that poem about insanity

Agree, insanity is a relative concept. In an absolute level, there is nothing like sanity/insanity

Infinity means that everything is infinite. Finite is only an appearance. A proton have infinite depth. The limits are just a perception. A finite universe just seems finite, but it's substance is the infinity, and any piece of infinity is the entire infinity. That's why they say reality is a dream. The finite universe is just a dream of god, in the sense of it's just an appearance, a mental construction

What do you mean with conciouss 24/7? There are many levels to be "conciouss" .Could you explain the process that led you to that? what psychedelics? how often? how much meditation? I can free myself completely doing 5meo, but what is the use of being free 5 minutes a month? I want to be free all the time. I want to be a hole to infinity, not a limited ego. It doesn't make any sense to be, there's nothing there that interests me in the slightest. only freedom is worth. Is it possible?

I don't know. Here for me there is a problem with the timeline. you are the absolute void that it is, and you are creating this intricate movie because you want to and you can. for expression, love and play. death is an illusion in the sense that life as you perceive it is too. what you are is neither born nor dies. So saying when you die doesn't make sense because "when" is a creation, a special effect. all reincarnations are now, everything is now. in my opinion, when you die the entire cosmos dies. We all die at the same time. all lives in this universe are simultaneous and end simultaneously, the timeline is a fiction. when your particular movie ends, it's the big blackout, the end of this universe. time to start another work of divine creation I guess. a cosmos of eons and trillions of galaxies is a breath of god. the power of infinity goes beyond any idea. what we are is more than we can imagine. The difficult thing to understand is: why for me the reality i this pov right now? my perception is that what you are is a limiter that limits infinity to your concrete experience, with which it could be said that your pov seems to be the only thing there is because it really is ... but on the other hand this is not the case . I don't know if this can be understood mentally, they say yes, let's see.

In those circumstances I would try to fight. Who knows if help shows up at the last moment, or if I kill a wolf and the others get scared, or whatever. But if I'm old and have terminal cancer, and I've been feeling like it's the end for months, I'd kill myself. or at least I hope I have the courage to do it, and not pathetically continue receiving treatments and generating suffering around me without any hope of recovering

The catastrophe is very common. if you persist in your stupidity, you become more and more stupid. you get older and stop being a promise to be a pathetic adult lost in thoughs, in the mind. full of fear, neurosis and suffering. your relationships are superficial, you live in the mind and there is no depth in your life, just evasion . later you are even older and your health fails and you live in the black terror of death, the black depression of loneliness, despair and anguish. in other words, in hell. So you've lived a life that would have been better left unlived. A catastrophe

all that is true, all addictions, evasions, impurities, must be eliminated. The impulse to serve others has to arise naturally, with your work, your business, your life, whatever. you have to be absolutely fine with yourself without needing to fill your mind with anything. You have to be able to spend days alone and not need to escape. you should not see any content for entertainment or evasion, only if you are really interested. You have to eat perfectly, what is necessary, the best. nothing else. You have to exercise your body so that it is at 100%. why less? but before all this, you must have realized what you are. this is achieved with psychedelics. without them it is very difficult. what you are will guide you on the path of purification and balance, joy and love.

human life is like a difficult game. you have to learn to play, a little every day, and become a master. If you don't, you'll get stuck and wallow in shit more and more until you die. just accept the challenge. Don't do so is a guaranteed catastrophe.

Of course, it's just my impression. We could equally say that the act of committing suicide is precisely what you wanted to experience. And indeed, if you do, it's because you exist to do exactly that. In fact I think that in some circumstances, like terminal disease, it's a perfect way to go out, really brave and elegant

There is a thin line between don't force others and others forcing you. For your family, the best that you could do is to be strong, coherent. An example of integrity. Not a weak man that wants to be nice with everyone and sometimes explode in anger

suicide seems like a bad thing because you, as an existence, as the void that you are, aka god, have chosen to live this experience. with all its nuances, all its content. so, when things get ugly, even horrible, with maximum suffering, als, terminal cancer, whatever....you have chosen that. then, you, the avatar that you really are, should give your all, and endure your ordeal. you want to experience that. you want to be crucified. if you escape... I don't know if it's a punishment, but seems a disappointment.

it is completely realistic. what takes you away from the joy of being is your mind. realize what your mind is, understand in depth how it acts. detach yourself from the mind, and that's it.

The attacks of anger are usually a symptom or manifestation that you subconsciously feel dominated, forced, obligated, to do things, to have a life that is not your choice. They are usually a cry for help asking for freedom. maybe you live in an environment where everything is compulsory, you are corseted, you cannot express yourself, say what you want, do what you want, be you. the remedy is to free yourself and be the master, the boss, the god, the total tyrant of your life down to the last millimeter. then you see no reason for something as dumb as anger. you are sitting on your throne looking benevolently at the world you have conquered. you need a lot of ball, that's true, but what else you could do? be an idiot?

I would say that insanity is the destructuring of reason. you keep reasoning and your mind still has content, but that content is not organized in a structured way, it is chaotic. you are lost and cannot establish cause/effect relationships that work. This leads to more and more confusion, until the mind works in a random way, creating thoughts and emotions without logical structure.

Yes, the thing is not about to listen the voice or be silent, it's about to truly realize that all the mental paraphernalia is nothing. As long as you believe you can understand reality with your mind, it doesn't matter if you discipline yourself to be silent for several hours a day. It will be a tense silence, with subconscious activity in the background. but when you really see the mind for what it is, then even with mental activity you can be in a meditative state, because you don't cling to the mind. you know it's a false grip