Breakingthewall

Thoughts have enormous force, there are thoughts that kill and others that give life. The human tide is moved by thoughts. There are thoughts that destroy civilizations, that condemn millions to death or slavery. It is normal that you react to a thought, its basis is the survival of a specie

The conceptual mind is the number one human survival tool. Of course you create the concepts. From the moment you are born you learn them based on an essential instinctive duality: life/death, which in the gregarious human almost always translates into acceptance/rejection, and from there the entire conceptual mind branches, creating a conceptual world with its own life that interacts. with other conceptual worlds, evolving, increasing in complexity and efficiency as a living being because that is what it is even though it is not a material being, serving as support and lending its energy to the collective conceptual ego mind, whose support is language, and which evolves at enormous speed.

Yes but I'm not here saying: the others are this, you are that, god is love and you are love, etc, I'm here doing like a mental excerscise to untangle the conceptual mind

Well, relative is real in some sense, we created the relative conceptual world because it's or way to surviving, so of course, it's real, to say it's false as I said is a mistake, I adopt the spiritual vocabulary, illusion, truth, etc. The thing is that the relative mind, the inner world where everything has a meaning in relation with it's opposite, have to stop just because we get lost in that world. It's not false, but it's limited, so traps you.

@Razard86 Imaginary is just a label. Doesn't mean nothing. For me, all of those are mental handles. change from one paradigm to another. It is much easier to forget any paradigm, to use the mind for material survival, not to make a map of reality. Any map is false, you cannot map what has no limit, you can only immerse yourself. For me, saying anything about reality is automatically putting a barrier between it and me, so ,create relativity, but if for you it works in a different way, it doesn't mean that you are deceived, just a different path. The end of the path is to realize what reality is, and be one with it, the way is indifferent if the destiny is the same

@Razard86 I agree that reality is absolute, therefore, the relative is not real, but I do not need all that mental gymnastics of solipsism, neither of the mind, nor of anything else, it is enough for me to get rid of all the thought that relate one thing to another. The relative is ultimately not real, but it is as if it were real, so it puts you in a relative position and that is what we call being asleep. Awakening is breaking the appearance of relativity and expanding without limit, and in this way, fully realizing what you are. It is an action, not knowing something. It is simply total openness, and for me all those stories about others do not help but are an obstacle. it is easier to forget any idea

@Razard86 All that you say about dreaming, that there are no others, etc., I'm not saying it's not true, but for me it's completely irrelevant, awakening goes through other ways. all you say is knowing things, awakening is abandoning the mind. To say that your mother does not exist, or that your mother does exist, is mind, structure, barrier. It's something relative. and all with "you" in the center. To awaken is to empty the mind completely, to allow existence to be without relativity. absolute flowing. It is not something that can be explained, for the simple reason that it is absolute and any explanation, including solipsism, is relative. relative to you.

If I watch the solipsism video, what I understand is that only my POV is real and that the people I see on the street are just images created by me to distract myself because I get bored and to avoid facing the fact that I am alone. and that I have created Leo to be able to wake up, etc. a series of conceptual assumptions that I see as wrong, but leo would tell me that this is because I am not awake, but obviously Leo doesn't think that, because if he does, he weren't trying to teach anyone. But his way to explain is very unclear, it's difficult to understand him, I don't underestimate him, I don't think he's deceived, I'm sure he's diving very deep , just I'd like that he explains himself clearly, without dark angles. But it's his choice and we have to respect it

the solipsism issue is completely obvious imo, and completely unnecessary. Saying that others don't have POV is a conceptual creation. to say that if they have pov, it is another conceptual creation. If we need to make a conceptual creation, it is better to make one that points to reality than one that is delusional. Conceptually we can clearly see that reality is cyclical. It is divided into cycles of death and birth. Now I am breakingthewall, but obviously in the eternity of existence there will have existed other experiential patterns, in fact, infinite. where are they? in the past? Time is a creation, reality is unlimited, everything is now. Now everything is, and the guys you see on the street are you in another time, in another dimension. It's obvious, you can perceive it directly. Solipsism is true in the sense that you will always be in your now, but that cyclical now will change its structure. When it does, the continuity will disappear, there will be a reset. so, really, there is no you, there is unlimited existence manifested . What you perceive is not a show to make you believe things, and because you're bored, that's stupid. It is the living infinity that reflects itself. Everything is within you and you are within everything. inside and outside are the same, infinity is not linear and solipsism is a toxic , psychotic and silly idea, and over all, it's not necessary to define it in spirituality. Spirituality is to let go the barriers, and realize your true nature. Solipsism is just another conceptual history, same that I said about ciclical existence. Just thoughts.

You have to surrender to the now, so surrender to yourself. It's an act that you really can do, and that is a complete turn in your relationship with existence. Instead of resisting, you go with the flow

Beautiful quote

It is the evolutionary thrust of life that you are. Your mind and the collective human mind are in motion, they tend toward something.

I think it is more normal to live in a state of anesthesia if you are rich, you can go wherever you want, luxuries, etc., than if you have a hard, poorly paid job for years, living poorly, in unsatisfactory relationships. The life of the basic worker seems extremely hard to me, a curse really. I don't understand why being a monk or to live in communes is not a massive option. Maybe if the use psychedelic, they would consider the option

I don't mean that. I would say that the opening you speak of can be called awakening, but not enlightenment. awakening is that you were asleep in the conceptual dream and you have woken up. Me too, permanently, there is no doubt about this. For example, I have spent my entire adult life with ruminative thought loops and since about 4 months ago, when I began to leave the conceptual capsule for longer and longer periods, they have been decreasing until they disappear completely. There is none of that, zero. It was seemingly impossible. but I would not say: im enlightenet, but, now I begin to see. I begin to open to existence. I'm out of jail, awaken. but, this, now, is more than it seems. many orders of magnitude more of perception. This, now, is reality, it is the cosmos, the infinite flow. I'm not talking about qualia, I'm talking about openness to what you are, to immerse yourself in the infinite without any mental reference. You can call that relative, but really, nothing is relative, reality is absolute, and the openness to what you are can be total, mystical ecstasy, deep understanding, being one with God. true enlightenment

I wouldn't say to know , just get free of the need of mental grips. What you are is obvious because you are.

Are you experiencing the infinity now? Do you think that your actual level of consciousness is everything what is possible? I assure you that no. Your pov is limited, you could see much more deeper, until infinite deep, that's mysticism.

Agree, I would call this the first step in spirituality, not enlightenment, because enlightenment sounds like an end. What you are saying is that you have been able to get rid of the conceptual mind. that you are open to experience now, constantly. I am too. But I still continue meditating and doing psychedelics, for a reason. The point you are at, where you realize what you are, is the beginning of a much deeper vision. The only motivation to go deeper is beauty. It's not necessary, but it's beautiful. What we are is magical, immeasurable. I am not talking about interpretation, but about direct realization.

Christianity is an advanced interpretation of reality, especially taking into account the time, the thing is that it is still a religion. That is, it tells you things and you must believe them. Buddhism is another level, it gives you clues so that you realize reality and when a guy appears explaining interesting realizations, instead of burning him for being a heretic, they take him as an object of study

@Fountainbleu . Life is better in every way from an awakened state. Before that, you needed hundreds of evasion strategies to face life, since it was not really possible to face death. We really live in a psychotic state, that is why it is said that enlightenment is the end of suffering, because it is the end of resistence to the now. Furthermore, from an awake/open/enlightened state, there is inspiration, one knows which path to follow, where to rectify. You direct the path because you are one with reality, you flow, and wherever that takes you is where you were meant to go.

That whole thing about: what you dream at night is the same as waking reality, or thinking that others don't have a POV, is the same as if you think, for example, that there are no other stars besides the sun. Well, you can think that if you want. What difference does it make? where does it take you? The issue goes another way, it is to separate yourself from the conceptual flow, not change its content. You have to understand what the conceptual flow is, and let go of it. thinking: others do not have pov, it is conceptual flow, exactly the same as thinking: others have pov. there is no difference

All of these are conceptual stories that have not the slightest relevance to the issue of spirituality. the same as solipsism and everything that people absorb from Leo's teachings. The only thing you're going to get out of that line of thinking is confusion and making crazy speeches to your friends.

Exactly. That is for me step one, being able to fully open yourself to the total empty existence, without the slightest interpretation, the final reality, the infinite void, the total well that existence is now. For example, today I did nn dmt, simply out of boredom, I admit?, 50 mg vaped in two tines, very unpleasant for the lungs. The effect is exactly the same as 5meo without the slightest difference, in fact I thought if I confused the substance, and similar than LSD, weed, meditation, and walking down the street. total void opening. nothing to grab, absence of limits. Really, nothing especially interesting anymore, I experience the same without psychedelic: unlimited existence but after this there is much more to see. The entire reality, each moment of existence, is mystical flow, it is the cosmos happening. Penetrating this, seeing what this moment is, this reality that is developing, is much more than realizing the essence of reality, it is realizing God. That's why I think there is more in what @Leo Gura is saying that we can get. Just because he explains it extremely bad, seems that he tries to be confusing. But it doesn't mean that he's crazy, there is much more than what is being showed, or I hope that

You can't know that, is impossible that you know his realizations, as it's impossible for me to know yours. I just can imagine more or less what is in your mind with a huge margin of error. He is making you see a side of yourself: the need to think that others are deceived. In the link he posted you approve that quote from a Buddhist, you say that this guy has it. So why is Buddhism deception? Buddhism is very broad, it is not dogma, it cannot be all deception. There is a clear orientation to see the negative in others, rather than the positive. Obviously the negative exists, and if you focus completely on it...voila! you are above. but what do you achieve with that? Getting approval from you, even minimum, is more difficult than remove a tooth with pliers without anesthesia. Everything is a debate with destructive attitude. Imo would be much better to convince showing your higher realizations than putting down the others

A brief explanation would be great

@Osaid could you define enlightenment? Since you claim to be enlightened, could you describe as precisely as possible what exactly this is for you. For me, awakening, or enlightenment, or whatever we want to call it, is something that may not be the same for others. It is total openness to the now. The conceptual mind closes you to the now by creating an image of yourself and compartmentalizing reality in order to manipulate it. a very practical human function. Once you manage, after great effort and practice, to get out of there, you are open to reality. but there are degrees of depth, of clarity, of perception. you can go very deep. because you are reality, really. Now, the infinite reality is, the cosmos is blooming and branching, dancing, and you are that. happiness! adventure! unlimited depth. Anyone think this is silly, that reality is flat? that there are no levels? Reality is a well of unfathomable depth, and what Leo affirms perhaps it is one more level in the depth of this well, or not... since here few bother to explain clearly what their realizations are and they remain at: I am enlightened. reality is love. etc a little more detail would be appreciated