Breakingthewall

How the Sufis are Islamic? When I read them I can't understand, they seems heretic for be a Muslim. In fact, I believe that they were hidden heretics who could not openly manifest their heresy. Ibn Arabi said that all religions were equal, that is why it is prohibited in Iran.

I have been to Morocco, Mauritania and Turkey several times, half of my family come from Islamic religion, I have read the Koran, Rumi and Ibn Arabi, I consider the latter the most advanced mystic I know, but the essence of Islam is what it is, it is not spreading hatred, it is revealing the reality. Just tell me, where I'm wrong?

but the fundamental difference is that one is true and the other false. If you surrender your ego, as Christianity or Buddhism says, you will enter the kingdom of heaven or nirvana. On the other hand, if you beat your wife gently and treat your slaves well and do jihad, you will not enter paradise. It is a lie, to manipulate and make you obey. It is the religion of a demon. Simple and without any possible interpretation

@zazen There is another important difference between Islam and Christianity: Christianity is a religion of fakes, since it is practically impossible to be a good Christian, you should work for free in a leper colony and be a saint. The rich can't go to heaven, if they hit you, turn the other cheek, even don't have bad thoughts. All christians have a feeling of guilt, since it is impossible to fulfill your duty, that is what confession is for.... Buddhism the same, almost impossible be a Buddha, you can't go in that direction, but arrive is almost impossible. On the other hand, Muslims can be good Muslims, a perfect one. it's easy: Ramadan, prayer, don't hit your wife too hard, etc. you must do the yihad, and can't deviate, there is no confession for Muslim, if you are a sinner, bad business, hell is waiting

That's why in Christianity is said: To God what is God's, to Caesar what is Caesar's. Christianity is a religion, not a political system. It has been a state religion for centuries, but that is not its essence. The essence of Islam is to be a state religion. Islam cannot be interpreted, it is literal, and it is created to be applied as a legal system. Not doing so is going against Islam, that's why fundamentalists really are the true Muslims, and most Muslims understand it.

@zazen Good and deep reflection, but what points do you find in Islam? Don't treat your slaves badly? In war does he kill the minimum? It is a code of conduct that is advanced for its time, but it is not timeless. Christianity and Buddhism are, Islam is obsolete

In poor countries the family is your wealth. Having many children makes you more... simply, more. If you travel through Africa, everyone will ask you: how many children do you have? If you say that no one will look at you with pity, and at a woman over 25 years old, as if her life were a misfortune. children are everything

@zazen By the way, I would really like to stop having that negative perspective towards Muslims, since they are a billion humans, it is something that poisons. I would like to see how in Islamic countries there is a movement of freedom, like the protests in Iran against the veil, or like in Tunisia where there is a secular government (not sure if yet). that Muslims open themselves to life, to evolution, creativity, freedom. It is a difficult path, we Westerners are crazy, sad, without foundation, but we move forward without fear

That's true, the thing is that Christians have evolved in one direction and Muslims in another. Comparing Hamas to Nazis makes no sense. They are both an aberration, the same as Slobodan Milosevic and many others. Christians have been extremely cruel, probably more so than Muslims. My criticism of Islam is not that, it is that Christianity is against war, while Islam as a religion promotes war. Later, Christians have massacred in the name of their religion, like stupid humans, but the Christian religion is about forgiveness, turning the other cheek and peace, while Islam is about jihad, submission of women and slavery. What I wonder is what destination can a path that begins with those bases reach?

. The Jews have enormous patience. The Palestinians have had the intention of exterminating them since 1920. They have been attacked with that intention by alliances of several countries. The Palestinians refuse to live together and persist in hatred, since they are close to a stronger civilization and do not want to be absorbed by it or live with it. Under any circumstances they would be exterminated, but this is not possible today, so the Jews must live with a neighbor who wishes their death and raises their children in hatred. Not confortable Imagine that Native Americans raise their children in hatred and terrorism. America belongs to them, right?

Anyway, everything about the Jews is extremely biblical. rave of infinite freedom, incredible. Now there are women living an unimaginable hell of multiple rapes and torture at the hands of Hamas. maximum level, worse than being crucified. Let's think in them deeply.

In the West Bank in 2022 there were 200 deaths, 29 Israelis. It began with several deadly attacks carried out by Palestinians, after which an operation called "breaking the wave" began, which consisted of a series of raids, almost always at night, to arrest alleged terrorists. These raids met resistance and hence the deaths. demolitions are punishment operations for attacks

From what I have read, all the raids in westbank were in response to attacks from the Arab side. More Arabs always die because their strength is smaller, but they always initiate the attacks. In fact, in 2022 there were many more deaths in westbank than in Gaza

if you say that you are a heretic. According to Islam, Muhammad was illiterate and the Koran was a literal channeling of the word of God. what you said is anti islam, it means you are not a believer.

Islam was more evolved in the 14th century than it is now, so the prospects are not good. With the internet, Islam has entered a process of radicalization, since Islam really is like that, don't allow any change to evolution and with the internet the Islamic people reinforce each other. The only country that has attempted de-Islamization is Turkey, and it has not worked, since a democracy in those countries will always bring Islamic parties to power. When the cultural level of those countries grows, perhaps it will be different, but a real separation between Islam and the state does not seem possible now

there is no god who plans things and does tricks to deceive himself, that perception of reality is what one has when the self has not been completely dissolved. Reality is non-dual, that is, there is no god imagining things but this is god happening. Infinity manifests itself in infinite cycles, there is no puppeteer managing the function, there is reality creating itself. The vision of a god joker who plays is wrong, since it is replacing the ego with god. let go of the self and the impersonal infinite manifests. It's impossible to imagine because the fact of imagining is always centered in the self.

How is coexistence with Palestinians like? Are there mixed couples? Palestinian friends? or is it completely segregated?

The Jews entered Israel by buying land from the Arabs, but they began the massacres with the progrom of Jews of 1920 and it was constant. The reasons were always religious. There was a civil war where the Arabs tried to exterminate the Jews in 1947, then an extermination invasion where a coalition of countries went to kill the Jews, then Yom Kippur, the same. Constant terrorism, constant intention to kill. So, when a terrorist group that wants to exterminate the Jews takes power in Gaza, they are locked up. It's not that strange.

Maybe this is the problem with Islam. Muslims are extremely proud, if they had their pride safe, they would be benevolent. Many have a noble character, but the repeated humiliations, both by the Jews and by America, have filled them with hatred, and that is why they are becoming more and more radicalized. For example, the Chechens fought fiercely against Russia, and now they are friends of Russia. They demonstrated their courage, total war, with a huge enemy, and now the Chechens are happy, their self-esteem is safe, but the Arabs...they can't look in the mirror, they feel shit. They have been crushed again and again with enormous ease, like children facing adults. they suffer a lot , they can't live with that

The Muslims of the world do not celebrate because they are in solidarity with the oppressed Palestinians, that is a total lie, it does not matter to them, what hurts and traumatizes them enormously is the military humiliations suffered in the 6-day war and Yom Kippur, they cannot live with that rage and humiliation, that make them feel a shit, inferior. but they do not dare to go for more, because they know that they have to return humiliated again and again at the hands of a smaller enemy. then they are happy about the violations and tortures of kids. As has been said here, they should go to the psychologist

That guy misrepresents, like many. Let's see, if Hamas had bombed Tel Aviv and killed 100 thousand people, and then in Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, etc., it had been celebrated, I would think...well, maybe they have reasons for it, war. But if they have tortured and killed families, gang raped girls and then tortured them and diffused the videos and all the Arabs celebrate, I say: demons. Even if it were only two girls against 200,000 dead in a bombing to expell the Jews and recover the land, it is completely different. One thing is do the war, bomb and kill to expell the enemy, and another rape and torture for hate, and celebrate it.

I hope you get it. a guy like you is welcome anywhere

Seeing the father who was happy because he was told that his daughter was dead, since the other option would be that she was in the hands of demons, has convinced me forever. There are no nuances here. It is the fight against demons. If one day I see that Israelis commit multiple rapes and then torture the victim while laughing and after that thousands of other Israelis take to the streets to celebrate, then I will think that this is a conflict on the same level. meanwhile, I will think that it is a conflict of demons against humans If I were Israeli, now I would be waiting to go in to kill demons and die if it's necessary

Yeah, The Israelis have blockaded Gaza and appropriated land, after 60 years of conflict with people who want your death. It is something that has happened step by step. Israel has not behaved perfectly, but the Palestinians have never attempted peaceful coexistence. If they had tried, Israel would have accepted. Violence has always played against the Arabs, each violent action has brought loss of rights, but they do not learn, they continue the same, wanting to exterminate those who are much stronger than them. They cannot exterminate Israel, it is a fact, but instead of admitting it, they indoctrinate their children in sterile hatred. What is your future going to be with that negative attitude? the total shit.

Well, maybe bit more brutal