Breakingthewall

Well, the relative self is not a concept, it's the absolute límited by concepts. If you remove all the conceptual stuff, all the barriers, the absolute remains. Everything conceptual is not there on a whim, it exists because it has a real basis, if they hit your finger with a hammer it hurts. the configuration of the pattern of existence that we are creates mental structures to avoid further hammer blows. Whoever creates a concept is not another concept, it is the structure that you are, formed by millions of years of evolution. So it's the life who creates a concept, or if you prefer, God

If you look at the beings that exist, I would say that the majority live in a state of great happiness and only suffer at specific moments. Humans suffer much more because we are in a process of accelerated evolution. Humanity evolves in 1000 years than any living being in millions, therefore its suffering is thousands of orders of magnitude greater. But I suppose that there will be many beings with a very high level of happiness, and that humans in the future will reach those levels. the work we are doing is the key

Yes, the relative self can do a lot of things, and have a lot of self control. The relative self is a survival tool, the only problem is that is source of suffering, it is an entity that grows like a cancer, because the exponential evolutionary development of the human mind makes it acquire an enormous size, and with enormous fears and attachments. We are here trying to take the next evolutionary step, the transcendence of the relative self, because we have reached an unbearable point. We are almost all people with a hyperdeveloped relative self, which has led us to a dead end. the trap of the ego, a race of obstacles and suffering that leads to old age and death. wtf? scam. so the rat in the maze frantically looks for the exit

There is the absolute, the existence. You could call it "you"if you want, but it isn't a you because a you is in opposition of what it's not you, and the absolute is the absolute, no more. If you say: I am the absolute, who is saying that is the relative self. Ultimately it's not false, but the absolute don't say: I am the absolute, just is absolute. Only the relative self make definitions

The relative you, yes.

You are not a though, your sense of the self is a sistem of thoughs. It's different, thanks for the correction

I mean with self the one who wants, desires, fears, likes, dislikes, decide, is bored, etc

The human is a puppet of the thought. Millions of humans can run into machine guns shooting for a thought. The thought is the manifestation of the genetic intelligence of a species, it really is the voice of life that forces you to follow a direction. It's pure evolution

I think that You can't decide it. You have no power over your thoughts, since you are your thoughts, you are made up of them. when thoughts cease, the self disappears. the breadth of existence remains. The one who decides what to do with the thoughts is the self, without self no one decides anything. and the self cannot decide not to listen to certain thoughts since the self is a structure created by the mental flow that creates the conceptual bubble, aka the world. your mental world, which drinks from the mental world of those around you, the product of thousands of generations of evolution of the collective mind.

I believe that what we can do, and with extreme difficulty and deep understanding and great courage, is to let go of the conceptual mind. To do this we must really accept death, now, without reservation. The conceptual mind is extremely powerful. Imagine that now your doctor calls you and says: metastasis. What would you do with the thought "metastasis"? How would you handle it? Although that is not going to happen today, the fact that if it would happen it would be irresistible means that you are still (me yes at least) largely in the conceptual mind, at some level. Do not underestimate its power or the depth of its ramifications.

Thoughts have enormous force, there are thoughts that kill and others that give life. The human tide is moved by thoughts. There are thoughts that destroy civilizations, that condemn millions to death or slavery. It is normal that you react to a thought, its basis is the survival of a specie

The conceptual mind is the number one human survival tool. Of course you create the concepts. From the moment you are born you learn them based on an essential instinctive duality: life/death, which in the gregarious human almost always translates into acceptance/rejection, and from there the entire conceptual mind branches, creating a conceptual world with its own life that interacts. with other conceptual worlds, evolving, increasing in complexity and efficiency as a living being because that is what it is even though it is not a material being, serving as support and lending its energy to the collective conceptual ego mind, whose support is language, and which evolves at enormous speed.

Yes but I'm not here saying: the others are this, you are that, god is love and you are love, etc, I'm here doing like a mental excerscise to untangle the conceptual mind

Well, relative is real in some sense, we created the relative conceptual world because it's or way to surviving, so of course, it's real, to say it's false as I said is a mistake, I adopt the spiritual vocabulary, illusion, truth, etc. The thing is that the relative mind, the inner world where everything has a meaning in relation with it's opposite, have to stop just because we get lost in that world. It's not false, but it's limited, so traps you.

@Razard86 Imaginary is just a label. Doesn't mean nothing. For me, all of those are mental handles. change from one paradigm to another. It is much easier to forget any paradigm, to use the mind for material survival, not to make a map of reality. Any map is false, you cannot map what has no limit, you can only immerse yourself. For me, saying anything about reality is automatically putting a barrier between it and me, so ,create relativity, but if for you it works in a different way, it doesn't mean that you are deceived, just a different path. The end of the path is to realize what reality is, and be one with it, the way is indifferent if the destiny is the same

@Razard86 I agree that reality is absolute, therefore, the relative is not real, but I do not need all that mental gymnastics of solipsism, neither of the mind, nor of anything else, it is enough for me to get rid of all the thought that relate one thing to another. The relative is ultimately not real, but it is as if it were real, so it puts you in a relative position and that is what we call being asleep. Awakening is breaking the appearance of relativity and expanding without limit, and in this way, fully realizing what you are. It is an action, not knowing something. It is simply total openness, and for me all those stories about others do not help but are an obstacle. it is easier to forget any idea

@Razard86 All that you say about dreaming, that there are no others, etc., I'm not saying it's not true, but for me it's completely irrelevant, awakening goes through other ways. all you say is knowing things, awakening is abandoning the mind. To say that your mother does not exist, or that your mother does exist, is mind, structure, barrier. It's something relative. and all with "you" in the center. To awaken is to empty the mind completely, to allow existence to be without relativity. absolute flowing. It is not something that can be explained, for the simple reason that it is absolute and any explanation, including solipsism, is relative. relative to you.

If I watch the solipsism video, what I understand is that only my POV is real and that the people I see on the street are just images created by me to distract myself because I get bored and to avoid facing the fact that I am alone. and that I have created Leo to be able to wake up, etc. a series of conceptual assumptions that I see as wrong, but leo would tell me that this is because I am not awake, but obviously Leo doesn't think that, because if he does, he weren't trying to teach anyone. But his way to explain is very unclear, it's difficult to understand him, I don't underestimate him, I don't think he's deceived, I'm sure he's diving very deep , just I'd like that he explains himself clearly, without dark angles. But it's his choice and we have to respect it

the solipsism issue is completely obvious imo, and completely unnecessary. Saying that others don't have POV is a conceptual creation. to say that if they have pov, it is another conceptual creation. If we need to make a conceptual creation, it is better to make one that points to reality than one that is delusional. Conceptually we can clearly see that reality is cyclical. It is divided into cycles of death and birth. Now I am breakingthewall, but obviously in the eternity of existence there will have existed other experiential patterns, in fact, infinite. where are they? in the past? Time is a creation, reality is unlimited, everything is now. Now everything is, and the guys you see on the street are you in another time, in another dimension. It's obvious, you can perceive it directly. Solipsism is true in the sense that you will always be in your now, but that cyclical now will change its structure. When it does, the continuity will disappear, there will be a reset. so, really, there is no you, there is unlimited existence manifested . What you perceive is not a show to make you believe things, and because you're bored, that's stupid. It is the living infinity that reflects itself. Everything is within you and you are within everything. inside and outside are the same, infinity is not linear and solipsism is a toxic , psychotic and silly idea, and over all, it's not necessary to define it in spirituality. Spirituality is to let go the barriers, and realize your true nature. Solipsism is just another conceptual history, same that I said about ciclical existence. Just thoughts.

You have to surrender to the now, so surrender to yourself. It's an act that you really can do, and that is a complete turn in your relationship with existence. Instead of resisting, you go with the flow

Beautiful quote

It is the evolutionary thrust of life that you are. Your mind and the collective human mind are in motion, they tend toward something.

I think it is more normal to live in a state of anesthesia if you are rich, you can go wherever you want, luxuries, etc., than if you have a hard, poorly paid job for years, living poorly, in unsatisfactory relationships. The life of the basic worker seems extremely hard to me, a curse really. I don't understand why being a monk or to live in communes is not a massive option. Maybe if the use psychedelic, they would consider the option

I don't mean that. I would say that the opening you speak of can be called awakening, but not enlightenment. awakening is that you were asleep in the conceptual dream and you have woken up. Me too, permanently, there is no doubt about this. For example, I have spent my entire adult life with ruminative thought loops and since about 4 months ago, when I began to leave the conceptual capsule for longer and longer periods, they have been decreasing until they disappear completely. There is none of that, zero. It was seemingly impossible. but I would not say: im enlightenet, but, now I begin to see. I begin to open to existence. I'm out of jail, awaken. but, this, now, is more than it seems. many orders of magnitude more of perception. This, now, is reality, it is the cosmos, the infinite flow. I'm not talking about qualia, I'm talking about openness to what you are, to immerse yourself in the infinite without any mental reference. You can call that relative, but really, nothing is relative, reality is absolute, and the openness to what you are can be total, mystical ecstasy, deep understanding, being one with God. true enlightenment

I wouldn't say to know , just get free of the need of mental grips. What you are is obvious because you are.