Breakingthewall

How many Hamas militants will be captured? how to identify them? probably few. The destruction of Gaza is an operation of revenge, which is exactly what Hamas seeks, to make the world see the evil of Israel. In the end, Hamas wins. It is not a problem of morality, but of meeting objectives. Hamas' objectives are met, Israel's are not. The world will forget the killings in the kibbutzs in comparison with the disaster in Gaza What do you think of expansionism in the West Bank? What would be the solution to that problem?

The problem is that if Israel wants to do that, it would have to destroy all the buildings in Gaza, or a large proportion. For them, the inhabitants must be evacuated, where will they go? An exit would have to be enabled for the refugees. How to differentiate the civilian population from the Hamas militiamen among these refugees? Hamas is not interested in direct combat, only terrorist actions . They will be hidden among the population. So, what will be the level of success of this operation?

Yes, an intolerable level of injustice and abuse, which the US unconditionally supports, and which causes humiliation to all Muslims in the world and leads to the radicalization of Islamic countries. American foreign policy is one of great evil. There is only one objective, profit, and fuck the rest. As Nuland said, fuck Europe, and she could also say, fuck everyone except us. That's the philosophy of USA. US has been a positive influence and is a great country but more and more he seems like an obese child who wants all the candy for himself, with absolutely nothing else on his mind.

Because deep down, the Israelis, with some exceptions, are Zionists, and they want "the great Israel" that is, all of Palestine, the biblical limits. because you think they have never accepted the two-state solution and have almost never dismantled settlements. If they do, a mass of Hamas-level fanatics will arise, but Jews who think that their divine mission is the expansion of Israel. There are guys like that within the government. they are crazy, that's why there is a war. It's not a war for resources like Ukrainia, it's a war for tribal identities, religious craziness

Thats impossible That's the only possible solution, but it's also impossible, sadly

Yes, it is clear that you are on Israel's team because it is your side, so everything Israel does is fine, and when they repeat here 80 times the issue of expansion in the West Bank, you tiptoe over it, since it is not convenient to maintain your line of thought, you do not investigate it, you are not interested in that. You only focus on Hamas murders, and because of them you see it as justified to cut off electricity and medicines in a hospital. well, it's typical, this is why the world is the way it is

You can condemn the actions of Hamas and at the same time condemn the fact of cutting off electricity, water and medicine in a big city. If Israel were not being watched, we would see what treatment the "human animals" would receive.

Exactly ,It's as simple as that. But if an Israeli political party has that in its program, what electoral results do you think it will have? much worse than if it is extreme right with members who look to the Bible to establish future borders. and US supports this unconditionally. So it's normal that there is war.

It seems incredible to me that being right-wing makes you see Israeli colonialism as legitimate. Isn't there a single right-wing person in the world who sees the abuse that the systematic occupation of another nation's lands entails? I mean the settlements in West bank It seems that the thing is: I am right-wing, to be right-wing is to be pro-Israel, so I am pro-Israel. Since I am pro Israeli, everything Israel does is good. The wonderful thing is that they can dress themselves, have a job, drive. You would say that they are mentally retarded, but no...they are just completely dishonest. Everything mine is good, everything yours is bad. disgusting

I thought the word "awake" was prohibited in this section of the forum ?

?I didn't thought you was Jew, I agree with what you say, but what they are doing with Palestine is psychopathic. They are cornering and humiliating them. They should consider them equal humans, recognize them as a state and nation, give them their territory and stop stealing from them, and if Palestine continues to bother them later, we would see, but now they do not have morality on their side, they are bullies, criminals. They are bringing Jews from all over the world to populate the West Bank. What should Palestine do? They need a Gandhi, but the Palestinians are not too smart it seems, but not being smart does not mean that they have the right to erase you from the map as a nation, make you a second-class citizen and expel you from your land. It's very difficult because Israel isn't going to leave west bank, there are religious reasons, sacred land, etc. Insanity.

@Lila9 Yes, the actions of Hamas are horrible and deserve everyone's condemnation, and it would be good if all of Hamas disappeared, this is one thing, and another thing is that Israel has been committing abuse, acts of war, racism and colonialism against Palestine from decades. Both are true. Where I said that I agree with the attack? I only pointed out the intolerable colonialist abuse that Israel commits towards Palestine.

It is not an opinion, it is a fact. Israel has 621 thousand settlers in the territory of the West Bank and continues to expand it. 200 thousand are in a zone prohibited by international law, this fact is defined as a war crime. There are far-right politicians in the Israeli government who promote the greater Israel, that is, all the territory for them, none for the Palestinians, who have a different status than the Israelis. different is obviously inferior. Should the Palestinians see how Israel is taking over their territory?

You are wrong. Israel is entering the borders of another nation, which it does not recognize, to stole its territory. If Israel did not do that, and recognized Palestine as a nation, then morality would be on its side, but if it continues to expand within the borders of another nation, no. You can say that since they attacked him in 1970, then now, in 2023, I take away your lands, but it doesn't make much sense. If he stops stealing land, returns what he has stolen, and recognizes Palestine, maybe there will be peace. It's pretty simple

Israel is expanding every day into the territory of another nation, which it does not recognize, with the excuse that in the Bible its borders were those. It destroys Palestinian houses and villages and settles settlers coming from abroad. do you think this is correct? Why?

True historically, but right now it's quite black and white, the reality is that Israeli expansionism is a continued act of war and an en abuse. It is colonialism, subjugating another nation. and US unconditional support is the same as always, US cares little about justice and a lot about its interests, which are basically influence what is basically money.

This is a situation that has been degenerating for 100 years, judging it simply is wrong. You have to admit the trauma of seeing the atrocities Hamas has committed on defenseless girls and children. That requires a response if you do not want to disappear as an entity. What happened before is indifferent, this demands a response, and in that response we will see how Israel acts. What do you want them to do? nothing? So they are dead as a nation. Even the Muslims knows that a response is legitimate I hope it's the end of Netanyahu, the incompetence showed is criminal, if not directly a premeditated crime

If that were true, they would devastate Gaza and leave no one alive, with Dresden-type bombings every day. You are supposed to be smart guys and here is everyone who is a fan of team A or team B, without nuances. If this is the case here, what will the simple people who are in the real situation be like?

@Scholar that article devotes only two words to expansionism, none to the rejection of the two-nation solution, and none to the inclusion of religious fanatics in the Israeli government. The thing is very obvious, Israel denies the existence of the Palestinian state and refuses to commit to stopping expansionism for biblical reasons. With that philosophy, war is assured. Maybe even admitting the state of Palestine and returning to legal borders, violence would continue, then Palestine would be completely responsible. now it's not, because expansionism is violence

I'm just trying to understand a conflict by putting myself in the shoes of both sides. To think that one is completely right in this case is unrealistic. I repeat the obvious: the illegal settlements, the expansionist ideology, the fanaticism of the ultra-Orthodox who look to the Bible to draw borders. Israel must erase all that to be the civilized part, now it is not. having fanatics who look at the borders in Torah in the government is not civilized, it is irrational and creates religious war. one of the sides must be civilized, fair, humane. If not, it's a war between barbarians with only one reason: who is stronger. One side is less barbarian, ok, but with fanatics that want expansion for biblic reasons. Craziness. deny Palestinian statehood. what reason for this?

You haven't understood me, I'm not saying that that is my opinion, I am saying that that is the Palestinian point of view and that of millions of Muslims around the world. If Israel wants to be the reasonable part with justice on its side, it has it very easy: abandon illegal settlements, prohibit expansionist doctrine, promote the two-nation solution. then there will be a civilized side and a barbaric side. but right now it's not like that

Yes, All of this is perfect if you leave the illegal settlements, stop expanding and prohibit expasionist ideologies within the government. If you don't do that, you are also an aggressor. They do this because they do not have the capacity to attack military targets and their intention is to cause as much damage as possible, because they want a total conflict, killing and dying because for them an intolerable abuse is being committed towards their nation and they don't want to curl up in bed crying calling for mom, I'm not saying that it justifies it, but that's how they see it. It seems absolutely disgusting and horrible to me, but cutting off water and electricity and bombing a city is just as disgusting. The Israelis will say: yes, of course, but if we go directly to fight in the streets, many soldiers will die. so we bombed and cut off electricity in hospitals. Ok, perfect, then we burn children alive because if we go with the paragliders against a military barracks we make a fool of ourselves. party of inhumanity without barriers. The only barrier Israel has is public opinion. without this barrier, genocide and expulsion of all Palestinians and creation of the great Israel, without the slightest doubt

The settlements are aggression and a mockery. In Israel there is more and more extremism, politicians who openly talk about expansion, the other day it was said that this fight is against human animals. Where is the side of justice here? The murderers of child rapists are not on that side. Are those who bomb a city and cut off electricity to hospitals? Who has the theft of land from another country in their program? Who allowed the terrorist to get in to have a reason to destroy? I don't think things are clear at all.

I'm not saying that I personally justify it, I'm saying that it is morally justified from the point of view of being legitimate defense for millons of people. It is what they think, for them Israel is attacking them and since they do not have the capacity for a direct confrontation, they resort to terrorism. Israel, seeing itself attacked, bombs Gaza and also kills. Hamas' way of killing is cruel and horrible, but bombing a city is also cruel, or cutting off electricity in hospitals. Everyone thinks their actions are legitimate and necessary. The point is that Israel cannot continue expanding without consequences, nor have a fanatical religious ideology with fanatics more radical than the Islamists and consider itself the moral and good part.

Yes, but the Palestinians could say that they have to attack to prevent Israel's expansion. Israel does not attack, it expands, and that for the Palestinians is an attack. The solution begins by dismantling the colonies in the West Bank. If they did that, they would have the morality in their side, but as long as they continue to spread in the West Bank and vote for governments that have expansion in their program, Palestinian terrorism is morally justified as their only defense for all the Muslims and many of westerns.