Breakingthewall

Depending of de definition of state. for example could be said that be drunk is a state, be sober another state. But it also could be said that be sober isn't a state, is the real thing, and be drunk, or stone, or of mushrooms are states.

Yes but it's difficult, because you can misunderstand, be superstitious, those things, and obstacles always appear and must be overcome. For example, my experience in business is that at first things flow in an almost mystical way, but then a truly challenging, seemingly insurmountable obstacle appears, and that's where the balance will tip one way or the other. in the current business I'm in, we'll see...so far I'm having moderate luck. analyzing each fluctuation, each movement of the flow, to see if the usual blockage does not appear In my opinion, the key of everything is deep understanding.

Yeah yeah but the op has come here with absolute sincerity and humility, and you answer him condescendingly and being smartass, I agree with @Jowblob that he deserves more respect

Today I saw a guy sitting on the street begging. His face was completely burned, without nose or ears. When I gave him money, he made a grateful noise that indicated that he almost couldn't speak. I thought about trying to communicate with him, but I didn't. I can't imagine his loneliness and his pain. But even in that case it's possible to experience the heaven on earth. very difficult, but possible.

It is very important to read the signs that life sends you, know how to interpret them, and be flexible. the essential thing is to really know what you have to do, where you have to concentrate your strength, and do it. It has to be a total inspiration, without a doubt. and then see if reality is flowing in your direction. everything is a matter of reading reality, rather than strength

@PataFoiFoi my opinion (which may be wrong but since you ask for it I give it) what happens to you is that you have been swimming against the current. You have made the archetype of entrepreneurial success yours, and you have wanted to materialize your ideal, when you have not really looked within yourself to know what your path really is. you have played a game that is not yours and nothing has flowed. My advice is to stop, stop thinking, forget about the future. Look inside, discover who you are. do meditation retreats, whatever it takes, the time that's necessary.

That's speculation and it is something empty and meaningless. If you want to be successful, you don't have to focus on winning over anyone, but on giving your best to contribute in the most positive way possible. As long as you don't have this focus, work will be a curse.

understanding is the key to spirituality. Imagine a teenager who sees the world in terms of being better or worse than everyone else, completely materialistic and superficial. that is his understanding. for him that is the world, but this does not mean that the world is like that. If his understanding increases, he will see that human relationships go deeper, how people mix with others, how a parent's personality affects a child's psyche. He was subjected to all these tides before, but he did not understand it. now he sees, a new dimension opens in him, his mind widens in depth and breadth. maybe later he will understand that the others are him, and how he is creating this multicolored dance at this exact moment. That there is only inside, and outside don't exist even as a concept. this understanding will bring down another wall, and his psyche will once again increase in depth and breadth. the limits are moving away until they disappear. now there are no limits, but he has only begun to understand. each phase of understanding is difficult to overcome, since before the barrier that prevented you from seeing fell, you did not know what you were looking for. maybe you close yourself thinking that you have already understood everything, or that there is nothing to understand. Bullshit, you've only just begun. let's move on, penetrating into the beauty of reality

that is a negative definition of enlightenment which is true, but there is also a positive definition, which is realizing what you really are, for the first time in your human life. In my opinion it is extremely difficult for this to happen without psychedelics, and there is a lot of discussion here and people will soon come to say that this is a hoax, etc. enlightenment is to become infinite, without a trace of any limit, and to recognize yourself as the eternal that always is, what you forgot but it is totally obvious and always was and will be, and after that to realize that the relative in what you live is really the absolute, exactly, without the slightest difference. So I think that it can be said that they are states. as you have explained well, cloudy, limited, and unlimited state. But it's always you, the existence.

I think that everything is a state. your mind is the infinite mind, only in an apparently finite state. all apparent limitations can be broken and access to an infinite state. It is the same mind, it is a different state.

Yeah, we all add layers of fear and repression as we grow up, as we do so surrounded by fear and repression. now the job is to see it, understand it, unravel the knot. It is not easy, field work is often required. If we don't do, our energetic patterns are going to be always unhealthy, and this can cause physical sickness

Id say that for the first time in your adult life you have relaxed control over yourself. As children we add layers of control caused by fear, especially fear of rejection, until we go through life stiff and tense, repressed, without realizing it. without flowing, reaisting. It is incredible that we do not get sick after many years like this. what has happened to you is that for the first time you are free.

Well, If humans wouldn't exist, the suffering of other beings would be quite moderate. most of their time they live in a state of happiness and fulfillment. when they get sick, or are eaten by other animals, they suffer a short time and die. instead humans suffer by default and cause suffering and destruction to everything they touch

Yes of course, same as everyone, but I'm sure that you know it's not something easy that anyone could do at will. in fact, it is extremely difficult, more difficult than anything else. 99.9999% of people will never in their life even come close to a momentary opening, to a mystical experience. it is something extremely rare. What in your specific case is something that occurs spontaneously? ok, millions of circumstances since your birth, or before, have made that happen. if one of them had been different, it would not have happened. so what options are there? psychedelics work, they open the door to the absolute. then it closes. we are pioneers, no one had used psychedelics like this. in the time of ram dass and huxcley there was no 5meo. little nuance right? huge difference. We will see the result of this. what is obvious is that for many it is the only possible way of real openness and understanding. used with true intelligence and intuition we will see where it leads

Man, this is a forum for people who want to go deep, serious spirituality. Why are you trying to turn this into something depressing? go to forchan or some place like that. I find it sad to see the drift of this forum, frustrated people trolling, people posting because are bored, each time lower level.

Why you say that? Just a feeling? Because here we are to explain our assessments. Not just to expell our negativity and our bitterness dirtying conversations and denigrating everyone. That type of people is called toxic, and I would say that you are one. It is a kind of people that should be kept away

yeah man, sorry if i was rude, but I don't see the point in intervening just to annoy

Your previous nickname was batman right? Don't fool yourself, it's not the place, it's you, who tends to negativity. there is a lot of positive in this site, at least it is tried. control your tendency, life is difficult

@Squeekytoy it's sad to read you. When you joined here seems that you have some intelligence, something to give, but after the first layer, there is.... nothing, just a poor guy depressed without any understanding. Please, don't come here to play with the adults, it's not your place.

Ok, if it's like that for you, I believe you, but let's see. For some time now you have been attacking any deviation from what you consider to be correct in spirituality, which is a very classical conception based on the Bahavad Gita and Buddhism, the need to transcend desire, absolute/relative duality, etc. and your attack is: you have not realized the absolute, and I do. You tell it to Leo, you tell it to me, in general to those who go deeper with psychedelics. I repeat what I told you before: you don't understand the psychedelic path. It is not about seeking peak experiences but about understanding what we are. you think that understanding is not necessary or valuable, that it is suffering, as in your case, that leads to the realization of the absolute. ok so maybe instead of using psychedelics i should volunteer for the war in yemen or marry someone with borderline disorder?. no, seriously, with psychedelics, when your intention is to really delve into reality, you realize the absolute. before, you have ridiculed an experience that I told a some time ago in which I did 5 meo 4 times in one day, and 3 were a horrible abyss empty of death, and the fourth, at 4 in the morning, it happened that the infinite opened and the absolute It manifested itself fully. hallelujah etc. You don't understand what this was, otherwise you wouldn't ridicule it. You have to have a more open mind and not assume that others are stupid or deceived. there are smart people here. Leo is sharp and alert to self-deception. I'm not a fool either, others aren't either. This is not easy, it is necessary to be very penetrating. Think that perhaps you have closed yourself off in your version of reality and are not open to understanding other ways. You say the same as others: psychedelics induce peak experiences but I don't know of any cases in which they lead to lasting changes. well, you know me, leo, others here who affirm that yes, they do. Do you think we lie or are deceived? It is your right, but it is frustrating if you repeated it over and over again, especially when it seems that no real attention has been paid to what is being said, but it seems that you have let yourself be carried away by an idea already formed from before.

@Moksha thanks for sharing, you are very honest, how it has to be. if you allow me one more question... why this rejection of the psychedelic? Trust me, you don't understand. Is it maybe your ego getting strong? the psychedelic is a key left to dissolve the limits, to real awakening. you can't imagine what it is. reject it so firmly and even vehemently, without having tried it... think about it. What does this mean? many spiritual teachers do the same as you. Why that conservatism?

The mind must be a certain way, at least for spirituality: free of any limitations. If not, you are going to fool yourself

The "relative" is what existence is. Here, now, this. There is nothing else. The only relative thing is the interpretation, that's false, nothing. Silence your mind and see the movement, the direct experience. That is the absolute, and it's infinite depth. There is no phenomenal vs absolute. There is interpretation vs absolute, and even that, the interpretation is just another movement of the absolute. You are alone, here, now, for the eternity, and that's it. And it's perfection. This is not ego, it's direct understanding.

I am not offended at all, but I perceive a certain distortion in you. Since you are sincere, I will be too. let's see, you say that you realize the absolute and that the absolute is immutable and pure love. ok, I understand that from the silence of the mind, without any obstacle, one realizes the joy of existing and the suffering disappears, since it is something that the ego creates. but tell me, how did you realize your infinite nature? Have you become absolute, infinite, encompassing everything? So, have you realized that everything is inside of you? Are you really aware of what death means? that the entire cosmos is in your mind and there is nothing else? that there is no "outside"? Have you really seen this without psychedelics, or have you read it and integrated it into your idiosyncrasy? Are you sure you're not fooling yourself? because it is extremely easy to delude yourself into thinking that you have realized things that if you are truly honest with yourself, you have conceptually integrated. Your stiffness makes me think that's the case Or maybe your mental suffering has been so great that you deny the mind as if it were something negative, in favor of silence, the only positive thing? both have their place. The mind is a great tool and must be used, but it has to trascend it's limitations, that's all. And please, don't tell me again: when you realize the absolute , you will see. It sounds like a defense.

??yes, but first moksha must break his rejection and prejudice and try to really understand, reading what is said with an open mind, not with the intention of finding points that reaffirm his thesis. But seems impossible. I feel fear and rejection, need to be right and the other wrong, defense against the heretic ?