Breakingthewall

@Holykael everything you say is nonsense. reality is not conceptual, it is direct, now. immerse yourself in it and stop thinking nonsense

Yes, I understand your point, but it's very easy to get lost in mental images. If you say that God is a human, all our definitions of human are going to come and the will be contrasted with everything else , with you in the center. That is why we go around and around the matter, to break the false appearance, but behind it there is another false appearance, and so on. it is a matter of understanding how the mind creates the illusion of the self in order to get out of the cage.

There is nothing behind, everything is here, only that the trees cover the forest, and yes, you are all of it, but a you that is not a you, is the unlimited reality that in its apparent limitation produces a you, so the same as the trees, the you doesn't let you see yourself.

when people say : god is dreaming reality. It seems that God is sitting there, doing one thing, dreaming, and as a result of that action we have: reality! subject, action and result. maybe a bit simplistic? anthropomorphized? god is reality. reality without manifesting itself as a defined pattern is still totally real, it is the total absolute infinity, it is the unlimited, and there is nothing boring, bad, intimidating about it. what happens is that reality likes to express itself in more and more complex patterns simply because it can and because it likes to. because its is dancing with itself a dance of infinite joy. this, now, is infinity. this, now, is all. There is no god behind, you are here, dancing an eternal dance. Or better: an eternal dance is happening, and you are here because that

Hey don't get so angry ???. You miss a point. survival is a game created for evolution. survival does not need evolution. bacteria have not evolved and survive better than you. evolution has the goal of increasing in complexity and conciousness, that's why the game of survival is created. is this too hard to understand? ok, I understand, but don't get angry and start your hysterical behavior, control yourself.

Your ego is not only about your survival. It's also about survival and the evolution of humanity as a whole. If it was just survival instinct like a rat, it would be very simple. but it is extremely complex because we do not function as individuals, we do so as part of a collective. language creates a matrix that acquires a life of its own and evolves. what would you be without language? without having learned to speak or read? an animal, you can't even imagine. something very far from what you are because the contact with the collective matrix absorbs you and teaches you to process in a certain way. all this learning is backed by a system of emotional reward and punishment created in hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. the ego is the product of the collective matrix that you replicate in your individual mind, and that is not about survival but about acceptance and rejection, which at a subconscious level are translated as life and death but are not really. you can free yourself from the ego, it's just a software that forces you to follow the human evolutionary rhythm. You can also give it its place, act partly according to its dictates, but knowing what it is and accepting it. if you don't understand it, you are a puppet

You are the infinite adopting a defined pattern of existence that we call human life in which there are a series of rules, such as the existence of psychedelics and the fact that if you are leo gura and take a lot you end up with something you call: alien consciousness, but all that is within the human pattern

there was no void, there is an absence of limits, now. because there is only now, there is no past, since there is no beginning, nor a process. now there are no limits, then, infinity is. thinking about this is extremely strange.... then, this infinity was created because....no. the infinite is, now, and that is existence. There never was anything else because there is no "there was". now the infinite is. and since it is infinite, it is everything. its quality is positive, as it is. as it is, it is love, bacause be=love. it is a bottomless well of love that loves itself, perfect happiness, without a stain. limitless intelligence. Brilliant glory without the slightest tint to dull it. you are infinite mysterious, deep and total. nothing can be better because, given your infinitude, you are absolutely perfect.

You are human, so your alien consciousness is human. Maybe you could call it maximum psychedelic awakening, because there are no aliens here at the moment

Sounds like a good adventure. Let's do the work here as deep as possible and let's see what's next. Anyway, there is no next, just illusion of happening. Infinite depth appearing as beautiful constructions.

Yes, but as I said above, this is not the end, is just the beggining. Well, now you have dissolved the separated self and you don't live in the nightmare of the ego, you really identify with reality. No center, openess, you can be in total silence, bliss, etc. but this is still limited because you can't perceive what you really are. by doing 5meo you can reach a seemingly infinite state that is still limited. For the total opening to occur, you have to insist, the void is the last frontier. when the absolute total infinity manifests in you, it is the total openness. everything, infinity . the infinite source flowing, and you recognize yourself as existence, but also existence manifests itself in its divine character, the flow of love that flows for the fact that it's not bottom, with the force of a jet stream. And infinite explosion that happens infinitely and it's manifestation is this reality that we are experiencing. and this in my opinion is just scratching the surface, just a glimpse of what it is possible to realize, to be.

@Water by the River ok, then full enlightenment is the complete dissolution of individuality and identification with absolute reality without limit. and according to you that eliminates suffering. Ok, agree (with suffering let's say, minimize it). let's see, you give great importance to thought, and you focus the process of enlightenment on mastering and understanding the source of thought. Maybe it's necessary without psychedelics. the source of thought is obvious: reality, like everything else. it is not necessary to stop the thought but to see through it, understanding what the thought is, and paying no attention to it. dissolve individuality completely and identify with infinity, ok, let's call it enlightenment. It is not the end of the matter, it is the beginning. Before to this point you are insane and your life is a nightmare. after this point, freedom begins, you flow and understand. but the reality of what you are is unlimited, as you will perceive if you have really transcended the limits, then you will see the need to explore, to go deeper. Do you understand the pattern of existence that it means to be a human? the layers of code that make up this experience, what are they? everything opens, unfolds, and psychedelics are the key. psychedelics are a key into the code that this experience is. They are nothing foreign to you, they are you. and you don't use them? impossible. Limited. But of course, anyone have their preferences, and no one is the good one

What is full enlightenment? Could you describe?

Permanent damage? For example?

@Water by the River The question would be: Are you completely free of Buddhism and cite it as an interesting curiosity after having those realizations yourself, or is your mind subtly attached to it? the mind is very reluctant to let go. Are you able to really open up to reality, without any expectations? So you can have the hobby of reading Buddhism or whatever and contrasting it, but if Buddhism conditions your mind, then it's toxic.

It seems that there are as many definitions of awakening as there are people. for my awakening it is the rupture of the appearance of finitude. reality is no longer perceived as flat and manifests itself as depth without limit. in that depth is everything, and that is what you are. from here the real understanding can start, the verbal logical mind is recognized as the limited software that it is, the energetic limitations begin to dissolve, and you begin to flow as the reality that you are. not being awake is limitation and stupidity, it is necessary to wake up as deep as one can.

Yeah, reality is the maximum wonder, the ultimate glory, the bottomless life

if reality had no purpose, it would be an undifferentiated infinite hole. open yourself completely to what reality is and you will see what it is: a dance of love. reality is the glory of existence loving itself and for this it manifests itself exactly as it does. It is not a game or a hoax, it is love flowing from infinity, dancing with itself.

Saying that I see that your understanding about reality is low. Infinitely selfish because is infinite will. reality is not chaos, it is perfect order, a tendency towards more complexity, more conciousness, more creativity. beauty, dance. God seeks love with infinite selfishness because it's is in love with itself

I'm not inventing or doing mental processes, just observing myself and drawing conclusions. Thats your narrative, that is the most widespread. It is exactly what leo says: God is infinitely selfless and allows everything. i say: bullshit. God is selfish and only allows what serves a purpose. the divine work has a definite direction

God goes towards self-awareness, he does not hide himself on purpose, he hides himself because he cannot at the same time be a rat with a rat's life and be aware of infinity, and he wants to be a rat, a worm, etc, because all is evolution, god is creating itself as reality in that way. we are aiming for higher consciousness because it is where reality points , if not it would be impossible

@Jowblob anyway, Since you give me possibly useful advice, I'll give you another: don't give in to your fear. All that stuff about the void is very intimidating, terrifying rather. you have to come back again and again. If something scares you, that's where you should hit. going on a deep trip and conceptualizing it for a whole year is a mistake, I say this from experience. there is no need to procrastinate, we have to breakthrough, again and again.

maybe what you say is true and until now listening to teachers has seemed toxic to me, mental contamination, but at a given moment it would be wise to listen to them. Let's see.

what that guy says doesn't matter to me, any idea is limitation. There comes a point where you have to forget any idea, yogananda, leo and everyone. Only your intuition can guide you, and mine says: open up to rhe now, understand at a deep level, free yourself from all limits. Nobody is enlightened, nobody did this work before me. Nobody even exist. Everything depends on me. Just me can do the thing. The reality must be opened.

that's what you think. What I believe is that this is a natural evolutionary process, and only those who are prepared for it will make the cut. There is nothing mystical about it. or rather, absolutely everything is mystical. understanding is the key, whether it is predestined or not is none of my business, my job is to dig deeper and avoid deception. nothing is guaranteed, just my drive to get the work done