Breakingthewall

That's the point. But there is a problem, it's impossible to empty yourself. You could try for 100 years meditating that it doesn't going to happen, never. The only way to empty yourself is the openess. It happens is a second. When your mind is open, there are not Limits. If there are not limits, everything of the self expands to infinity and dissapear. There is not more emotional charge, not a mental world because in the openess it fades and dissapear. This happen in an instant, it's not a process

Then you understand the difference between open and close. If there is mental world with emotional charge, you are closed, I don't mean the world that we imagine, the earth and that, I mean your mental history, seeing yourself as a timeline . If you don't see yourself as a timeline, if you have no past , not history with emotional charge, and no future, nothing about you that is running in your mind about your future, just the now, and in the now the only emotion that is happening is openess, then you are open . I didn't say that you aren't, I said that if you are the thing of the mental bubble is obvious

There is something absolutely real, the existence. What appears in existence is the same, but if you are open to the existence there is not doubt that it's real. What is illusion is the emotions, the thoughts, the mental world that we create, that must dissapear. The only thing that is real is the existence, that is the absolute. You could be open to that full time, it's like have your heart open, your mind open, then the reality is clear, obvious.

Y Wrong, I'm totally open now. Sometimes I get closed again. Be open is having an unlimited mind, without any self reflection. It needs, the psyche is a bubble that can be desintegrate. You don't understand it because you never did, if not you would understand what I mean I broke the bubble and then the bubble returns a lot of times. Sometimes I am hours and hours without bubble, in total openess, other times the bubble returns and I got in the mental loop again. Believe me, I know it perfectly because a reason: my mental loop is hell, it's like an ocd of hate. It could be in background, but always there, dense, intense, never stops. Then in a moment it's broken. In an instant the limits dissapear and I'm not myself anymore, it's openess. It could be 2, 3 days lately . Then in a moment the bubble returns, and it's absolutely impossible to get out of it at will, even for 1 second. I spent many years in the bubble, then I know exactly and without the slightest doubt when the bubble is broken, believe me, it's absolutely real

What i see is that any feeling or thought that is not openess is something that is creating the self. It's the same good or bad, for example being in love is "good" but is creating the self, because implies possession. Only the total openess is the real thing, and the total openess is an homogeneous feeling, you feel it for everything, but the people is close and it's difficult to communicate with them, only few are open, with an empty mind. Empty not is the sense of silent , but without emotional charge. Any emotional charge about anything is closeness, it's grabbing an handle that keep us prisoner. The emotional charge is what creates the self, and the self is the separation. The change from being in the self, trapped in the emotional, or being open, absolutely free, is something that happens in a Instant. In moment you are open and you are totally out of the psyche, of the emotional, the good and bad. You are absolutely simple, just open, nothing more. But it's easy to fall again in the self mode, because almost everybody is in that mode. The relationship with the others is what makes you get in the self mode because are those relationship what created the self, then you have to be able to be absolutely open with the others to prevent that they close you

It's something that happens little by little, every day a bit more, one day a moment, another day more, a path that is becoming wider. There is not a liberation that happens and you are free, are thousands of liberation that are becoming more normal,clearing the residue of attachment. It is something very difficult, it requires a very clear intuition. Who is totally free of his limits all time? Sure there are people, but I don't know anyone, those gurus that are famous, I'd say no one of them Yes , always saying that, but you are closed in a mental bubble, what we are trying to do is breaking that bubble, its something real. It's not the same closed Bubble that openenss.

No way! we are sharpening our mind so that it cuts like a razor blade. Don't you hear how it sharpens? every moment a little sharper, until it can cut the reality

Well, all revolutions were made more or less like this, and all had a role in human evolution. In humanity nothing ever happens without being surrounded by shit

@Javfly33 As an example, the autobiographical book Storms of Steel. The guy spent 4 years in the First World War and he thought it was something sublime. He was in the Battle of the Somme, where on the first day there were 100,000 casualties, and it seemed like pure poetry to him. He was wounded 11 times, then became friends with Hoffman and became a pioneer of psychedelics, Junger, died at 103 years old.

There is no truth because there is not lie, there are different perspectives, and over all limited perspective vs unlimited perspective. What you can't do is have an unlimited perspective from a limited perspective, you could try, but it's useless

All that is true if you are operating in a limited, separated way. If you are open, there is not external and internal, nothing has a price because that price would be part of the existence, everything is an expression of yourself as reality. It's the same meditating or talk with someone, everything is the infinity flowing in itself. Liberate from what? You still have to breath and eat, and have coats in winter and a place where sleep, the only that you would get is depending from less "external" things, but still there are, then, why not to have more?

I think that life is mystic. Ashram or anything is the same. And it's the same psychedelics and sober, the distinction between external and internal is mental, when you open yourself there is not external, psychedelic are internal, same than everything else. There are a lot of things great in the limited, like friendship, love, adventure, risk, fight ,sex, the blue sky and she open sea. The point is taste the unlimited so many times until you see that the limited is unlimited.

The problem is that who wants to forget the self is the self. Difficult, it's like little by little file the bars of your prison, but you are the prison. At some point you realize that the act of filing makes the bars thicker. It is a difficult art, fine intuition is required

I never talked about god, not even once, I'm absolute sure that god is just an idea. For me the thing is not a realization, is an openess. In a given moment all your mental barriers are dissolved and you are open to your true nature, the absolute reality. You can't think in it or remember it, it's a real thing, not an idea. Then, if the next day the barriers are up again, you are closed. You could conceptualize the openess, but you are still close. The only thing that you could do is try to be open again. Intelligence is needed to understand what closes, what are the mental barriers. It's a subtle thing. Not for me, for me the point is be open to the absolute unlimited. Outside or inside means nothing. As time progresses and openness becomes something more normal for you, you are all the time in a state of certain openness, you perceive yourself as existence and you do not fall into the traps of the self all the time, but this does not mean that If tomorrow they tell you that you have stage 3 melanoma, it doesn't matter to you. You are walking between two lands, one the absolute, the other the relative. You can shift from one to the other at any time. If you enter a dense mental loop, you will be in it, it does not matter if half an hour before you were completely open. The longer the time of opening, the more your psyche gets used to the mental frequency necessary to be open to the absolute, and the easier it is to be in it, but it is not something permanent that happens for a moment and you are always there. I guess that it's possible that in a given moment you are almost always open to the absolute. It's depends in certain extent in your focus. If you are interested in worldly things it's more difficult, but for me worldly things are interesting. Why not to enjoy them? There would be time to be a total mystic, or maybe no, it's not necessary. The thing for me is walk in a intermedium point. It's very challenging, like a game, you have to be subtle, sharp your understanding to the maximum.

I'm not sure, you can meditate and be totally open to yourself a while but after you could enjoy of the external things. Really, nothing is external, everything is the reality, then there are many things that you could like, see the beauty in nature, do any sport, do business, have sex, communicate with people , etc. the point is not doing as a drug because you need just because you like. You could like DMT , or anything else. I guess that if you shift to the absolute more and more and for you is the main reality and the form has less importance, you would be less and less interested in the "external", but for me a balance is better I mean that in comparison with infinity it's the same to know your 750 past lives as sadhguru or knowing what you dinner yesterday

Reality is happening, is not taking it seriously or not seriously because it's not anyone. Osho identifies the reality with someone or something who plays, then he don't understand what reality is. I think it's a big difference, but anyway, maybe he means anything else

@Princess Arabia @bambiits the moment of the trial by combat. Only one can be right: who survives

For example, me in some moments I fished with a harpoon snorkeling, then I would get into the water, and I would do the " bad" during some hours. I tried to show no mercy, since it seemed like I should, but I really didn't like the feeling at all. I liked the search, the hunt, but I didn't like the act of killing at all, in fact it seemed miserable and disgusting to me. It was definitely "bad". I really feel those fishes as brothers, but even that I killed them , because if not I should be vegetarian , and Im not.

Just trying to understand if really something could be defined as bad. Let's say that bad would be when you go against other will. If anything has will of survive and you kill, you are acting "bad", of is has will to be free and you enjail, etc. Then in relationship with other being with will you could be bad, and there is no good in deep, you are "bad", and being bad is power, because you are exercising power over others. In human society they try to make this disappear, but there is a lot of "bad", and in the past were basically everything bad. Just power relationships

But then, everything that has form and wants to live is "bad", because it's selfish. Then it's going to kill if it's necessary. But that doesn't mean that's bad, bad is just a human concept that comes from the idea of what we don't like that happens to us. Bad is anything that we don't like, good, what we like. Destroy seems bad, because we don't want be destroyed. Then we perceive as bad anything that is destructive, and if it's something that has an ego who "knows" what's is bad and good, it's evil, bad and intentionally bad....but the thing is that bad is just an idea

If the reality is formless is beyond good and bad, it's good is the sense that nothing bad could happen, same than the stone, is good because can't be bad, then "good" really means nothing. Then yes, everything is good. Something could appears as bad, even it's good is essence, because good is just absence of "bad"

Also could be said that this person is just hate. Absence of love, a hole of negativity. Then, commit suicide because that. There are millions. It's a dark reality.

Why no selfish is good? Is a stone good? Is not selfish, but good? In what sense?

There is people self destructive who hates themselves. You could say that they are "sick", that they shouldn't be like that, but the fact is that they exist.

Anyway, is reality playing, as Osho said? It's just happening because is unlimited. It's just existing, and existing is this. Playing implies desire. Desire ties you in the self. The absolute glory of reality is less than playing, it's nothing, just existing. Then it's infinitely more, it's everything. Then Osho probably is closed to the absolute . Or maybe he means that playing is just existing? Could be, but seems that playing is something that the self does