Breakingthewall

I think that life is mystic. Ashram or anything is the same. And it's the same psychedelics and sober, the distinction between external and internal is mental, when you open yourself there is not external, psychedelic are internal, same than everything else. There are a lot of things great in the limited, like friendship, love, adventure, risk, fight ,sex, the blue sky and she open sea. The point is taste the unlimited so many times until you see that the limited is unlimited.

The problem is that who wants to forget the self is the self. Difficult, it's like little by little file the bars of your prison, but you are the prison. At some point you realize that the act of filing makes the bars thicker. It is a difficult art, fine intuition is required

I never talked about god, not even once, I'm absolute sure that god is just an idea. For me the thing is not a realization, is an openess. In a given moment all your mental barriers are dissolved and you are open to your true nature, the absolute reality. You can't think in it or remember it, it's a real thing, not an idea. Then, if the next day the barriers are up again, you are closed. You could conceptualize the openess, but you are still close. The only thing that you could do is try to be open again. Intelligence is needed to understand what closes, what are the mental barriers. It's a subtle thing. Not for me, for me the point is be open to the absolute unlimited. Outside or inside means nothing. As time progresses and openness becomes something more normal for you, you are all the time in a state of certain openness, you perceive yourself as existence and you do not fall into the traps of the self all the time, but this does not mean that If tomorrow they tell you that you have stage 3 melanoma, it doesn't matter to you. You are walking between two lands, one the absolute, the other the relative. You can shift from one to the other at any time. If you enter a dense mental loop, you will be in it, it does not matter if half an hour before you were completely open. The longer the time of opening, the more your psyche gets used to the mental frequency necessary to be open to the absolute, and the easier it is to be in it, but it is not something permanent that happens for a moment and you are always there. I guess that it's possible that in a given moment you are almost always open to the absolute. It's depends in certain extent in your focus. If you are interested in worldly things it's more difficult, but for me worldly things are interesting. Why not to enjoy them? There would be time to be a total mystic, or maybe no, it's not necessary. The thing for me is walk in a intermedium point. It's very challenging, like a game, you have to be subtle, sharp your understanding to the maximum.

I'm not sure, you can meditate and be totally open to yourself a while but after you could enjoy of the external things. Really, nothing is external, everything is the reality, then there are many things that you could like, see the beauty in nature, do any sport, do business, have sex, communicate with people , etc. the point is not doing as a drug because you need just because you like. You could like DMT , or anything else. I guess that if you shift to the absolute more and more and for you is the main reality and the form has less importance, you would be less and less interested in the "external", but for me a balance is better I mean that in comparison with infinity it's the same to know your 750 past lives as sadhguru or knowing what you dinner yesterday

Reality is happening, is not taking it seriously or not seriously because it's not anyone. Osho identifies the reality with someone or something who plays, then he don't understand what reality is. I think it's a big difference, but anyway, maybe he means anything else

@Princess Arabia @bambiits the moment of the trial by combat. Only one can be right: who survives

For example, me in some moments I fished with a harpoon snorkeling, then I would get into the water, and I would do the " bad" during some hours. I tried to show no mercy, since it seemed like I should, but I really didn't like the feeling at all. I liked the search, the hunt, but I didn't like the act of killing at all, in fact it seemed miserable and disgusting to me. It was definitely "bad". I really feel those fishes as brothers, but even that I killed them , because if not I should be vegetarian , and Im not.

Just trying to understand if really something could be defined as bad. Let's say that bad would be when you go against other will. If anything has will of survive and you kill, you are acting "bad", of is has will to be free and you enjail, etc. Then in relationship with other being with will you could be bad, and there is no good in deep, you are "bad", and being bad is power, because you are exercising power over others. In human society they try to make this disappear, but there is a lot of "bad", and in the past were basically everything bad. Just power relationships

But then, everything that has form and wants to live is "bad", because it's selfish. Then it's going to kill if it's necessary. But that doesn't mean that's bad, bad is just a human concept that comes from the idea of what we don't like that happens to us. Bad is anything that we don't like, good, what we like. Destroy seems bad, because we don't want be destroyed. Then we perceive as bad anything that is destructive, and if it's something that has an ego who "knows" what's is bad and good, it's evil, bad and intentionally bad....but the thing is that bad is just an idea

If the reality is formless is beyond good and bad, it's good is the sense that nothing bad could happen, same than the stone, is good because can't be bad, then "good" really means nothing. Then yes, everything is good. Something could appears as bad, even it's good is essence, because good is just absence of "bad"

Also could be said that this person is just hate. Absence of love, a hole of negativity. Then, commit suicide because that. There are millions. It's a dark reality.

Why no selfish is good? Is a stone good? Is not selfish, but good? In what sense?

There is people self destructive who hates themselves. You could say that they are "sick", that they shouldn't be like that, but the fact is that they exist.

Anyway, is reality playing, as Osho said? It's just happening because is unlimited. It's just existing, and existing is this. Playing implies desire. Desire ties you in the self. The absolute glory of reality is less than playing, it's nothing, just existing. Then it's infinitely more, it's everything. Then Osho probably is closed to the absolute . Or maybe he means that playing is just existing? Could be, but seems that playing is something that the self does

Yes, and maybe a quite wide openness full time. being open to the reality is something that at first 3 seconds is very challenging, then little by little is getting easier. Maybe in some point you are absolutely open full time.

Almost nobody wants enlightenment, because for that you have to pass through the absolute nihilism. After the absolute nihilism absolute existence opens itself, but first you have to drop everything. You can't pass through the door with any single milligram of self. God, creation, intention, evolution , purpose, are self. Are too tempting to drop them, the self always want keep a bit of each one.

From their perspective was good, because for the gene is good . For them it strengthens the energy of the tribe, always in danger of death, and weakens the energy of the adversaries. For the gene, all others are enemies, the strong live, the weak die, that is the only law. Now the gene does not have that priority since its path is not tribal struggle, so what seemed good before is now horrible.

Exactly, at the end enlightenment is just something relative, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, it's just something that we do to have a better experience, but we are (as you use to say) absolutely nothing, just an appearance

@KoryKatagree in many things but I don't agree In two things that are one: Infinity can't be linear in the sense of a linear movement, because this movement is already done infinitely. Then any movement must be cyclical because it's not real movement, it's a circle that ends in the same point where it begun Same. Not evolution can be real, in infinity there are not points, then the beginning and the end are the same, no real movement. If you think that there is evolution, the door is closed. Seems banal, but it's essential. It's extremely counterintuitive because it is exactly the opposite direction of ego functioning, but it is necessary to see it

Reality is the total unlimited that exists, that is, you, or me. It is absolute and it is total, it is inevitable. exists. do you want to perceive it? It's simple, it's you. But to perceive yourself first you must breaking your limits. The fact is that no movement can exist without anything external to that movement, since any movement is by definition relative, it exists only by contrast with an external object. Reality, given its absence of limits, looks at itself, and its reflection is infinite. There are not many relative movements, there are infinite ones. Within each of them, there are infinite movements. inside and outside is just an idea, in infinity the part and the whole are the same. All movement is cyclical since it is not real, it does not go anywhere, it exists only in relation to another movement. Each movement or experience is all it can be, its tendency is toward openness, and it is perfectly organized as it exists in coordination with infinite movements or experiences. Nothing can be uncoordinated because if so it simply would not appear. Everything is appearance, nothing is real in essence as form or movement since without another contrasting movement it is nothing. everything is an inevitable mirage that occurs infinitely, eternally. Each breath of infinity creates infinite reflections that expand infinitely, then contract and disappear, since they are nothing, just reflections. Only the substance is real, since the substance is reality, and it is very simple to perceive, it is here, it is you. You are me, I am you, a single thought consists of infinite synchronous movements that unfold in infinite butterfly effects in infinite dimensions. They all collapse in you, in reality. Everything is a game of mirrors that is never repeated since any repetition breaks the synchrony. perfection is total and inevitable. but it is only appearance, reality is immutable, here and now. Do you dare to look at it, to look at yourself? It's total.

Not so easy. A long path is needed. There are plenty of hidden shit in you, primordial fear, attachment, rejection, hate, lie... A beautiful panorama that you have to see in all it's magnificence. Then face the fear to the void, to the meaningless, the loneliness, the absolute nihilism, then be able to be absolutely honest with yourself and open yourself to yourself without reservation. Then, those ideas like: be on silent in the now and that's it, remember to me that quote of Mike Tyson: everyone has a plan until they get a punch

@cjoseph90 another thing that is needed, In addition to an intellectual understanding of the relative and the self that makes the dissolution of this possible, it is the total opening of the mind to the unconscious. The unconscious and the conscious must be fused, there must be no unconscious. Imo the only reliable way to do this is with psychedelics. You have to do psychedelics so many times until it's something like, ah, okay, a Tuesday afternoon. This occurs because there is no unconscious to reveal, it is already on the visible level all the time. but this alone is not enough. Without adequate logical intellectual understanding, you fall into dead-end paths (god, creation, increased ego, etc.)

Not true, it doesn't depends of that, depends of the density of your ego and of the understanding of the relative mind. You could be full of shit thinking in a lot of problems and in a given moment decide to break your structure and open yourself to the absolute perspective. It's like a skill, something that it's possible to learn. But the ego must be thin, no lies in you, conciouss and unconciouss always merged. No lies doesn't mean happiness, you could be worry about many relative things in a obsessive level, but be able to make a break and make all that worries lighter, but still existing, in a relative level

You have to distinguish between the relative and the absolute. In the relative there is meaning and goal, but they are relative, in the absolute ,no meaning or goal. So, I, who live in the relative, make it my goal today to open myself for a while to the absolute. Why? because I like it and it's necessary for my balance. So, I focus on an absolute perspective, since I know how to do it, and the relative reality dissolves for a while and I am one with the bottomless existence. Then I go out into the street and try to have sex with two models at the same time if possible (well I don't try but just because i know the result ). the half gram of cocaine not because it seems like a very stupid drug to me, but a little bit of lsd and a few hits of dmt during, wouldn't be bad

That means that for you, the reality wants to have an experience, then it created the karma to achieve it. This mental path closes. If you want to be open, even for 5 seconds, you should drop any meaning and purpose. Meaning and purpose are relative, then ties you in the relative. From an absolute, infinite perspective, nothing mean nothing. Osho and Hitler and a worm are the same.