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Exactly. Here they means insanity like: so so so cooooool INSANE level of consciousness (that only me can reach, looser) , that make me soooooo special. But no. Insanity is being alcoholic and hate people because they are of another football team. It's not cool on my opinion

Yeah sure, I hope that that brings you calm and security.

He's talking about states, not about enlightenment. But anyway, probably he understands what enlightenment is

I will see when I ve time to try to understand deeply. It's not that I have a bias against him, it's that I search in masters or people here signs that make me think that they are enlightened and I don't find. It's extremely rare, even understanding what enlightenment means, look the conversation In this thread, nobody understands, they are talking about states of consciousness , expansion, like psychedelic states, that's not remotely enlightenment. Enlightenment is realizing what we really are, what realiy is the reality, maybe sadhguru does, I just whamt to perceive it in someone. Why he says always that he's not showing his true face? Is him a liar? Really I don't understand him

Honestly, I don't see it. In first video he said that you have to be fully focused, but he don't talk nothing more, in second, that it's your true nature, that if you remove the accumulation of the mind it's done, anyone could say such things, very easily. He doesn't explain how the mind closes and why, he never talk about the relative, the movement, the appearance. For me, it supposed that I have to believe in him because many say that he's enlightened, but I don't see it in him at all

Expand conciousness is something relative. It is real, but relative. Opening yourself to the absolute is something that is in another domain, it's not dimension, experience or movement, its realizing what the reality is, and it's something that can't be thought, because it's everything, absolute. It's not an state, it's a openness. The states happen, the absolute is.

Hehe enlightenment is opening yourself to the absolute. Expansion is relative, don't you see it?

You also could explore the domain of consciousness: being in the war killing people and receiving bombs, sure it's quite insane

There is only one enlightenment, open yourself to the absolute. The self is illusory of not depending of your definition of "illusory", without that definition isn't illusory or not, but the absolute is absolute. To realize that the self is illusory first you should think that itsnt illusory, if you are out of those ideas then doesn't mean nothing

Those states have no relation with enlightenment, are just states, enlightenment is not a state

If you are in a state without bias, that's required to open yourself to the absolute, sanity or insanity means nothing

@Ishanga btw could you post any video where shadguru talks precisely of enlightenment?

I don't think so, when you are in the path the path reveals itself, The life is the path.

Totally agree, enlightenment is the path of the real sanity. The straight behavior, clean mind, open heart. Could seem insanity for some if you compare it with the worldy behavior, but what is insanity is being a greedy person who want to fuck prostitutes when he's married and drink every day😅, quite high level or insanity . Path of enlightenment is absolutely straight, is looking the existence in the face, and could seem insane because you are the first one in the universe who is doing it if you do. But the existence is perfect, then if you are open to it, there is not insanity

Yes of course, what I meant is that if it's possible to stop being relative and be just absolute for ever as you say. The terms for ever, another life, etc , are very confusing, because without the relative there is not "happening", then as you use to say, the experience dissapear. Would you like that? Why? It's better existing that don't exist I think , or maybe it's my attachment

Exactly, conciousness, the experience, is an illusion, the time, the movement, all that is happening, but as an hologram if you place yourself in the absolute. What you always say is that you want to finish the illusion and place for ever yourself in the absolute. What means this? If the illusion is an illusion, then you already are placed for ever in the absolute, that's the thing to realize I think. Because we know that the immersion in the relative could be quite challenging, saying it soft. Really I think that the relative is for ever, but who knows those things?

How do you know that? We are talking in a level of concepts very slippery, but I think that I get what you mean. Me, as many others, I have the idea or feeling that only me, and no other in the world have the key of enlightenment. I think that this is a mental strategy that happens to isolate your mind of anything to be able to open it really, then I have the compulsion of talk and talk, to clarify myself, to go deeper, avoid the mistakes . Why all the masters are so weird? Look sadhguru, why he talks so much about supernatural things? That's seems histories. The only person that I read a bit and seem to me that has the key of enlightenment is David hawkings, but then he say a brunch of stupid things. It's difficult to find any good pointer, masters are not real, I see falsehood in all of them, all are demons who lies 🤣

Exactly and precisely. If you can be totally concious in deep sleep, you have mastered death. That is real enlightenment, and no one here have achieved it. I don't claim that I did, I claim that I know what it is, I could immerse is some punctual moment, enough to understand how works the thing. The openess to the absolute is the conquer of death. Not small thing . It's not a game, is the real thing, the absolute, absolute open yourself to the totality . It's the best option possible. Any other option could be tempting, but is less. The absolute is everything

Yes it's possible to be conscious in deep sleep, just that In deep sleep there is no time, it's just absolute. The absolute is precisely deep sleep, out of the time.

From an absolute point of view, reality is only appearance, the individual is an illusion. The self must disappear and you must merge with the total. It is a difficult movement, of great dedication. It is truly opening your heart without reservations. For me it is very difficult, I am very attached to the mundane, but being able to do it at some point, or being as close to it as possible is the only thing that brings sanity to existence. The other option is madness.

There is reality out of consciousness, thinking that reality is conciousness is a mistake. Conciousness is in the reality, but reality is not conciousness, that's the Leo's mistake, that could make you psychotic. You can feel the absolute reality, the immensity. It's the infinite potential, but it exists out of the conciousness, the conciousness is just a bubble that happens in it, and we identify ourselves with that bubble, with the conciousness, but it's flat. Hidden, behind the conciousness, the absolute is. It's in another dimension, hidden in your heart, all the infinity, the absolute. Has no color, no dimension, it's nothing but it's everything. Is nothing that you could name, define, think, perceive. It's not perception, is openess. The absolute is not "something", it's absolutely impossible to talk, but saying it's nothing is nonsense, it's everything.

If you want I could say, you have to open to yourself, but it's more you have to open to reality because that you is the ego. It's an energetic configuration that the reality takes to create this form. Seems that the reality is like an infinite kaleidoscope that creates increasingly complex configurations, and each one of them contains the entire infinity, that is the nature of the infinite, it is not divisible, the part is the whole, so openness is to stop perceiving yourself as the concrete form and perceive yourself as total reality. This is totally possible, because we really are that. Really, here and now, it is not a mystical story, it is reality, it is something normal, infinity. then, once you perceive yourself as the unlimited whole you perceive the part as what it is, flow of reality taking this form, so the jokes are over, absolutely every gesture has meaning and repercussion, life is pleasure for the fact to exist but it is also evolution, ascension I talk about this in the forum not by theory, it's because if I met some friends to talk about stupidity I get bored, I'm interesting in the absolute, then, if you are a pretty girl, welcome to talk about nonsense, but if you aren't (and I'm afraid that), I'm only interested in the game of the cosmos

You have to open to yourself, because you are closing yourself with energetic blockages. It's impossible that you are anything different than the reality but the human energetic configuration is blocked by default, it's genetic. Fear, need to acceptance, evolutive tools extremely strong that we are trying to overcome I only talk of my experience and my perception, zero theory, just expression of my reality

I see it differently, it is not just ceasing identification, it is being open to what reality is, to its power, to the energy of existence, allowing it to flow without hindrance. The main obstacle is fear, which translates into control. The cause of fear is ignorance. The lack of understanding of reality makes you afraid, this is not bad, it is a sign of intelligence. Ignorance and absence of fear is stupidity. Erasing ignorance does not mean knowing that you are god or anything else, it means understanding that you are, you are flowing as a vital flow of existence. This allows you to abandon yourself more and more, give up control, open yourself to the true nature of living reality, what allows deeper understanding, meaning understanding the realization of you as a flow, nothing definite or conceptual. There are many layers, we are operating in a superficial layer. It's possible to see deeper and deeper, but what is important is not seeing deeper, is realizing what you are, what is the substance, the total openess, the infinity that is. That is you, not another thing, precisely you, it's not someone, it's the absolute being, what is impossible not be. It's the consequence of the total depth and width without limits . Then, I still afraid, I don't want become sick or cutting my legs, but I deeply know that if that happens it's the flow that must happen. I'm projecting to the good, to the success, the love, the business, the positive human push, but just following the flow, let's see where it leads, what's obvious is that the path is limitless, then better don't do stupidity, not even one. It's not a yoguic path of being out of the world. The game is here, it's extremely complex, like swimming in a race of obstacles being blind. Only the instinct work. Fascinating right? Reality is meaningless, but in life even a single word has infinite weight, it develop in infinite butterfly effect in all the cosmos. This is a dance like the dervish in a blade.

What are the chains of the mind exactly? The only chain is be close to the nature of reality, and the openess is not achieved repressing the mind in my opinion