Breakingthewall

Yes, the total opening is something that happens or not. The unthinkable may never be revealed. It is somewhat difficult to understand, what we do is try to understand the barriers that prevent this, the engineering that is the self, how it closes the reality, in order to soften it and that the opening can occur

@davecraw It is obvious that I exist and that I am having a perspective, so I think that when I see others, they obviously have other perspectives, but the only reality is my perspective, the now. This does not mean that there are not others, I am sure that there are, but this is an idea that is occurring in the now. In the end, my perspective is reality, and the things that come up in my perspective, like those ideas, are just movements of reality. I will never get out of my perspective, therefore, that is the reality. we can speculate conceptually what is the structure of reality, of perspectives, of infinity. This is fun, maybe necessary. but first you have to abandon this need and focus only on the opening to existence now. if the time comes when this is complete and stable, then we'll see what can be known

I would say that the matter is simple and at the same time extremely difficult. it is about clearing this experience of the karmic and allowing a complete opening. Why? because the karmic, at the end, is basically suffering. Not because it's unpleasant, just because it's a veil. One would say that it is a configuration of reality designed to evolve in this sense, but this is complicating things. I don't know the purpose of this and for now I don't pretend to know, I only pretend to clear the view. It is one thing to say what I have just said, and quite another to actually see it, and quite another, much more difficult, to do it, or allow it to happen. Any help will be welcome, and if the drugs are there, it would be absurd not to take advantage of them. rather unthinkable. This is serious and difficult work, and if we start with fears and prejudices, bad business. the goal is not to see the deceit as you have said, it is to realize the truth, and seeing the deceit is a means to it. the truth is revealed by itself to itself, we are talking about something extremely difficult, something that many have tried very seriously and has not happened in most cases, it's not an easy path. Here we have to go with everything.

5 meo is not just for realizations, It is a process that makes you reconfigure your energy structure. pure magic.

Interesting. if you do that, is it a long trip? That's changa, right?

200 mg of 20X is a big shot. did you do it with a bong? Are you sure you smoked everything?

I have realized the absolute, or rather, I have become absolute with 5 meo only 3 times and it has been short-lived, since all my psychic construction rebels against it. it is something that happens by force with a drug. the absolute is without limit, and being without limit reveals itself as everything. I have done many more trips with 5 meo and mushrooms, in which I have seen the absolute. this is different. I, the construction, the energetic pattern that is now, on the verge of dissolution realizing the bottomless void that is existence that is absolute potential, but there is still duality . Lately i got that state also being sober or with 2 puffs of weed. The work for me is to stay at that point without escaping in horror, to educate myself to let go, to accept the absolute, in order to have long realizations. It's a long process for me, you need to completely restructure the psyche. For Leo, perhaps it is something easy, for others it is impossible, for others it is difficult. It doesn't matter, I know I have to do what I'm doing

Thats a thought that can point a truth or not. I think we have to realize the absolute thoroughly, frequently. there is 5 meo, meditation, whatever. Those of us who have this tendency have to go without fear and directly to it regardless of the medium. later, we will see what thoughts do, where they lead and if we can keep a good balance.

Good point. any thought is relative, that is, it relates one thing to another and therefore separates. an absolute thought is a non-thought. but the fact is that the act of thinking is the absolute thinking, therefore, the absolute wants to think and wants to think in more expanded ways. the point is not to confuse what thought defines with the truth, since the truth is indefinable. as you say, it is the absolute realizing itself. then the thoughts come. thoughts will try to capture reality, since this is a way of the absolute to understand itself. one must see how far thought can go if the absolute realizes itself in a habitual way

Thought does not have to be associated with language or logic. equating thought with language is a mistake. thinking is processing, language is a basic processing tool. true thought is a silent mental process, and language is the primitive manifestation of those processes. thought is understanding. Bacteria understand nothing, dogs understand something, humans can understand much more. Everything?. thought is not conceptual, nor is it entirely memory. in fact, memory is something that is happening now. All this that I am saying are thoughts, but they are not articulated as a result of an analysis made at a verbal level, but by direct comprehension. This understanding is more or less deep, but it is direct, not the result of a self-dissertation of hours with logical additions and subtractions.

there is something that happens with the 5meos, is that they cause a great energetic expansion. If you do not allow that expansion to happen, it is as if it remains blocked. once I did 5meo and that happened to me, I had great pain in my fingers and toes and for 2 days I had muscle spasms in my legs. One night I couldn't sleep from the continuous spasms, I concentrated on it, let it out, I had 4 or 5 powerful energy discharges, several seconds each. automatically the spasms completely disappeared

I don't think he means survival, obviously though is extremely useful to survive. Yes, agree, What I was saying is that perhaps mental activity, thought, can expand, equalize with the unlimited and function on that frequency. when you access unlimited states it is because you have gotten rid of the barriers that thought creates, but something else. it is an energetic expansion, not only mental. a dog does not think but does not access states of mystical ecstasy. then, once those states are normal for you, perhaps you can configure your thought activity. after all, as humans we are the absolute thinking. it seems that the absolute wants to think. all these are thoughts, of course

that is the dilemma. thought is an obstacle but at the same time, something tells me that it can be used to understand reality, that the mind can be reconfigured and expanded, that's why we can think.

??? Sure, to hang out with the cool kids in class. Apart from those pimps, I see that just below, very close, is what I'm looking for. I have already seen it , I want to see it more, completely, the unthinkable. we will see

Ha, but you answered But here.... Of course, you are right. But what is it? Are you here and now open, without limitations? It is what is, of course. No, you are right, it's all mental garbage, but it's extremely difficult to open up to the abyss of existence and not make stories. it's addictive. I try to take my mental processes along "clean" paths, that is, understanding what is relative, but it is difficult to draw the line

If we want to open ourselves to the now, we must leave behind the need to conceptualize, to understand with the logical mind. It is an acquired habit that is very difficult to leave, the logical mind needs to hold on to everything, dissect it. It can't, it's an obstacle. the only thing that the logical mind must understand is that reality is not logical, therefore, it cannot capture reality. works in one dimension and reality is in another. There is nothing to do

Well said, great message. is something that must be internalized. the conceptual mind is cunning and always wants to take control, it always finds how

what is spiritual work for you? is something? what do you want? do you do psychedelics? meditation? Is your openness to infinity or has it been real, complete?

@Bazooka Jesus so what about you?

what I want is to make my finite conceptual mind so flexible that it allows the opening to infinity on a daily basis. I have gone from a rigid mind, to a mind capable of doing psychedelics, and lately to openness to infinity in a sober state. maybe I'm wrong, since all this is very subjective, but I perceive the finite mind as a prison. I have the undoubted need to get out of it. Every minute of the mental process is aimed at making the mind more flexible, allowing it to open up. I understand that this is dangerous, since after opening yourself to infinity, the mind begins to create structures. the psychedelic path is subtle, you have to be careful not to get confused and conceptualize. The goal is not to create a mental framework that is understanding itself, it is to create a mental framework that allows for openness, which is being and understanding.

the mind with which you are thinking is the relative mind. It works by putting some things in relation to others. it is limited, therefore it cannot understand the unlimited. you have to break the limits of your mind to understand, that is, to become infinite. which I try all the time. when you are infinite, being=understanding, because there is no such thing as you understanding something, there is infinity, and it is not translatable to the finite mind. is another frequency. Moksha is right when he says that you should discard your thoughts as invalid. what moksha and bazooka do not understand is that I do not use thoughts to define reality, I use them to soften the barrier of the finite and become infinite. I also use drugs for it. why do I do this? because it is reality

@Bazooka Jesus As bazooka said, you can't understand the infinity, you just can be the infinity, but be is understand.

How do you know that? how far have you come? how? you can explain? It is true that from the finite mind it cannot be understood, what is tried is to expand that mind to infinity. btw, I continue with my little war with 5 meo. this time, rupture to the absolute total. It is not that I have seen the absolute, it is that I have been the absolute, without a trace of me. It has been: infinite emptiness, nothing. I already know this experience. nothing. This is the last frontier, now if I do it again it opens up. that's all. it takes a lot of courage since the experience of being absolutely empty is terrible. It is the most unnatural, the strangest possible. is to violate the gates of enlightenment and receive the stick. This is what I mean by understanding. what is existence? Lets see tomorrow. I want to become absolute without fear and problem and I'm going to do. Empty or full is the same, the thing is to become absolute, break the limits totally.

It's not the same to know or to understand. You cannot know infinity, but we will see to what extent it can be understood. You have said before that differences between first order reality, THIS, as you have said, and second order reality, thoughts that arise in this, which are real insofar as they exist but not in their content. that is an understanding. Do you think that is the final understanding of reality?

I don't know if it exists or not, i meant that the mystics of any time elaborated concepts according to their perceptions. It is one thing to open up to the absolute, and another to try to understand what this trip is, the existence in which we are. I don't remotely understand it but I think it's legitimate to do so, and probably possible.