Breakingthewall

He just kicked you out as a moderator, but you look better in street clothes than in uniform. @RebornConsciousness Sorry if I was stupid before, but what I wanted to say is that the nuances that are discussed are difficult to capture. For me, Leo is correct, and I am grateful that there is someone who is. this matter is extremely subtle, if you want to understand it, you have to have a very open mind. The people he kicked out were really just repeating the same thing over and over again and their comments were destructive and almost never constructive.

It could be said that there is only one certainty: existence exists, and I am. the rest is speculation. You can't know if your car will be in the garage or if the universe will collapse into a black hole in 5 minutes. but you can look within yourself and see that all these are ideas that are within you, that you are the existence that exists and that you are unfathomable

It is quite simple since there is a qualitative difference: pure reason is within your direct experience, therefore reason cannot encompass or define direct experience, it can try making a small sketch that does not mean anything. direct experience is the highest, nothing is above because nothing else exists. therefore your direct experience is the absolute truth

conceptually it is obvious that your pov is not the only one that exists since existence is eternal. If my pov were the only thing, eternity would be a guy with the phone on a terrace with a cafe. in eternity infinite povs have happened. where are they? they are here, now, since infinity is the case. but on the other hand, the absolute reality is me now and everything else is just ideas. that others exist is one idea, that others do not exist is another idea. the unfathomable infinite reality is this current moment and nothing else exists, neither existed nor will exist. that is the absolute truth and anything else is missing the point and fragmenting your mind. we can do it as an exercise in speculation, but it has no value. The truth is this, now.

The thing is that I will never in the eternity of existence leave my point of view, so my pov is the absolute. Inside my pov are the others. do they have the other povs? if they have it, it has to be my pov. How? I don't know, it's irrelevant. The reality is that I am reality and outside of me there is nothing. maybe the others are me in the future, or in the past, or just images. all these are just thoughts. the others are real when I imagine them and disappear when I stop imagining them. think: yes, but they exist when I don't think about them, it's just a thought. It is necessary to differentiate between real and concept. the others are concept, the reality is me. We could focus in the real and go deep or in the concept and walk around. Is the concept false? No, it's just a concept. Are the others real? Conceptually, I'd say yes, but it's jus a concept, it worth nothing in the realizing of the absolute truth.

That is so because your understanding is that of a monkey trying to understand a computer. the normal thing is that you start hitting it while you scream

Yeah, I'd say its correct. The world illusion is to point to something that is deceptive, different from what it seems. you cannot say that a stone is illusion because it really is a mental creation. it is still a stone. but the fact that it seems something foreign to you is an illusion

Of course, life is full of wonders, music, landscapes, magic, power, beauty. That's the first symptom that you are getting deep, but there is more. the ecstasy of existence is normal when you get out of the ego. this is the sober state. once you're here is when the psychedelic game gets interesting.

Yes but the illusion is inside you. In the moment that you think "outside" you are lost, fragmented.

To think that something exists outside of you is to enter into the illusion of the multiple. there is nothing outside of you if you want to understand what you are. "outside" is something impossible, meaningless. you are the absolute, if you are listening to a song, you have made up that song right now. if you see a landscape, you are creating it now. you are not an ego that relates to other egos. you are the absolute total existence. outside of you there is no existence. inside there is infinity. that is the truth and from there you can begin to understand.

Interesting differentiation. I would say that animals will never be able to transcend cognition, since basically that is what they are and without that they would cease to be. On the other hand, humans live in metacognition, and also cognition is largely derived from social relations. This leads to a state of alienation, to live in stories of the mind. This is very unpleasant and the person wants to let it go, but once you settle there it is extremely difficult. if achieved, the person may come to realize that while metacognition is illusory, so is cognition. it's all in his mind. then he changes perspective and realizes that he is the totality of history, there is nothing outside of him, it does not exist outside. he is the reality. After that, it's another step. What is the reality? Why the reality is flowing it the way that it does? What am I?

Yes sure, but just the light is not enough for me ? i want the whole thing. I want to totally understand the existence. The absolute omniscience. The total opening. Happiness is good, but exploration is better! We are men, no kids, let's go to the bottom of the thing

Yes a lot. And about the normal life. but I always have a fighting approach and it sounds very negative. I guess life has steered me in that direction

@michaelcycle00 It is not a matter of playing mind games or fooling yourself with nonsense about love. Anything you tell yourself is nothing more than a placebo. the game is much more difficult and much more challenging than all that. you have to truly transcend the human and all its human things. this is extremely difficult, it is not a easy game and no one can do it for you. your suffering is what gives you the measure of where you have to go, where to deepen, where to understand. You have to be a genius or you lose the game. most people don't even start it so if you've started it better get to the end. For me its meditation 1 hour eery day, zero alcohol, zero toxic relationships, zero entertainment, zero meaningless activities, body in perfect condition, psychedelics every week, constant intention to understand and deepen, cross the surface, understand, undo the enigma. I find it a very interesting challenge and i ve nothing better to do.

more complex, more differentiation. The amoeba can differentiate between hot/cold, and move from one place to another, for example. Higher animals can make millions of subtle differentiations, but their lives are completely tied to the environment in which they live. Not having language, their mental or conceptual constructions are minimal, they live directly, the Garden of Eden, where there is no past or future. we are completely tied to the social environment and we live in the mental construction. We almost always enter a gray, artificial, sterile, false mental landscape. a guy from prehistory would be closer to an elephant than to a modern human. the mind is extremely plastic and evolution is rapid. language and complex social interaction leads us to this. and here we are trying to get out of the trap

Yeah, i know that, I'm not trying to understand with the logical mind, the only real understanding come from the silent, but we translate into words because we like to share. Now you and me are not having a conversation, it's an illusion. There is not you and me. There is only one. It's very difficult to really understand it.

It couldn't be called an ego, an amoeba is a total automaton, it doesn't need to make differentiations. It is not aware of itself. a sardine, a proto minimal ego, a dog, an elephant, a monkey, have an ego. They are very similar to us if we did not have language. Ego is the capacity to make differentiations.

that is a thought, a concept, an idea. Silence your mind, look inside, open yourself to the bottomless space that is. that is reality. there is no other. Other is just ideas.

solipsism is the certainty that you will never, in eternity, leave your point of view, therefore, your point of view is absolute.

everything is a game of evolution. reality goes deeper into itself and for that it needs those unpleasant things that are the lack of love, suffering, hopelessness and evil. we are soldiers and we are here to give it our all, whoever doesn't do it is stupid, he will sink into shit no matter how much he tries to deceive himself

No, an ant colony is a single individual created by many separate parts. ants are like the cells of a human body, not like many humans forming a tribe

Animals have egos in the sense that they consider themselves a separate entity struggling to survive. that is, they have individual ego. but they do not have a collective ego, which is the one that most absorbs us humans. it is the ego transmitted by language and which focuses on social relationships. this is because a dog is an individual and a human is not. a human is a part/whole of a hive organism and their mind is connected to the hive mind. All the human effort to survive is aimed at social acceptance. the human without the tribe is a larva, he is dead. the collective ego is a highly variable entity. it can span a clan or billions. each individual carries within himself a part and together they constitute the entity, like serial computers. That's why it's so complicated to be human and so easy to be a dog

The absolute is Maya. the understanding of reality is silent, not conceptual. for example, understanding the infinity of this exact moment. or understand that maya is a creation of your mind. I, that is, you, am reality. there is no maya vs absolute. I am not talking about healing trauma, but about using it to transcend illusion. the illusion is not the form, it is the meaning that is given to the form. this meaning is what separates us, what binds us to the mind. But there is more than the meaning, there is the human bondage, this is real, and trascend it is possible. This is the real challenge understanding is to realize that you are a construction in infinity made by layers and layers of energetic patterns that are being executed at this moment. all the past, everything that conforms you, is running now. To understand this is the challenge, and I'd say it's almost impossible without psychedelics

@Squeekytoy if Jed mackenna didn't realize that the relative is the absolute, and that he's both of them, where did he arrives after so much spiritual work?

If he said that, he's completely wrong. Maya is me, and I can fully understand myself. Just give me time. He's talking in a relative sense and shows his understanding is very superficial