Breakingthewall

Desire to open, to remove obstacles, fear, sadness, narcissism, all the chains. Desire to be free, all time. Then you do what is necessary. Time, let's see 2 years but depending of the person. At first it's shit, the mind is confusion, full of fear, identification, dense. A hell. Then you start with the hammer. Destruction, forge. The chains are unbearable, better be dead. 5meo, meditation many hours, stopping any entertainment, any toxic activities, cleaning, purifying. And the thing starts to move

One thing is being as open to the reality as you can in normal circumstances, and another If they lock you in a room full of hungry rats, for example. Then you are not enlightened or anything, you are just scaping from the rats.

The game of reality is a hard game. Reality opens its heart to itself, it keeps nothing, it saves nothing. It is absolutely generous in creation, in beauty, and in suffering. The heart of reality bleeds total generosity. It opens itself and says: give it all to me. and drains the full chalice of existence with infinite joy and courage. reality has infinite balls.

For your kids, for your body, for the families who were in autchwitz, for the old people alone sick in a city... imagine the volume of shit of humanity. It's a huge mountain of the worse shit ever. Seems a joke. It's better to laugh.

Life is war, We try to dance a beautiful dance, avoiding misery, loneliness, illness and death. We imagine a collective imaginary world in which the dark side of life does not exist, and we stay in it mentally, like children. War is out there, life is dancing a beautiful dance in the middle of war. Open your eyes and heart wide, love and look for open-hearted, generous people, and open your heart and soul to them, just because its beautiful, but over all open your heart to life, to the now, looking it directly, and lets see when the things become shit. When the sickness and the negativity appears in our life, we have to be open to it, and love it too. Not easy

When the things in life gets ugly, and things gets ugly almost sure, then it's the moment to say: I am here, do with me what you want. All of us are going to cry and beg for mercy, but life is merciless. The moment of the truth use to come, this is not a game. Let's see how I'm going to react, but as a preparation what I try is not liying myself

Exactly

Different goals. For me it is obvious that the levels of consciousness are a trap, since they never end, so there is no difference between a lot or a little. The difference is between limited and infinite. Infinity is total, there are no levels of infinity because it is not something, it is the absence of something: of limits

For me the difference in well-being and happiness after using 5 meo, let's say... I don't know how many times, hundreds ,is complete. My purpose with 5 meo was completely clear from the beginning: breaking all the walls. nothing more, that's all, anything else is a wall. Are you smart or maybe....are you not so smart? because it's obvious. What this game is about is expanding to infinity permanently, because obviously, you are infinite, so why do you perceive yourself as finite? there is an error in it and that error causes contraction, discomfort, unhappiness, distortion, pain, depression, rage, anger, hatred, young padawan, you are up to your eyeballs in self-hatred that stinks like shit and you must disintegrate those walls that contain it and that it diffuses into infinity, which is all the total glory, since wherever you look, it is infinite. then in your chest only one expression will resonate: hallelujah. even if your girlfriend leaves you and you are an old man alone in a stinking residence. Hallelujah, because reality is total glory without limit and you are the source and the flow.

I don't think so, you should use a lot for that

For me, other roa like snorted or plugged don't work even in very high doses, because my mind adapts at full speed to the gradual rise and never breaks down. What I'm looking for with 5meo is a total breakup. It has to be instantaneous, in 3 or 4 seconds the mind is an empty black space, and then it explodes. The insight or revelations that may take place are not relevant ( they are in low doses) the only thing sought is the rupture itself and the expansion to infinity. It is something physical, not mental, a radical change in frequency, the disappearance of the structures of the mind and the opening to total emptiness. As you have said, it is not so much a psychedelic as a meditative tool.

Interesting! I read about it. I prefer vape because it's violence. What I'm looking is a bomb. Anything smoother doesn't work for my objetive.

I'd say that Waterriver thinks that Leo is prisoner of the form, and he's dragging others to a wrong path, the he points again and again his mistake, like a mission . lets say that Waterriver thinks that enlightenment is something unthinkable, it is the opening of your being to your unlimited essence, and this by definition cannot be thought or said, it can be done. Therefore, indicating that awakening is something concrete can be very toxic for those who are on the path, and that is why they repeat it. maybe I'm wrong

That guy may be trained to endure pain and have the belief that if he does what he did he will have advantages in the future life, and that is all.

That's true. It seems like something designed exactly for that. how do you use it? vaped? what dose?

I think that psychedelic are extremely useful if your goal Is the liberation of your true self. Identify the chains and break them. If your goal is understanding, or exploration and you are still a prisoner of your human chains, you will get confusion. Saying that psychedelic are this or that is nonsense, depends totally of the user. Maybe wilber found some people who got evil, or anything using psychedelic. How many? Hundreds? 😅 I don't think so. Let's be serious, the experience in this area is very limited, then doing categoric statements is a mistake

It is very interesting to see in Sheela the power dynamics inherent in humans. In another era, there would have been a war and many people would have burned at the stake in the public square.

@Water by the River "psychedelics" is a very general definition. 5meo dmt is not the same as lsd or marihuana. I would like to know Wilber's opinion, or yours for example, after 4 or 5 real breakthroughs with 5meo. not only about the trip itself, but about the sensations in the meditation in the following days

I wish he would get over it. Thank you for sharing your pain, it feels like mine for a moment.

Mind says that because it's true. Thousands of generations of humans have lived in constant conditions like the siege of Stalingrad and worse. massacre, slavery, epidemics, and that has a genétical fingerprint. reality is relentless, but at the same time, and paradoxically, its essence is the divine flow of perfect love. This is extremely difficult to understand. Let's say, using the acim terminology you like, that reality offers itself to martyrdom for the sake of the greater glory of its creation.

It is something extremely simple. When there is true love between humans, a mother for her child, two true lovers without barriers who love each other completely, also the love of an artist for his creation, or of a person enlightened by reality, what there is is the open flow of reality without barriers. Reality is that, that creative force, full, total, that fills your heart and soul. As humans we close ourselves to love because of fear, it is inevitable. We come from competition and war, and it is implanted in our genes. barriers, thorns, fear, envy, greed, narcissism and hatred. This closes us down, and also keeps us moving as a species. If we want to open ourselves to the glory that reality is, call it love if you want, but it is a love that is more than love, it is the total, infinite, absolute reality, flowing on itself, we must identify and let fall those thorns, that fear, that greed, that narcissism, and open ourselves to the absolute glory of the infinity .

I could take a gun and shot myself . Then?

Well, it depends on how you look. Most people today feel that they are trapped in a fragile physical body in decay, and that their inescapable future is decrepitude and then something unthinkable and absolutely terrifying called death, which they do not even want to think about, so the normal thing would be to be all the day crying desperately. So people are really very optimistic and strong and despite their horrible situation they keep going.

Agree, They are a necessary starting point. They show you the tip of the iceberg. The problem is that they tell you that they are showing you the entire iceberg and that is a lie, I don't know if they know it or not, probably not.

Well, tolle's example was not correct. To be correct it would be: imagine that you are going to be crucified in 10 minutes. The Romans are already there preparing the cross, with the nails in their hands, the hammer, etc., the whole crowd shouting, you are there waiting for the centurion to arrive to give the order, and Ecart appears with his story of: let's see brother , are you being crucified NOW? not right? Well it's always NOW, so be happy, NOW everything is Perfect. So maybe if the Romans would have a little compassion and before being crucified they would allow you to kill Tolle slowly, then maybe yes, you would be a little happier