Breakingthewall

Sorry I quoted you by mistake, the message was to zazen, who talked about how the Israeli oppress the Palestinian. I think the Palestinian could talk about oppression when their main goal is developing as society and not the dissapearance of Israel. Difficult since islamist tend always to victimism and revenge, but let's see if they realize that it's impossible, then it's better looking forward than backwards. The problem is that looking forward needs some work, not just cry.

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The Palestinians tried to expel the Jews since 1948. They failed. After several wars, the Jews emerged as the strongest group. Two million Arabs live in Israel. All the signs in highways and street are in Hebrew and Arabic. They have the right to their religion. In Tel Aviv, the Islamic prayer is sung on the minarets. All the Arab women are covered. Muslims work as doctors, lawyers, and politicians. Enough with this victimism. No one has their knee on anyone's neck. Israel is the only country in the Gulf where you're not sentenced to death for being gay. What are you talking about? Israel is not perfect? Who is? Try to adapt and live, there are many Islamic Utopia around, like Iran, Irak or Yemen. I think there are enough muslim paradises around.

@zazen So you compare Pakistan with the United Kingdom or the United States, and in your opinion, Pakistan is more fair because there's less inequality. You handle a large amount of information, but your processor doesn't seem to be working properly. Do you think forced marriage is a good thing? For some (maybe crazy) people, it's violence and rape. Do you understand that humanity is imperfect and that the West is very imperfect, but it has ideals of liberty and equality, which are never fulfilled, but tend toward them, or are attempted? Do you understand that your admired Islamic world has as its ideal the complete adherence to a book written by a warlord self proclaimed messiah 1,400 years ago? Doesn't that seem like a slightly, shall we say, oppressive philosophy to you? What's the point of that? What's its purpose? To go to paradise? What kind of madness is that?

The violence in '47 was bilateral. The violence in the area had been constant since 1920. Whose fault was it? Blame, blame, blame, blame. Victimism, victimism, victimism. Year 7800. Humanity has transcended matter and has become a flow of pure interdimensional intelligence. Except for a small group who have created an artificial desert in the middle of the Milky Way, where they argue, dressed in funny costumes, about whose fault it was. Thanks to the possibility of time travel, they can review every event at a quantum level. They have all eternity to reach a conclusion.

The intolerance of progressives is that they can't tolerate reality contradicting their ideals. The essential thing is to maintain their moral superiority. If the facts later contradict their versions, they cover their ears and shout: "Lalalalalala!" Because what matters here is that they are good and others are bad. They are like narcissistic teenagers

If what you say had been done, it would have been a temporary arrangement. Hamas would have found other leaders, children would still be educated in self-immolation as the supreme value and in hatred of Jews as the absolute paradigm, and in three years there would have been another war. It seems people have trouble understanding that until the Palestinians focus on the positive, that is, on the future of their children, and not on the negative, the disappearance of Israel, there will be no future for them. But the problem with Islam is that for them, the only interesting future is Allah's paradise; on Earth, it's all victimhood and hatred of those who are different. Black-hooded party.

The European welfare society is comfortable and friendly, but it produces soft, unmotivated individuals. This might not be a problem if we didn't live in a competitive world with many billion of poor people who want to be rich, and who lurk behind you to claim their legitimate right to be where you are by virtue of their aggressiveness, ambition, and determination. So, perhaps the welfare society will take you to where they are, in misery. Just a possibility.

This "me" isn't in any.place, any place happens in that "me" . What we call me or self or center is the reality taking a definite form. There is not difference between the ego or the absolute reality, both are exactly the same. The self is the absolute reality with the structure of a human self. This human structure is very deep. In fact it's infinitely deep, without bottom. Let's see what happens when this structure ends, or changes . Maybe it's an experience that we can be aware of, who knows

To say more: I bet that the war in gaza is going to end in few days and Donald is going to get the Nobel prize, the final joke. I bet a dinner with you, raze, if you promise don't stab me.

I don't care if you are Muslim or not, I thought you are because you show the usual victimism that Muslims do, it's the same if you are christian or atheist. With those words you just show your lack of mental freedom, seems that you are a hooligan. Maybe you are not Muslim, but you are not free at all. I just expressed an opinion, if you don't like, that's life. Just wait 1 year and we will see who's right. If you are, I will remember you it

When? If I remember well he's Muslim living in London. My mother was Muslim btw, and she become Christian. My grand parents were Muslim and my aunt I don't think that Israeli behavior is perfect at all, settlement are very bad and many other things. I said that the attitude in the invasión of gaza in my opinion was the best possiblity possible due the circumstances. It's my opinion, could be much worse, and I think that it's the beginning of the peace in my opinion. Just my opinion, then in 1 or 2 years, we will see if I'm right or absolutely wrong

Another Palestinian who speaks about peace

Of course he's criticizing Israel's attitude in the invasion of Gaza. Obviously, there have been excesses. It's a war, right? But take the final message: don't be so narrow-minded. Don't you see that he's taking responsibility? I wish more Muslims would do the same. Listen this guy, he's a hope.

There has been horrible violence and injustice in every religion. The worst in Christianity. The number one sons of bitches in history. But it wasn't caused by Christianity itself. Christianity is a philosophy of love and forgiveness that points to the divine. Islam has perhaps been more peaceful than Christianity throughout human history, but the Quran points to violence, exclusion, terror, and punishment (not to mention issues involving minors). Christianity is timeless. Islam expired in the 14th century. Btw, a lot of Muslims are becoming christians. Did you know that? There are forums of ex Muslims very active. They have to be brave, independent spirits.

@Raze try to see the world without the Muslim filter. Do it like a real experiment. I listen many Palestinian that are awake, they preach the right of the Jews to be in Israel and the peace and adaptation to Israeli way of life. They are extremely brave. Some were terrorist imprisoned, others become Christians. Extremely brave people . Samer sinijlawi for example.

The head is not of islam, don't be more victimist that the usual in a Muslim. I exposed my view, we will see in a year who's right. Just remember this conversation.

My profile pic is Kali, the goddess of destruction, that kills the falsehood. No, I think that islam is inherently evil. The sufis were great, over all Al Hallaj, but they weren't Muslims. They were heretic very smart who insert real mysticism in the core of a ideology of exclusion and punishment Btw, Al Hallaj was tortured and crucified by the Islamic authority in Iran. Paradoxical right?

Sure man, you are right, Hamas is great, and the Iranian regime too. Everything is caused by those evil Jews, that are so horrible. Anyway, where an Arab lives better than in tel Aviv, this horrible apartheid state? Maybe in Pakistan, where raping is legal and girls are sold? Seems a paradise. Poor Palestinian in tel Aviv, working as doctors and teachers , living with freedom and able to choose their sexual orientation without being killed. Seems horrible

You can see in raze that with the Muslims reasoning is impossible. Only the force works. They will cry and blame always, the center of their psyche is blaming west. Without west islam would be a paradise. But west is the obstacle to the muslim utopia. Some of them, those who are smart, realize the delusion and abandon islam. In Iran there are millions, it's quite dramatic in many cases because they have to deal with their families

@Raze Sure man. keeps watching Al Jaazera every day and believing that the West is to blame for the suffering of Islam, that paradigm of perfection and justice. As I said, you Muslims seem like a collective vulnerable narcissist. You can't see reality; you distort everything. I'll give you a clue to clear your mind: if you don't realize that Islam is an absolutely toxic ideology that leads to individual and collective disaster and absolute misery, you're totally lost, incapable of understanding anything. It's as if you were psychotic. From your psychosis, you think you see clearly, but you don't. You're living in a fantasy. Let's wait a year, we will see who's right. We will see if the Muslim countries go close Iran or maybe the regime of Iran falls. Just wait. Many millions would be very happy if the Iranian Muslim Utopia ends.

Agree, it's absolutely unfair, but inevitable. The Japanese children of Hiroshima weren't responsible for their country suffering from a collective delusional psychosis, but the bomb still fell. It seems that after that, the psychosis subsided.

I think that a point had to be reached where the population of Gaza deeply understood that the path we were following was a catastrophic mistake. Falling short in this demonstration would bring much more suffering and death than going even a little too far. Reaching a lukewarm agreement would have ensured the resurgence of extremism. Demonstrating a willingness to go to the end could prevent extremism from finding a foothold in which to grow. But it's possible it will. Palestinians are tenacious in their victimhood. They are like vulnerable narcissists who take no responsibility and blame all their problems on others. Pathological narcissism is only cured by real trauma. Perhaps therapy has been enough. We'll see. Another very important point has been bombing Iran. Just to showing that if Israel wants can collapse the whole country in a week without a single plane touched. All the Arabs country were watching, they pretended that was an equal battle, but deeply they know what happened. It's better for everyone be in good relationships, accept the situation, stop the obsession with Israel. Israel exist, period.

In my opinion, after giving it endless thought and watching thousands of videos from each side, I would say that Israel's attitude has been simply perfect. It was absolutely necessary to show real strength, absolute determination. To show the world that Israel is a rock that cannot be moved with force. If you try, the consequences will be devastating. No more nonsense. Israel is here to stay. Enough of this nonsense from governments advocating for Israel's disappearance. Now, this is completely clear. We are going to talk and reach an agreement. Palestinians, do you want to live a life or do you truly want to be martyrs for an impossible cause? If you want to live and look to the future, you can talk and reach an agreement. If you are going to promote hatred and martyrdom, remember Gaza. Simple and effective. Now all the Gulf countries are feigning indignation, but they feel respect, because it has been spoken in a language they understand. The future could be positive, but this was necessary.