Breakingthewall

Yes but that about 84 times.... sounds like a joke. And before that 84 times?

Do you think that it's impossible that sadhguru is inventing that? Sound like a joke

Ultimately any of us is all the cycles of rebirth, then it's impossible that they ends because are infinite , how anything could end? As the op said, it would already ended infinite times in eternity

That's exactly the point. From a relative perspective, everything is evolving, cycles within cycles to infinity advancing towards unity, but unity is where they start from, so their progress is circular. from an absolute perspective there is no movement, but from a relative perspective it is, so the somewhat crazy point is, knowing that there really is no movement, to put all your vital energy into the evolutionary movement and do it like an art.

It's in my experience in some extent 24/7, and fully sometimes, I'm not talking about fantasies. Yoga could be useful for some people, it's not my way, same than reading books about spirituality or watching videos, for me are absolutely meaningless, even bit toxic. I can't read or listen them more than 3 minutes even I try. For me It's an absolute and unbearable loss of time, same than watch movies, series or read novels. I like to write here and change perspectives with people, it's my only spiritual let's say distraction

But you are 100% conscious of that you exist. About why you are in earth, from an infinite perspective, it's absolutely meaningless. It's just a relative fact among others infinite facts. It doesn't mean that you are not going to move, you will, but knowing that ultimately it's just an appearance. Well, ultimately we are in the ultimate truth. Of course anyone prefer to be rich and healthy than sick and miserable, but ultimately it's exactly the same. If you can access to the ultimate truth easily, everything flows better, even have chronic pain is still chronic pain

Yes, exactly, not the one who experiences. Just the existence.

Exactly, it's obvious. And it's more obvious if you realize that non existence is limited, because it excluded the existence. If there are no limits, existence exist, as it's the case

Manifestation is absolute in the sense that really it's the absolute existence, because everything is the absolute (absolute means that), but it's relative in the sense that it's an appearance relative to anothers appearances. The point here is realizing the absolute existence without the veil of the appearance. The appearance catch you and you get lost in the movement, then you can stop the appearance and realize what you are without it. The totality. It's not like the witness that is always there, it's an opening. The fact of the absence of limitations is what we are, but it's impossible to think, it's like an energetic openess that is possible to achieve in any moment. It's not void, or nothing, because it's full of existence, full of you, because you are that.

What I'm looking for is the stable realization of the absolute, but in the way any mental suffering has dissapear. The difference is huge. It's something amazing. I work long hours alone, and sometimes I do long car trips, etc. I realize that before I constantly had a vibration of suffering in the background, constantly, and punctually, many times every day, especially traveling alone, falling into mental loops of hate, negativity, and vibrations that literally made me sick . This has completely disappeared. not much. totally, it's zero. It's something I thought would be impossible, no matter how much I did. The cause of this has been the breaking of boundaries. Without limits, mental suffering fades and disappears.

How could what exist dissapear? The fact that there are no limits makes infinite existence inevitable. If it disappears, and as you say non-existence remains, it would automatically reappear, since non-existence does not exist. It would be like saying that in the middle of this message that I am writing, existence has disappeared and has reappeared 100 times, and in the middle there has been a period of non-existence. This period is nothing, not even an idea. Existence has no opposite, because non-existence does not exist. If the absence of limits makes existence exist and be infinite, it always exists and is infinite, without beginning or end. It is really immutable, since if you place yourself in the perspective of infinity, any mutation or movement is only apparent, there is no mutation because in infinity there can be no change or movement, since there is no reference point, the reference point would be another apparent change, so any movement is relative to another movement, but at an absolute level there is no real movement, only appearance, and there is no self that perceives the movement, the self is created by the apparent movement, then the self is just an appearance. What is the witness of the stillness? There in no witness without experience, and the experience is relative movement. The point is open yourself to the absolute perspective, it's not easy because we in the relative movement. If you do, you realize that you are the existence, not the perceptor, because perceptor and perception are the same, just apparent movement. Anyway, apparent movement is infinite, same than everything, then the apparent self or witness is also infinite, but it's just an appearance created by the apparent movement

Well....the cow. And his mother, as he said. Maybe he was deceived? Who knows, that about the netí neti always seemed to me a simplicity

What I am? The only possible answer is: the reality. Can't be: the unchanging awareness that perceives all that arises, because, what is "all that arises" ? Anything else? It's separate the perceiver than the perception? Are two different things? Then there is a center, a self who perceive? Again, the witness. Well, maybe it's a blasphemy, but what if Ramana maharshi was confused? Those assessment smell to mistake, to a self that is still there and is confused with the reality. Seems that Ramana never totally dissolved the self. Is that impossible? Maybe I'm an arrogant drug addict who does too much DMT and LSD, then I'm in a state of grandiosity and delirium, but look, that witness thing reeks of ego. there is no perception, perception is the illusion. Perception implies duality, without a doubt. Look at it with an open mind, who perceives? you? You are the total reality, it is impossible for it to be any other way, and the act of perceiving does not exist, there is only the act of being. reality is, and is infinite. The appearance it takes on in this concrete dimension, which is one among infinite ones, is that of a perceiver, a witness, but this is a mirage. The witness is within reality, the same as what is perceived, they are the same thing. Reality is the absence of limits, that is what you are, it is the only possible definition, no witness, no god, no conscience.

"You" "know" "conversation" , 3 things, the self, the action and the subject. This is the appearance. It's like saying: I am god creating the reality. It's a deception, it's relative. And actor doing an action with a result. It's the relative appearance that we try to trascending to realize the absolute.

Awareness is an idea that describes the fact that there is a center of perception, me, and an external object that is perceived. Awareness is the the quality that I have to perceive reality. look: perceive reality. This implies two things, perceiving and reality. It is logical to think this way since our human experience consists of an external reality, sensory organs and a processor, the brain, that perceives. But if you go further, the only thing that remains is reality. perception and the perceived collapse and the self does the same. When you say: I am awareness, you are creating the self, the center of perception. this is the last door of the ego. That's why I said that awareness is an appearance, an idea that closes.

It's what you say. Maybe you are wrong. The experience is a veil very thick

You are talking in duality, I understand that there is me, the awareness and the object, but this is an appearance, my reaction is because you are a bitter person who use the sarcasm and superiority and it's extremely unpleasant to interact with you.

Awareness means nothing , it's a duality. In one side is the reality, and in another the awareness of reality. The reality is self aware, the awareness is a redundancy. Try to use those sarcastic words with people who are close to you, with your mother for example. Sure she will appreciate it. Ah, then there are two things, the dream in one side, and me in another, and I am the awareness. Then the dream is not me?

Ultimately there is not knower, and there is not the fact of known. Any knower or anything that you know are appearances. The point is realizing the absolute, it's extremely difficult, at least for me, it's like a revelation that happens, but after you enter again in the dimension of the movement, and know is a movement. you can intuit the absolute ,but not fully realize, except in some moments. The absolute is the total infinity, it's not something like awareness, consciousness, god. Those things happen in the absolute, are appearances....it's the totality, it's a thing that you think: ok, kill me, it's ok to disappear, everything is just an illusion, I don't need it anymore, no more movement, for all the eternity, I'm one with myself, absolutely complete, total. But then the movement catch you, its inevitable.

There are infinite other constructions of reality. They are all the total infinity in infinite forms, it cannot be encompassed or understood, it is impossible, the appearance can be dissolved and be the absolute, but the infinite appearances cannot be understood, because it is the appearance that understands, not the absolute. The absolute is beyond understanding, understanding occurs in it, all manifestations, which are infinite in infinite dimensions, occur spontaneously and inevitably in the absolute, just because it's infinity. The absolute does not create them, it has no will, the will occurs in it, it is one of its infinite manifestations. You cannot understand the absolute because understanding is a construction, the same as will, intelligence , creation and absolutely everything. inevitable constructions that unfold infinitely. The point is that it's impossible to perceive the absolute from the understanding, the intelligence, the will, the movement, the creation. All of them appears in the absolute, then can't encompass it. Only the absolute can encompass the absolute

My peace in life is very close to absolute. I'm not talking about peace, productivity, relationship, love, etc. I'm in the top, everything flows like silk. I'm taking about absolute openess, it's different. It's open the human, remove all the barriers and be the absolute infinity. Do you think that you understand what I'm talking about? I'd say that no.

Yes, seems that you ve read adyashanti and that.

Yes, I also need to eat food for survive, but the point is that ultimately there is not outside. Everything is inside.

Awareness mans nothing , what is awareness? Just an idea. The reality now is the appearance of movement, you can realize that this movement is apparent, anyway, you have to move with all your energy, if not you go to the hell, it's like the configuration of infinity for the very fact of being infinite

A timeline is something that go from a point to another point, progress , movement. Any movement is a construction. The thing is crazy and scary, you have to break the appearance, you can't keep anything with you, because you have to dissapear, you is a construction, that you that is always here, so familiar, has to die, and that you has to say: let's die, it's so funny. Then the infinity manifest. Who can do that without drugs? Seems impossible