Breakingthewall

What do you mean? All that I said is about contemplation, then after contemplating very deep I see that the self is not illusory, and I explain it very clear, anyone can understand it. Why it's cognitive dissonance? Saying that I'm creating false ideas due cognitive dissonance is condescendence. Maybe to protect your frame? Instead to say that you could explain why it's illusory, and why what I said is a mistake

That legit. But If you are truly certain that you are unlimited, you don't need to build those frames about God creating dreams, you simply perceive your limitlessness. But even in that case, fear is a real vibration and it's essential to feel it, be one with it without avoidance, feel all the fear of rejection that you felt in your life, see how it closes you in a capsule, then feel the atavic fear to destruction, the real hardware, and pass through it Even can't eliminate it, you can open it up, and if you open it up, what remains is openness, unlimited flow. That's what spirituality is all about; it's what we're supposed to do. What I'm saying is that considering the psychological structure as an illusion doesn't create this openness; it creates closure disguised as liberation.

Maybe that's just an idea to avoiding facing directly the fear. The survival never is removed, it It's a standard mechanism, like the brakes on a car, an essential part of the design. What you can do is understand it deeply, feel it completely, look it in the face, and at certain moments, decompress its vibration, open it up. Then the energy capsule that limits you opens. When it opens, you perceive yourself as the flow of reality, and this makes it easier for you to face fear each time. But it never disappears. It's a reality of your structure that you must accept, value, and integrate. It's not an illusion. To define it as an illusion is to deny it, and by denying it, it doesn't disappear; it grows stronger.

I already told you. Your energy system operates in a state of survival in several layers and at different levels. It is a complex energetic structure that takes on different spectra and is the basis of your functioning as a human, what makes humanity cohesive, act, evolve, reproduce, survive, and advance. This energy system is not an illusion; it is real. The story of the ocean is exactly the same as walking down the street in Madrid; only the vibration configuration changes. If you want to open it, you must understand it, not deny it.

Left layers and layers of fear. Perhaps you don’t realize the extent of the threat implanted in your brain’s amygdala. Your whole being is compressed by a vibration of anxious self-protection that closes you off. It’s innate ,not an illusion. Let me illustrate this with a story: A few years ago, I was with a girl in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela. I got hold of a sailboat with a crushed mast base. I spent two weeks repairing it with epoxy resin mixed with sawdust. Then I installed the mast, which weighed about 500 kg and exerts a pressure of 11 tons on the base under rough conditions. Without stamping our passports , to avoid anyone foreseeing our departure and risking being murdered at sea for theft , we set off one night. I was worried about it for the first two days, but then I forgot. From there we sailed to Jamaica , an intense 8-day crossing where I saw the mast holding up. Then we went on to Cuba, the Bahamas, and from there to Bermuda. The boat was 45 years old and poorly maintained. The engine could only be used in very specific situations. Between Bermuda and the Azores, we hit a storm with sustained winds of around 100 km/h for five days, generating waves over 10 meters high, with lightning striking near the boat. During that time, I set an alarm every 30 minutes at night. Every time it rang, I went outside to inspect everything, because the materials were under maximum tension, in the middle of wind as hurricane, movement as watermachine and hard rain. I kept checking the base of the mast , made of sawdust and epoxy , measuring it with calipers many times a day to see if it had shrunk even a millimeter. This creates a tension, a high-frequency survival vibration, present every second for many days without pause. It’s extremely useful for understanding how the structure of closure operates, because it becomes much more noticeable. That same vibration is present when you’re sitting in a city drinking coffee , because there are constant latent threats of various kinds. One of them is not being accepted by society. Your system registers it as a threat, just like being in serious trouble in the middle of the ocean ,only more muted. If you want to open that closure, you have to understand it, not deny it. That’s absolutely essential

That are your beliefs and I respect them, but how could we discuss about that? No, everything is imaginary and you are god creating this dream! How do you know? Because I'm awake and you don't! ok, you could believe or not, but the topic of the self, how to decompress it, it's direct. we can talk about it without entering in beliefs.

It wasn't installed in you at birth, it was created by the evolution of life over 3 billion years.

I answered direct, clear, with good examples, but seems not direct enough, let's see this: Survival is when you have to avoid death

Well, that's your perspective. I don't want to enter in religious discussion, just about the structure of the ego

For example now I'm not threatened and I'm thinking in going to a coffee shop to have a coffee , and what works I have to do today, and such things, that's the self, the psychological structure . It's not an state of openess, it like closed, not suffering but there is some contraction that I feel in the body, in the mind, in the vibration of everything in me. It could be much more contraction, then instead of the coffee I would thinking in killing my father because he provoke the death of my mother and tried to destroy me by narcissism, to put an example. It would be a very deep feeling, a real vibration of all my psyche that have it's origins millions years ago, much before than the human were a human. Neural pathways created when the monkeys protected their family, and before, when the rats did the same. Also, I could be an state of total openness, then I would feel the reality flow through me absolutely free, there wouldn't be contraction at all, no limits, then it's not the reality that flow through me, it's me, the reality, that flows. The difference between these three is the contraction, the oppressive vibration of fear. It has nothing to do with the ego. What's called the ego is the product of that oppression, and that oppression is an energetic structure created by evolution to keep you alive and society together. If you want to open it, you must understand and confront it. It's absolutely real, very complex, branched, and subtle. "Confront" it is not a mental game.

"You" work "yourself" to a "state" where "you" let the ego not identify with "you". So there are two you, the ego and the real you? It seems you're talking about your self-image, something like: oh, my children are being raped, does that mean I'm a bad father? Gosh, should I do something to maintain my image as a good father? Yeah, well, that's psychotic narcissism, it's fine for anyone to get over it, but I'm not talking about that, but about the real psychological structure, the real neural pathways that make you pick up an axe and start a fight to the death when you see your children being raped. If, for example, you were a tuna, and you saw your children being raped, you wouldn't care at all, since you wouldn't have those neural pathways made by millions of years of evolution, you would have different ones, which would make you swim or maybe eat your children.

I didn't understand what you meant, I missinterpreted. Finished for today

Unbiased, but you said that I should inquiry to discover that the self is illusory.

Sure, then dropping the ego means what? For example, if you see a rapist raping your girlfriend, your no ego, what could do? Singing? Maybe starting cooking? Because you ve no ego, anything is the same. Or maybe you could fight? Because your ego is aligning with what reality wants from you. Your ego is an structure and have to decide to fight, how to fight, when exactly, be strong against fear, then calculate exactly what to do. Your "ego" is not your ego, is the reality. If has to "resist" because resistance means nothing, it's just another vibration of reality. Your ego not aligned was the reality exactly the same , but not aligned, closed, in process to evolution "Ego" means nothing, what you consider ego is self image, the layer of narcisism . That's just a layer Again, sorry before for that about condescending, Im almost sleeping, long day

Yeah that's a coincidence. Anyway, read what I said if you want, maybe you can see what I want to point . No, it's different, if now I say: well, you speak from learned beliefs, really you are stuck In concepts, etc , same than You and the other user said without touching a single point that is said is just condescendence and I don't understand exactly what do you get saying that. Defending a position? Better be opened to the truth . Anyway, sorry for get triggered, it's stupid, stress and work day

Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying. That's because you both operates in the same level. You can't understand what Im saying because you are in the conceptual limited level, believing that is me who is in the conceptual limited level, and both use condescendence. I'm talking from another perspective, from the broad one. Maybe someone who's reading this can see it. If not it's ok, it's not a topic to argue

No, What survives is an enormously complex energy system we call human, which can die at any moment. It's a stable form that reality is now taking. What can't die is reality, but the human form can, and this form isn't an illusion; it's a form. Anxiety and worry are just energetic vibrations that are happening. Harmony and alignment are other energetic vibrations, bot are possibilities of the energetic sistem that we call human. Energetic means relations btw, not some mysterious energy.

There is no paradox or mystery. There cannot be two separate absolutes, because then they wouldn't be absolutes; they would be relative. "Separate" means relative. "Many gods" mean many forms, god is not something , not an entity that feels and touch other god, god is the absence of limitations itself, the absolute potential that is source of the totality of the form. If there are two gods, both are part of the totality of the form, then are just forms, expressions of god

There is only one apparent paradox: the absolute is the absence of limits. Therefore, it has no absolute limits, only relative ones. This might seem like an absolute limit in itself, but it is not ,because the nature of the absolute is not defined by an edge or a boundary. Its limitlessness is not a restriction; it is simply what it is. It's not a real paradox, just a missinterpretation of what a limit is.

Over all if you are lazy

Ok, So when your 5-year-old daughter is being raped, you can read that to her. Tell her you don't have the balls to be a man, and that in return, you're an enlightened. Sure she will understand.

Because your survival programming is threatened

And if you have a daughter, it's ok that she is sold in a brothel when she's 5 years old? Or maybe do you think that this doesn't happen to enlightened people? If it happens, what would you do? Eat bread?

That's not the work of the self, it's keeping the body alive with external resources and the integration of that system into the social matrix, cooperation, emotional ties, work.

No, flowing with the flow. But that doesn't mean that the haven't a self.