Breakingthewall

You do not remember what you were before you were born or in deep sleep because who remembers is the relative self, and it simply did not exist before you were born and in deep sleep it is deactivated. If you are able to see through the relative self, you perceive what you are as absolute, the totality of existence, then you know what you were before you were born, the same as what you are now, the total existence. The relative self is the barrier that veils the perception of the absolute, to perceive the absolute the relative self must stop temporarily, then reality is perceived in the absolute perspective, without dimension

I'm putting in words what I experienced and understood when I totally stop my mind, not what I learned. I totally understand what you mean with love, but it's still in the relative. Your feelings are not the absolute, are relative to that song or to something else. The love is made of the material of the absolute, like the hate, but realizing the absolute needs a step back

You could call it love but for me that's not totally exact. If you totally empty your mind means that there is not relative anymore, then the absolute can manifest. Really the relative is the absolute, but as it has many facets and over all as we as a human have bias against the "negative", we perceive it veiled, blocked. The absolute is the totality of existence without form, the absolute potential. This is the absolute will of existing, that is the same than existence, that has positive push because it has not opposite, that you call love, but love is not that imo, not exactly. When leo say: it's love because it's unity, thats wrong , it's still bias against separation. It's not unity, it's totality, there is a nuance. The absolute is the being that emerges from the absence the limits, and that's what we are. That is everything that was, is or will be, in it everything is included, and there is not inside or outside, not part and whole, because it's infinite. Infinite has not dimension, it's not big, huge, or anything, is just infinite, without dimension, the dimensions happen in it. Then people say, the relative is an illusion, a dream. It's totally misleading, because relatively it's real. Relative is relative, and that's it, can't not be because there are not limits that prevent that the absolute reflects in itself infinitely creating infinite appearances, then they are. They could say: they happen just in your mind, then they are a dream. But inside of your mind is the same than outside, a thought is the same than a stone, they are reflections of the infinity that creates perfect forms in perfect balance

You are mixing the absolute and the relative. That way never works. The brain exist, obviously, like the earth, atoms and everything. They are the relative manifestations of the absolute. The spirituality that deny the relative, the science (ejm leo ) , is incomplete, just a way to feel superior with a shortcut that leads nowhere. A though is as real as a stone, it's a relative structure. If you want to really open yourself to the absolute, you have to make your mind more plastic and abandon those ideas about the thoughts and that

@James123 in deep sleep you dissapear because your brain stops. Your brain is the relative experience, that has a beginning and and end, but you are the absolute are not just that, this is a manifestation of the absolute. The absolute is the whole, then when you are in deep sleep I'm awake, I'm another facet of you, but you can't see it because you are attached to the relative you, that's why you say that about deep sleep, because you can't detach yourself from the relative. The absolute is the substance of the reality, has no dimensions, it's the being, the source of the dimensions. To realize it you have to turn off the relative, that of deep sleep is in the relative realm

Sure, then let's someone torture you with fire for a while and ignore it

Illusion is a misleading word that the "spiritual" people use to make the others feel that they are very special and know something very mysterious. There is not illusion, there is relative perspective, the experience. When they say: you don't exist brother! You are dreaming!!!! You Could translate it as: I'm a looser that want to be special. It's so annoying, spirituality is something real, but that shit is a big hindrance because the people is full of ego For now for me the best way to describe the thing is that there are two perspectives, one relative, the experience, that is perception, what means that is relative to other things. And another the absolute perspective, that is what you are without relationship with anything else. What you are without relationship with anything else is not silence, or deep sleep or that things that means nothing, is existence, the totality. The totality exist because has not opposite, non existence doesn't exist, then the totality exist always, out of the time. The totality has a character, it's not neutral, because there is not balance between existence and non existence, because only existence exist, then it's positive push, that's why there are infinite big bangs and that. You are that and everything is that, inside your mind is the totality of the existence, and you are inside of the totality of existence, inside and outside and equal in infinity, same than the part and the whole. If you want to see what you are, you have to totally empty your mind until even the feeling of you body dissapear, absolutely nothing, totally void, then what existence is is manifested

Deep sleep is just a mental idea, same than death or birth. If your memory is totally erased, where is deep sleep?

Always is identification with the body because the body exist. If they roast you in a grill for 3 days you will see. Openness to the absolute is just that, openenss. Then, from that openenss you align the relative as much as you can, but the relative is real, you can't scape from it. Everything is the absolute, and everything is relative to another relative reflection, that's how the reality is.

Sometimes I try to understand logically the structure of the relative reality and sounds weird but i think it's interesting too, and necessary to remove barriers imo. Another times like above I talk about direct experience of opening, then sounds different. I achieve it really, but sometimes not , and if you don't do in a couple of days you are out. this is an ascendent movement with some moments of getting down to go upper next. Up in the sense of more clean openess.

You have to polish te human structure until it's as aligned as is possible . A lot of small changes must be done. That about saying that from an absolute perspective is the same being Hitler or Buda is in the absolute, but we are in the relative, I don't want a nightmare of madness

If you manage to open yourself totally to the absolute that is, game over from an absolute perspective. Then you have to align the relative more and more, as much as you can in this life

The point is to open yourself to the absolute as many times as you can. It is not love, it is the absolute without opposite, it is total existence that has no beginning or end, and although it does not move or have dimensions, it has a positive thrust: it is. it is being, existence. then you begin to see more clearly in your daily life and interpret the signals that appear, you begin to see where you were blind before, to understand the flow

Seems very interesting, I don't discard the possibility that the guy is real, let's see if one day I can overcome the resistance that I feel everytime that I listen him

What we are trying to understand is the infinity, what we are. Solipsism say that the things that you perceive are "mental" then aren't real, only you are real, and this is totally false. That you that perceives is created by the reflection of the reality in itself. What we are is the reality, but this reality has infinite shapes, relative structures, and the solipsist I is the structure not the reality . Mental and real are the same, inside and outside are equal, inside of your mind is the infinity, then everything that appears in your mind is itself infinite. Is the same if it's a person or an energetic vibration that you call thought, it's a fragment of infinity, then it's the totality of the reality. Solipsism say: you experience is absolute. And obviously, you experience is relative. Solipsism say that is relative to your own mind. But it's nonsensical because your own mind is infinite, then contains the infinity reflected infinitely. You are both, a single reflection and the totality same time, like everything else, because it's infinite

I don't doubt of the will of sadhguru, but he has a point ....let's say that his discourse, what it projects, does not point towards freedom, the total opening of the mind, the liberation of the ego, but rather it points towards supernatural ideas, the liberation of karma, reincarnation and everything that no one knows if it is real or not. . what is real is what you are and the potential for purity, for openness to the intelligence of reality, for total sovereignty over yourself. It seems that sadhguru wants to grant himself that sovereignty. But maybe it's just an misunderstanding because I don't understand him deep enough

each micro gesture points in a certain direction. each word has an infinite butterfly effect. The monstrously large entity that is the collective ego, which draws its power from all of humanity's processing capacity, which is genetically encoded, has tides and currents, like geological movements. You are part of that, every communication, word, gesture, feeling, connection with another person reverberates in infinity. spread what you want to collect, it's all you

The point is that suffering is a relative feeling. It is an evolutionary tool that makes individuals of a species move in the most optimal direction. Just as the sensation of pain makes an animal move away from fire, the ego, which is a sentient living being, uses suffering to point in the optimal direction. Suffering is terrible for those who suffer, seeing how your children are tortured is terrible, absolute suffering for a mother, but it is absolutely nothing for a sheep. And from an absolute perspective is just existence. Suffering is absolute glory, same than anything, because it exists. Is bad from a relative perspective because it's a vibration programmed by evolution to say: move away from that, and its designed by the intelligence of the reality to be impossible to ignore. You can totally trascend the suffering if you become absolute. A real mystic has not attachment, then he doesn't suffer. He is not in the earth anymore, is in the eternity, and for the eternity suffering is nothing special because everything is existence. Suffering is just an human tool to evolve as a society, belongs to the matrix of the ego. Sounds impossible right? That being tortured or see how the people that you love is tortured is the same than everything else, but from the absolute it is. That's why enlightenment is fucking difficult

Almost sure that's right. Then when they say that you could finish the cycle being human, maybe they are overestimating what's being human, or underestimating the possibilities of existence

Maybe it's like that but then all the well of reincarnation starts in one point, the absolute, and finish in the same point, that means that it will restart again. Then there is not end of the well, is ending of one cycle, but ultimately you are what exist, and the cycles can't finish. About sanchita karma, let's see, if In some moment the cycle began, it was absolutely basic, then, where is the difference between any sanchita karma and another? Seems like trying to grab personality, identity. About only humans can be conscious, maybe in this dimension, but could be many other dimensions much more conscious, and being human is just a step, not the end of the well.

I think that is because it's extremely difficult stop the identification with the relative self, then you can't even imagine the reality without this, but in another hand all the traditions talk about reincarnation, then maybe it's real in a sense, like the master lines of your structure restart again like an evolutive path

Agree, that about the dream, illusion, is misleading and a lie. You could call it maya, relative perspective or anything, but it is, and as it is it's real. Saying that you don't exist makes no sense and it's psychotic, because who says that is that you that supposedly doesn't exist

But who reincarnates? The relative you is a creation, is defined by genetic, environment, perception, experience. If all that ends, what remains? Just existence, but existence is everything.

For me enlightenment is when the form disappears and what there is is a total openness to being. Being is absolute, it only flows in one direction, the direction of existing, and it is total. It's like an absolute brilliance that totally bursts forth. What becomes obvious is that what veils our perception of ourselves is what is perceived as negative, but from an absolute perspective, the negative is also positive because it exists. There is only one category: existence. then your being opens completely and what you are outside of time manifests, since it is the same as you, me, a rat or a stone. There is only existence, and it is total, and you are that. That's it, game over. I think you could call it totally bliss.

The thing is that from a relative perspective you are this concrete experience, and from an absolute perspective you are everything, you are the being . Then, who reincarnates? The being? The being is already everything. Then who reincarnates is the relative you, but the relative you is a relative construction like any other relative construction, then when dissapear, dissapear. It's very difficult to see because it's difficult to remove the indetification with this experience.