Breakingthewall

If the absolute have a will, then would be relative. The absolute is not something definite who has a will, is the existence. That's impossible, nothing can be momentary or limited. What's happening is the existence flowing, and in this precise moment has the form of a human, it has infinite forms, and all of them are the same substance, the existence. This now is that heaven that you mentioned, only that seems other thing, like suffering or anything else, but suffering is that heaven that you mentioned too.

I think that this happen just because humans are a hive entity, not individuals like a cat, we are like gears of the collective matrix. Maybe in other universes there are forms much more complex and deep Ok, but then, who stops reincarnating? All the existence for ever? It's impossible because there is form.

Who wants? Things happen because they can happen, what "you" are is the substrate of the form, the material, the substance, but also the form. The dream is not a dream, is the flow of the reality, dream implies a dreamer and that's impossible, there is not a director because it would be a limit of the limitless. I ve read, it's relatively easy to achieve with meditation, you are what exist. But then the form catch you up again and again because you have this genetical programming. The only possible end that I see is that you totally realize that you are what is, then you place yourself in the existence and not in the manifestation of the existence, then you are more or less indifferent to the form and focused in the substance. Then for you it's the same if there is reincarnation or anything, there is always existence, and you are that, then the person dilute and the existence remains. For you life and death are the same, human life, memory, other people, body, 5 senses, all of that is secondary, irrelevant, you are what is

As I see it, from an absolute perspective there is no free will, everything that happens is reality reflected in itself to infinity perfectly coordinated, but from a relative perspective there is. Let's see, I, who am a relative entity, want to free my mind, so I make a series of movements and efforts in that direction and I achieve it, so apparently I have free will, but from an absolute perspective that desire is an apparent reality, a current of energy that is another reflection of reality infinitely reflecting itself, occurs because it is in synchrony with the infinite, it is an inevitable movement, but this from a relative perspective does not mean anything, both perspectives cannot be mixed, since when you are relative you are relative, so the best thing is to develop your full potential without thinking that developing it or not is predestined from the absolute.

I'd like a lot to see you enjailed a box of 2X1x1 at 45 c, for two years for example, full of mosquitoes and rats, being so happy. Where is the difference between fake reality or real reality? Just in your perspective. Happiness, hate, fight, peace, there is no difference, all of them are the reality. You could place yourself in the substance of the hate and you could perceive that it's just existence, like everything else, but still hate exist . If there is an infestation of rats that transmits the pest you will hate them and want to destroy them. That's just existence, inevitable

It's an interesting game that demands all our mental capacity if you want accept the challenge and you want to place yourself completely outside the herd. If your goal is to fit in and you succeed, then you don't need to think much, in fact it is better not to do it at all, but if you want to understand the whole move and play it your way you have to work hard. Behind every interaction, desire, tendency, there are atavistic forces that drive you. The depth of our conditioning is more than it seems.

Spirituality always says: love and happiness good, hate and sadness bad. What happens to hate and sadness? Aren't they part of reality? and war and the struggle for reproduction? Shouldn't they exist? So why do they exist? Because the bad men do it while the baby Jesus cries? No, the thing is different. Reality is how it it's and it's exactly the same if you are Jesus or Hitler, for reality is no difference. Who wants to open itself to the unlimited is the ego, just because want to be happy and not afraid of death, then the ego can do it, but it's nothing "special", is just the reality, same that Auschwitz

It's inevitable, it's what evolution of the species demand. Reproduction and survival. The gene doesn't care about fun, just about what is more practical

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead.

@Javfly33 Let's say that the idea that all beings tend toward unity and dissolution after multiple incarnations is true. perhaps there are still several million incarnations missing in literally unimaginable dimensions. Why this thing about being human, which seems like something quite incomplete, defective, is going to be the last stage? I'm afraid not, being human is something very limited.

If you see that you are not the form, then it's the same if the form that seems to be you now dissapear or not. It's the form who wants to finish the cycle of reincarnations, but that form is nothing, just a reflection of the absolute, and are infinite reflections, then it's irrelevant if you reincarnate or not because you are just a form, and are other infinite forms that are you because you are everything.

Then it's not infinitely fragmented, because infinite means no finish, if it's going to finish is finite.

Very interesting, I'm going to try to get it. Thanks!

Really nobody. I did salvia 2 months ago and had no effect, but just when I smoke in the bong I remember the effect of the two times that I did and I felt panic. Salvia is extremely challenging, much more than 5 meo, DMT or LSD. It's in another level. Let's do salvia 😅. The only problem is that doing it alone is dangerous

Because circumstances of my life I always got attracted by the challenge. Then something like this was impossible to ignore, became an obsession

I don't compare myself with the people, I just try to have the best time possible and really I need the people, I can't live alone, without women, friends, it's sad. Also I like the money . Then, let's dance as good as it's possible. It's not easy, of course

Good report! We have to achieve that in a sober way and it's very possible. what we are behind the appearance is the total brilliance of existence. total unlimited freedom. By the way, for that guy it was easy to do 5meo dmt, for me it was horrible. The firsts lot of times I did it was more horrible each time, until I got used to how horrible it was. horrible like being trapped motionless in eternity in a prison of absolute horror, a cosmic gong that resonates like a definitive sentence of eternal horror. It was something so horrible that it seemed like a joke. But same time the attraction was irresistible, it became an obsession. I managed to do up to 4 full doses in one day, in the end I managed to open the reality, it was her or me 😅

Well, you could try to give your best and that includes being grateful for the human effort that keeps you alive. Human world may be selfish, mean, dirty or whatever, but it keeps you alive, it is true that you have not chosen to belong to this mud called humanity, but here you are. Anyway, I say that but really I think that human society in unbearable 🤣. Who cares about being alive? Better be free short time than prisoner 90 years

The choice you have is basically zero, which is why you could say that you really are unreal as a self. Everything is interconnected, it is impossible not to be like this, and "everything" is infinite, therefore, each atom that moves generates infinite butterfly effects that affect all of infinity. Relatively you are infinitely limited, your will points in one direction, but "your will" is simply another relative manifestation of reality, like breathing or whatever. It occurs coordinated with the infinite, it is not yours, the sensation that it is yours is another emergence of infinite reality. you as a self really are an illusion and you have no free will. Still, you have to keep pushing, you can't avoid, even it's not you who pushes

Reading this it came to mind because in India there is a real spiritual tradition and in Europe there is not. If in India 2000, or 1000, or 100 years ago you made the decision to go to the forest and live with nothing, people would leave you alone or help you, respecting you like a mystic In Europe they would look at you like a crazy person, the children of the nearest town would go throw stones at you, you would run the risk of being enslaved and if there was an epidemic or a problem they would say it was your fault and they would torture you or burn you alive. Europe is a land of spiritual repression, largely thanks to Jesus, the messenger of love 😅😅 And this is because in the message of Jesus, evil is hidden. The worst evil is surrounded of truth. Hes message implies: if you are not "good" you will go to hell. Demon son of a bitch servant of the darkness 🤣

I don't know a lot neither, I just read many times that Buddha used to say that the goal is the end of dukka or suffering, and the end of the whell of reincarnations, because relative existence is dukka, a shit.

Yes, human suffering is intimidating, and it is normal to try to escape from it, but I believe that doing so is a negative approach that leads nowhere. It seems like Buddhism is like that right? seek the end of suffering, stop reincarnations. It's an escape, it can't work. The approach that works is the positive one, opening to what you are, whatever that is and whether it entails suffering or not. open to reality, without fear or expectations, just for the fact that it is reality

🤣 Maybe was the spirit of waterclosetheriver, he's zen and also German, I'm sure he walks around with a stick Anyway glad to know

Yes but there is also the limited state, that's human life. You can deny it and become a monk or you can be involved in the human thing. For me becoming a monk has a component of deep hypocrisy, because they live of the human suffering isolated in a bubble. For their monastery to exist, generations of humans have fought and suffered, worked hard, raised children, created technologies, fought in wars, so that they can sit comfortably meditating saying that human life is despicable, eating free food and sleeping in free beds and being protected from the savagery of life in a free way.

Yeah, It sounds like the typical spirituality of: I'm afraid of life so I isolate myself in my spiritual bubble and castrate myself.