Breakingthewall

It seems like the usual attitude of sadhguru, he treats people like children who are on a lower level who have to tell white lies to make them happy. In my opinion he is a narcissist who laughs at his own jokes and greatly enjoys the attention he receives.

Seems that the reality reflects on itself, thus creating the appearance of movement. a point moves relative to another point, then movement appears. They are really the same point, so there is no real movement, only apparent. Since reality has no limits, the points or facets of reality that create the appearance of movement are infinite. Each movement creates the movement of all other movements, all of them, infinitely, are synchronized with each other. This infinite synchrony can only be absolutely perfect and absolutely intelligent, since no point can be uncoordinated from the rest of the infinite points, it is absolutely impossible, therefore, this infinite kaleidoscope creates perfect appearances of infinite depth that are coordinated with other appearances. perfect ones of infinite depth at infinite levels without a micron of lack of coordination, since this would be infinite lack of coordination and is impossible, since the appearance of movement only occurs in relation to another movement, and if the coordination were not perfect, there would be no apparent movement, then, the apparent movement would begin and would be perfect, as it always is. The consequence of all this is that now I am typing on a phone

Thanks for the compliment. I think that anyone has his own path, but really it's only one destiny: The absolute vastness of existence, the freedom . It's nothing that you can learn, it's something that you have to do, then in my opinion listen to masters is toxic, all of them fill your mind with stories, no one is true, the only truth is the totality, and it can't be told.

Sure, you know my life perfectly. Maybe do you think I'm, let's say, an heretic? You think I'm doing wrong, right? Like I'm getting off track?. Do you perhaps think that someone who does that should be, let's say, banned? Maybe....repressed? For the good of the humanity , then that example does not spread? That way of thinking has been very common in history. You are very religious, absolutely close mind. It's impossible to talk with you, you are a fundamentalist, a believer Anyway, the absolute Is exactly this, here and now, but it's veiled by the self, the self is an energetic construction very difficult to overcome. I like to overcome it as much as I can and realize the absolute as deeply as i can. Why? Because it's real, it's the ultimate reality, and the freedom . I don't understand why you get so aggressive about that, it's just spirituality, nothing very special or different, it's very simple

Well, it's what I want. if you like more a religious approach, worship sadhguru, etc, you are free to do it, same than others prefer building a business empire or being bodybuilders. We are free, isn't wonderful?

To be open to the absolute. Its amazing that you don't understand that. I have a lot of post here because I like to talk about this topic, is that bad in your opinion ? Well.... anyway, empty mind means empty of human bias. Obviously I have human bias, but I clearly understand that the human bias is the door that closes. The question is: do you want to be open to the absolute, or do you want to be a missionary? It's very different. If you want to be a missionary, fight against human suffering, it's great, but the absolute encompass human suffering. From an absolute perspective, the extinction of the human kind in a nuclear apocalypse means the same than a bird flying. Just existence existing, cycles of creation and destruction.

Exactly, I don't know nothing. I don't think that reality is a false image, I just think that the mind must be absolutely empty. That means that there is the possibility that be a torturer is the best possibility. I don't have that inclination, but if you make differences between good and bad, then you are closed. It's pretty obvious btw, first step in spirituality. If Vlad tepes exist, it's because the reality is Vlad tepes. You don't like him? Well, you don't like the reality. Maybe you think that reality should be different, that's normal, it's what we call human ego.

That sounds like a biblical commandment to me. I would rather say: open yourself to the absolute and do what your conscience tells you, whether it is helping grandmothers or unleashing a nuclear apocalypse.

Reality is infinite, it means that never started. The relative is the absolute, nothing is finite, any finitude is just an appearance. It's impossible to know nothing because anything that you know is nothing. Those 84 universes are zero in comparison with the eternity. The eternity is those 84 multiplied by infinity. Infinity means total. Right now there are infinite universes, what means that any of those universe is nothing and same time the totality. It's the same an entire universe than a particle. Can't be otherwise, it's impossible. The mind can't understand or encompass, but can perceive itself, and itself is the reality

Once I met a guy who was 82 and he just arrived in a sail boat from south Africa to Guadalupe, in Caribbean, without stop with a woman who has 78. He was just a normal guy, nothing special, a human, I don't know, Magallanes circumnavigate the world, he was a normal guy, just an human, humans are quite hard. Some do things like the siege of Stalingrad and they enjoy, really. Some enjoyed the trenches in the first world war, read tempest of steel, of junger for example. Then , that of the motorbike with 65 is like go to have a coffee. Btw, that guy that you mentioned before , yogananda, died in the embassy of india in san francisco in a dinner of a heart attac, and they say that was mashamadi. Good resume in my opinion Anyway, that of the 84 universes seems to me a toxic listening that I want to forget as soon as possible. Mind has to be absolutely empty, not full of those crazy ideas.

Who knows, but sounds like religion, like he's trying to show that he knows the secrets of the cosmos to be idolized. In my opinion If someone do such assessment, he should explain very detailed how he arrived to that knowledge . But let's give him some possibilities of credibility

Yes but that about 84 times.... sounds like a joke. And before that 84 times?

Do you think that it's impossible that sadhguru is inventing that? Sound like a joke

Ultimately any of us is all the cycles of rebirth, then it's impossible that they ends because are infinite , how anything could end? As the op said, it would already ended infinite times in eternity

That's exactly the point. From a relative perspective, everything is evolving, cycles within cycles to infinity advancing towards unity, but unity is where they start from, so their progress is circular. from an absolute perspective there is no movement, but from a relative perspective it is, so the somewhat crazy point is, knowing that there really is no movement, to put all your vital energy into the evolutionary movement and do it like an art.

It's in my experience in some extent 24/7, and fully sometimes, I'm not talking about fantasies. Yoga could be useful for some people, it's not my way, same than reading books about spirituality or watching videos, for me are absolutely meaningless, even bit toxic. I can't read or listen them more than 3 minutes even I try. For me It's an absolute and unbearable loss of time, same than watch movies, series or read novels. I like to write here and change perspectives with people, it's my only spiritual let's say distraction

But you are 100% conscious of that you exist. About why you are in earth, from an infinite perspective, it's absolutely meaningless. It's just a relative fact among others infinite facts. It doesn't mean that you are not going to move, you will, but knowing that ultimately it's just an appearance. Well, ultimately we are in the ultimate truth. Of course anyone prefer to be rich and healthy than sick and miserable, but ultimately it's exactly the same. If you can access to the ultimate truth easily, everything flows better, even have chronic pain is still chronic pain

Yes, exactly, not the one who experiences. Just the existence.

Exactly, it's obvious. And it's more obvious if you realize that non existence is limited, because it excluded the existence. If there are no limits, existence exist, as it's the case

Manifestation is absolute in the sense that really it's the absolute existence, because everything is the absolute (absolute means that), but it's relative in the sense that it's an appearance relative to anothers appearances. The point here is realizing the absolute existence without the veil of the appearance. The appearance catch you and you get lost in the movement, then you can stop the appearance and realize what you are without it. The totality. It's not like the witness that is always there, it's an opening. The fact of the absence of limitations is what we are, but it's impossible to think, it's like an energetic openess that is possible to achieve in any moment. It's not void, or nothing, because it's full of existence, full of you, because you are that.

What I'm looking for is the stable realization of the absolute, but in the way any mental suffering has dissapear. The difference is huge. It's something amazing. I work long hours alone, and sometimes I do long car trips, etc. I realize that before I constantly had a vibration of suffering in the background, constantly, and punctually, many times every day, especially traveling alone, falling into mental loops of hate, negativity, and vibrations that literally made me sick . This has completely disappeared. not much. totally, it's zero. It's something I thought would be impossible, no matter how much I did. The cause of this has been the breaking of boundaries. Without limits, mental suffering fades and disappears.

How could what exist dissapear? The fact that there are no limits makes infinite existence inevitable. If it disappears, and as you say non-existence remains, it would automatically reappear, since non-existence does not exist. It would be like saying that in the middle of this message that I am writing, existence has disappeared and has reappeared 100 times, and in the middle there has been a period of non-existence. This period is nothing, not even an idea. Existence has no opposite, because non-existence does not exist. If the absence of limits makes existence exist and be infinite, it always exists and is infinite, without beginning or end. It is really immutable, since if you place yourself in the perspective of infinity, any mutation or movement is only apparent, there is no mutation because in infinity there can be no change or movement, since there is no reference point, the reference point would be another apparent change, so any movement is relative to another movement, but at an absolute level there is no real movement, only appearance, and there is no self that perceives the movement, the self is created by the apparent movement, then the self is just an appearance. What is the witness of the stillness? There in no witness without experience, and the experience is relative movement. The point is open yourself to the absolute perspective, it's not easy because we in the relative movement. If you do, you realize that you are the existence, not the perceptor, because perceptor and perception are the same, just apparent movement. Anyway, apparent movement is infinite, same than everything, then the apparent self or witness is also infinite, but it's just an appearance created by the apparent movement

Well....the cow. And his mother, as he said. Maybe he was deceived? Who knows, that about the netí neti always seemed to me a simplicity

What I am? The only possible answer is: the reality. Can't be: the unchanging awareness that perceives all that arises, because, what is "all that arises" ? Anything else? It's separate the perceiver than the perception? Are two different things? Then there is a center, a self who perceive? Again, the witness. Well, maybe it's a blasphemy, but what if Ramana maharshi was confused? Those assessment smell to mistake, to a self that is still there and is confused with the reality. Seems that Ramana never totally dissolved the self. Is that impossible? Maybe I'm an arrogant drug addict who does too much DMT and LSD, then I'm in a state of grandiosity and delirium, but look, that witness thing reeks of ego. there is no perception, perception is the illusion. Perception implies duality, without a doubt. Look at it with an open mind, who perceives? you? You are the total reality, it is impossible for it to be any other way, and the act of perceiving does not exist, there is only the act of being. reality is, and is infinite. The appearance it takes on in this concrete dimension, which is one among infinite ones, is that of a perceiver, a witness, but this is a mirage. The witness is within reality, the same as what is perceived, they are the same thing. Reality is the absence of limits, that is what you are, it is the only possible definition, no witness, no god, no conscience.

"You" "know" "conversation" , 3 things, the self, the action and the subject. This is the appearance. It's like saying: I am god creating the reality. It's a deception, it's relative. And actor doing an action with a result. It's the relative appearance that we try to trascending to realize the absolute.