Breakingthewall

two possibilities: one, reality is flowing and in its flow it creates a subject who is the center of the experience, who listens to the sounds. This subject really is the sounds, he doesn't hear them. Nobody listens, the sounds are. There is no such thing as hearing, but rather it is an appearance that occurs when the sound occurs. another, the infinite being creates the experience to listen to it. a creator god who creates qualia and experience. which one do you choose? imo, reality is completely impersonal, ultimately it is an unlimited vastness of existence, and from it arises the infinite being that those fragments you cited speak of, the infinite self, and that being combines infinitely in infinite universes synchronized with each other to infinity. An atom is one universe, a cell is another, a human, a city, a galaxy, a universe, multiverse, etc. that's what it seems to be. The question would be: what is enlightenment? Be the unlimited self, or maybe it's still a construction? Well, if it's unlimited it's eternal. When I realized I perceived it like what always was. But imo the real enlightenment is go beyond of that self, to total substance of reality, the totality before any self, where the infinite self is contained. The realization of the infinite self, even sounds paradoxical because it's infinite, is limited, because that self is concrete in a way: it's you.

Then, there is someone or something that hears? Id say that sounds arise from the totality.

Id say it's about the structure of the mind, to achieve a point of total openenss, or emptiness. But does he understand how reality is structured? What are the things that appears? Why there are sensations, things, others, cosmos? What are them? He knows how to meditate and reach his essence, be totally free of obstacles, but until what point? Maybe there is more .

I have had that realization many times with 5meo. I am the timeless being, I have always been here, my freedom is total and my joy is absolute. but there is a small problem with this: it is personal. I am. there is self. an eternal, indescribable self, but a self that perceives itself as self and knows what it is with absolute clarity. It is not empty vastness, it is infinite self. So, I think there is still identification. On the other hand, only with meditation with one or two puffs of weed, I have had an experience of total opening. There is no self, there is infinite emptiness, and this emptiness opens and shows its essence, it is totality. I look at it and in a moment I am it, but not as a self, but as a total indefinite, impersonal reality. It is extremely difficult to maintain this because the natural human self needs to be a self, it cannot be indefinite, so they are brief openings, a minute or two. Then, how to be sure of anything? Right now im not having those perceptions, so are they real?

Well, I care about awakening , I do psychedelic for opening and for curiosity, but after the moment happen, some days later, I forget them totally , im not sure if them were real. I only can be sure that now is real.

In my opinion all the awakenings are nothing. Realize that reality is this, or that, that nothing is outside or inside, that everything is infinite, etc etc, are realizations of the ego. Only the ego can have awakenings. The real point is be free right now, nothing else. No barriers, free flow, open existence. It's a change of frequency, not an awakening. Just be free of the fear and be what you are now without the illusion of control. Then you don't need more awakenings, if we need it's because we feel incomplete, and who feels like that is always the ego. Nothing to add, everything to subtract, until the pure essence of existence remains

@Zeroguy you would agree that reality exist right? That's the only truth.

A fabrication of what? Of the source? What source? God? Thisdell describes his realization when he meditate. where he arrives at an empty space that according to him is the source of all perception. Well, what if he's completely wrong? You can reach the absolute emptiness of the mind by meditating. and? The only thing it means is that you have stopped mental processes. Does this mean that you understand something? I would say no, since people who meditate a lot tend to think that everything is a creation of their mind, and that nothing exists outside of it. How they know that? One thing is to arrive to a point where you perceive yourself as existence, that is legitimate because you perceive what you are without content, and another very different is understanding what is the reality, how is it structure.

Emptiness is impossible since always is being, then only fullness exist, emptiness is an Illusion, because who perceive the emptiness fills it. But my question was about the structure, about the forms that appears in your perception.

@Water by the River Imo you may be enlightened in the sense of being open to your true nature, but that does not mean you understand what the cosmos is like. You can understand the substance of reality but not its structure, and you can be open to the substance of reality in its empty facet and not be open to its full facet.

If there was only one perspective, mine, who would create everything that appears? a mischievous god who plays hide and seek because he's bored? That religion is less credible than Yahweh imo. God is the infinite perspectives interconnected and synchronized, creating and limiting each other, any other possibility is dual and impossible

@Water by the River @Water by the River Imagine absolute emptiness, there is no perception but there is timeless existence empty of content. deep meditation, deep sleep, fetal state, call it what you want. then, something appears and interrupts the timeless void. colors, shapes, sensations. Let's say the fetus has come to light, a new perspective appears. The question is: everything that appears are empty images, a decoration of unreal shapes that appear and create the illusion of an individual who perceives, or really these shapes are in turn perspectives interacting with each other, individuals. Any perspective that is anything other than the timeless void is really an individual or holon. What is the problem with this? everything is the same substance, but the perspectives of this substance are infinite. Perceived reality is not illusory in the sense that the people you see on the street are their own perspective and each of them is made up of an unimaginable number of self-perspective holons that are grouped into increasingly complex systems at a higher level. Non duality means that everything is the same substance, not that there is only one perspective and everything is illusion, that's solipsism. It's obvious that you are an individual, it's not an illusion, call it illusion makes no sense, because there is a perspective, yours, that is transitory. You could say that the perspectives are transitory, just perspectives, not absolute, anything, but not unreal or illusory, because that means solipsism, and it's obviously impossible because it's limited

Yes, that's what it seems, but it implies solipsism. Only this experience is real, nothing is outside of that experience, then, you are an hallucination. That's what you suggest?

I think it's much more of that. I agree with how you define the continuous realization of being the infinite being of unlimited vastness, but I would say that everything that appears has an infinite foundation. one thing does not exclude the other. The vision that all form is a hallucination seems flat and dual to me, since it assumes a subject, the infinite being, and an object, the dream. I'm almost sure this is wrong

@Princess Arabia But on the other hand, you can perceive reality as something homogeneous, in which form is irrelevant, therefore it could be said that it is empty as a form, but full as a being. It always is, it never is not, then it is something: being. The forms are unreal because they are beings taking forms, but they are real for the same reason😅 because their substance is being, which is infinite.

Yes but that being is infinite. When you talk with someone, this conversation is infinite, and has infinite ramifications, like everything else. Are infinite in it's depth. It's impossible to understand or grasp because our perception is limited. The being ramificates itself in infinite dimensions. Here and now the infinity is, and it's movement is infinite, because has not bottom. It could be a scary realization, because there is no grasp, understanding, known territory, it's only infinite being. It is like pouring yourself into death, knowing nothing, having no mind, just being. expand yourself completely, and perceive that this moment is a bottomless hole, therefore indefinable. but then you realize that this being permeates everything, the infinite absolute hole, completely. that's the reality. eureka!

I think it's exactly the opposite. Everything is infinite. The reason I am is that I have no limits, this seems obvious to me, and everything that appears, whether it is a sound, or a person with all the energetic and mental exchange that occurs, is infinite. What happens is that the mind monopolizes attention on the meaning, so it does not see the substance, which is always the same: the infinite. but infinity is something, since it is infinite, it is everything, and the only thing that matters in spirituality for me is being open to the true substance. It is very difficult, I am now closed to that substance, therefore my feeling is a little miserable. Opening to true substance is a very difficult art, you have to master the mind, master meditation, have the intention to be one with reality and open your heart to it, break all barriers.

Why an appearance? And appearance is something. If it appears as something, it's because it's something. Even it's an image is something, have a substance. If the substance is "mind" or anything else it's the same , it's something. Define it as dream or anything else is the same, just exist. The thing is penetrate in what is it, in what you are. It's not just nothing, because of it were nothing, it would be limited to be nothing. It's everything, very different.

Is a feeling a "thing"? What is the difference between a feeling or a car? The solidity?

I would say that what we all seek with the "enlightening" impulse or activity is to dissolve all the limitations that being human implies so that a completely open perception can happen , and live in unlimited flow.

Great answer, thanks. About that fragment...let's see. The nature of reality is essentially empty, absolute immensity, as you said, but at the same time it is absolutely full. That's what I meant by an openness that can burn not only the false identity but also physically. Let's see, the opening to full totality, or infinite love, or total light, means according to my experience (which as I already said can be identification, although I think not) that the infinite, by the very fact of being infinite, is everything, and that totality is an immutable reality. everything that was and will be, eternally, concentrated in a formless singularity. It is not a realization of freedom, like infinite vastness, but of absolute, unimaginable power. You can't be open to this constantly, it seems toxic, radioactive to say the least. Then, in my experience, that could be distorted, there are two faces of reality: the empty face and the full face. If reality were absolutely empty, nothing would arise, it would simply be nothing, but reality is. As you have said, the infinite being. What is this infinite being? It's you obviously, but what are you really? When infinity opens up and shows what it is, it blinds you. It is the explosion of infinite supernovas from infinite multiverses, something you can only intuit. It is not flat imagination that creates images, it is total power that creates dimensions and life. You can't be open to it, it has to be veiled or it would kill you, not your ego but your body. This means that reality is not imaginary. If it were, a subject that does the act of imagining would be needed. Impossible. Reality is just the absence of limits, and as you said it's impersonal. An infinite being that imagines is personal, that's a mistake of appreciation, a limited perception. The reality is everything due the absence of limitations, and this "everything" is the total realization. There is nobody imagining or creating, it's only the infinite flow that arises like a natural phenomena from the totality, that ultimately is you, but a you absolutely impersonal, pure light, or pure love could be a definition.

I Know what I am looking for: total openness to reality, erasing the entire structure of human fear that closes, being open to the now completely, beyond human life, in all its total depth. I perceive this life as an stage. I don't understand how works the cosmos, but I'm moving forward, following an impulse, creating a new pattern as clean as I can that can allow the most possible openess. In openenss is happiness, because it's the essence of reality, of better, in closure is unhappyness, then it's easy to choose the right path, seems that the design is done to move you in that direction, the narrow path of evolution

@Water by the River and there is something else, correct me if you think I'm wrong, because I could be completely wrong. In addition to being infinite, impersonal and free, there is a living substance of the infinite. By the very fact of being infinite, it is everything, and this totality manifests itself in what they call mystical love or infinite love, the total brilliance of sacred, immutable existence, which is the core, the heart of reality and truly the only one. reality, the immutable because it is everything, the total absolute, which now takes the appearance of this concrete situation. You can't be totally open to that long time because it burns, it has to be partially veiled to maintain this experience.

But there could be degrees of that. You could be with some suffering but perceiving you as infinite impersonal being. You suggest that it's something that happens one day and then you always are without separation/grasping/suffering. It could be like that sometimes, others no. Depending of the circumstances. And even you perceive yourself totally open, infinite, impersonal, the reality, this reality could perceive itself absolutely, all it sacred openess, the absolute freedom and joy of being, the immutable existence, or not so deep, mixed with the experience. Or according to you, when it's totally open once it's always totally open?

If nothingness produces something, then it's not nothingness