Breakingthewall

You have to work because you have to contribute to the society, that gives you a lot, then better do a work that you love. That's difficult, you have to fight for it, be smart. You are a social being, you need social relationships. Better find real relationship, with true loyalty and love. That's very difficult, you have to be very smart again, because the norm is people using each other. And at for that you have to give yourself to the others, not using them. Again it's not easy You also could stay at home meditating and fooling yourself thinking that you are out of the sistem when you live in a house and eat food who came from the other side of the world and wear clothes that other people do with their work, and using internet as a social succedaneum. Or you could go to a cave like in old times and be alone there with nothing, really out of the world, but almost no one does that

It's like having a double personality. For a while the open personality is operational and reality is timeless, absolute and clean. another time the closed personality is operative and reality is struggle and madness, exchanging several times a day. It's not that one is real and the other false, just are two perspectives

Brown like shit you mean? It's more brown / black. Dark chocolate. Shit to spread. Sad people without hope working as slaves who are going to get old to be desperate in a hospital terrified of death. Party! Hallelujah! Let's reincarnate in Afghanistan! 🤣 Or in any place, in Europe. Most of people is crazy, in the way of the depression. Grabbing lies and deceiving themselves to never look at the face of their reality. If you manage to have one real relationship of loyalty and love in your life, you are very lucky. Usually what is common is using the others, even in the families. It's what the society is about This is the form, but the essence, the substance, is the divinity of reality. It's not easy to see the divinity in the human society at all

Really most of people are not thinking in fame, power and that. Usually people is trying to be happy, find love and have a good life. The problem is not their intention, it's the reality, and their inner configuration As you have rightly said, we are natural beings. we have created the social contract by survival. We complain that the ego is unpleasant and boring, but recently the ego was tribal wars, slavery, total submission of women and extreme violence. I guess it wouldn't be much fun either. Seems that the path is going in the right direction, but let's see, it's a slow evolution

The ego feels like shit, obviously, everyone is unhappy. this is a reality. Human dynamics are extremely complicated. a true enigma full of shit, selfishness and falsehood layer after layer. And very boring, superficial and frustrating, same than your life if you don't fight hard against it, that's the inertia of the humans. but it is what it is, and it is reality. If human dynamics were wonderful we wouldn't be talking about it. But you have to penetrate the psyche, open yourself to others and look for openness, truth, direct connection. It's obviously not easy, first you have to purify yourself from shit. This is more difficult that it seems.

It's impossible that what it is happening is being ordered by a will, since that will would in turn be ordered by another will, which would be, etc etc to infinity. In reality there are no limits and God is a limit. God cannot exist, reality happens because it happens, it is an infinite flow that flows on itself and creates infinite forms, infinite reflections. They are all made of the same substance, and you are that substance, not the will or the form. The will is an appearance that the substance takes, the same as a stone or the self. Everything that seems to happen is appearance, feelings are appearance, thoughts are the sensation of being the center of an experience, of perceiving something. All that is appearance, reality is the material from which all that is made, that is what we are.

You are missing that the relative is the absolute, and the ego also. The point of spirituality is open yourself to the absolute, then see the absolute in the relative. Anything bad that you see in the relative is relative to you, then it's your ego who project those qualities in the ego. The challenge is realizing the absolute in the ego, the ego is divine, because it's made of the substance of the reality. Just see the substance, not the form. Difficult? Of course, extremely. Impossible? Never.

There are deeper ways to live the relative. anything relative is made of the substance of the absolute, and the relative path is deep, full of facets and connections. Saying that relative is negative is a mistake, since it exists and you can feel its beauty and fullness at every moment. It is the ego that sees negativity and lack, being human it is very difficult not to see it, if you were an animal in the jungle or a fish in the ocean you would be relative but without ego. We have an ego, but the ego is also a living being full of nuances and depth, capable of connecting deeply with other beings, because the ego is made of the same substance than everything else

@gettoefl I don't see it that way, because from a relative perspective you are really separate. You have to eat to live, and to do that you have to kill other beings that want to live, that's how it works, you can't mix the relative and the absolute, if you do you find front yourself in wall all the time, since you're fooling yourself. From an absolute perspective everything is the same, from a relative perspective it is not. Relative perspective is not false or illusory, it is relative. If you really want to open yourself to the absolute perspective you have to understand that from the absolute perspective Hitler is the same as Jesus Christ, but from the relative perspective it is different. How could you trascend the limits imposed by the body? And why would want you to do that? It's deny the body because you don't like how the relative works, and that is ego. It's unrealistic, your body steal space to other bodies, to plants, animals, etc. the only way to trascend the body is kill yourself.

@gettoefl Thanks for appreciating. If the logical mind contemplates the implications of the absence of limits long enough, the conclusion is inevitable. Do not underestimate the power of the mind, it is the mind that creates time and movement and that closes, if the mind truly understands that time and movement are relative, it understands that everything it perceives is relative and can open to its absolute nature. It is not something let's say mystical, it is inevitable, inescapable, real, simply the reality.

There are two faces of the same thing. The form and the substance. The extremely difficult and and counterintuitive is that what you really are is substance, and substance is unlimited being. The form that this substance takes is a structure that understands at a given moment that it is the substance, but conceptually. The substance understand it totally, because being is understanding. the understanding that arises from the form is an emergency that really means absolutely nothing. It means something relatively to this concrete form that is going to disappear. If this form were an ant, this understanding would mean absolutely nothing. Actually the ant and the human are at the same level of understanding. At an absolute level they are omniscient since they exist and that is all that can be known. On a relative level, the ant understands how to make an anthill and humans understand many other things, which compared to infinity are zero. Enlightenment is the total opening to absolute understanding, to existence. It is not a conceptual understanding, it is the realization of something obvious that is not seen because the structure of the self veils it, but that is perceived with absolute clarity if this structure is, let's say, opened. It is existence outside of time, without form, which always is. It has no dimension or characteristics but it is everything. Over all it's you. You are that, it's totally obvious. You knew that when you were a fetus, an ant know it, an atom, everything. "Know" in the sense of being. Do you remember when you were 2 years old? You totally knew that you are, the existence knows that exists, it's not conceptual or mental, it's the very fact of being .

Just because passive aggressive comment make me angry if before I thought that you were authentic in your comment and we understood each other, what to? I'm very imperfect, not equanimity, emotional, impulsive, all that. I have quite natural deep understanding, don't you think? what to do? It's my doom 🤣. But if I share understanding it's because I want that people like you or javfly tell me: that's wrong, who is who understands? Etc, then try to answer. But it's quite annoying if you say: you are thinking too much, you are walking in circles, just to put down what I said without any single argument to debate.

I didn't say that 5meo isn't useful, what I said is that saying that 5meo is going to dissolve your self is wrong, could help but it's not like a magic pill. For me was absolutely useful, but the only real method is your intuition and your desire of freedom. Your mental structure has to be ready for that, and as we built a very complex mental structure due our conditioning, the work isn't easy at all.

First you have to want it, it's something let's say vocational. It's like you unconsciously remember freedom and want to be free again. You don't want to know things, you want freedom. then you instinctively look for it. total freedom of being is what it has always been. There are children who, by nature, genetics, karma, have a less dense ego, are more free, are open to the true nature of reality, others are more comfortable with the limits. Imo there are characteristics such as honesty, connection with other beings and the desire for danger, which manifest an open character. If you are like this you will never be happy within a system, you cannot adapt, you must chart your own path and unless you truly dissolve the self you will suffer. Then little by little you will see what you have to do. It's something absolutely real, is the transcendence of the psyche and the opening to the real thing. It is not so much achieving something as returning to something, to your true nature, which is out of the time. If you are smart you will realize what closes, many things in the human mind do, the desire to know, to be more, to elevate, to understand the essence of reality. You can understand your own mind so that it stops being an obstacle, but you cannot understand the absolute because understanding is an emergence, the same as anything else, it means absolutely nothing. You have to understand that nothing means anything from an absolute perspective, it is totally counterintuitive, the absolute requires total simplicity, absence of psyche. That's why it's difficult, it's like a labyrinth with a lot of dead ends.

No, it's because you are not ready to let go the self. That's why Leo can do 1000 times 5 meo and he says: you are god dreaming the reality for love. Because he open himself to the unlimited but the self is still there. No drug can dissolve the self, it's absolutely impossible. Only the self can be ready for dropping itself in the nothingness. Usually the self is going to use any trick to preserve itself, becoming god or anything else

It doesn't work. I ve done 5meo a lot, hundreds of times . there is always a deception in it. I think it's because it's forced. It's very subtle, but the self is still there , even vaping 30 mg. You are open but the self is still there, disguised by god, or by anything. I always had that intuition, something was....let's say impure, not absolutely clear. It's a great help to force yourself to the openess, but at the end you have to do sober

Really you made me angry haha. I try to do my best explaining something real. Maybe I wasn't polite talking about sadhguru, really I see the falsehood in him, I can't avoid. I shouldn't be so aggressive describing him, but anyway, who cares? I thought for a moment that you understood and that you was enough noble to admit it even I talked bad about sadhguru, that would mean that you are above of the personal and you are focused in the truth. Vain hopes, anyway, it's stupid getting angry chatting here. I'm done with you , you are of the team a against the team b, then no communication is possible except worship together sadhguru 😅. Bye

I thought you said good! Being sincere 🤣🤣🤣🤣. You can't understand anything, and you are not noble. The door can't be open to you. Be happy with your Jesus Christ. Maybe someone could understand what I said . It's frustrating, it's obvious. Anyone asked you any recommendation? Maybe I did and I forgot. Thank you anyway blind man. Let's put some candles to Shiva and let's remember some incarnations. Then....let's make money!

What you are. It's a weird twisted thing because you aren't a you, but still that's what you are. You are what is, the being. It's absolutely indefinite but same time it's everything. Realize this moment, it is, then erase any interpretation, any barrier with your unconscious, totally open yourself without any fear, then for a while, some minutes, you could be absolutely limitless, formless, then the you, the human, realizes that what you really are is the unlimited being, it's not that the unlimited being realizes it, the unlimited being don't need to realize anything, it's always , you could be open to it, but still you are you, a human, who sees what is the nature of reality and sees it's nature as relative transitory form, irrelevant in comparison with the substance

Because it's not a though, it's simply the absolute. It's impossible to think because thinking is relative, is putting an idea in relationship with another. The absolute is absolute, can't be thought. You could use the word existence, but it's just a word. What you are is what you are. Obviously you are, then, erase everything except "are". It's like a skill, you have to be able to open yourself totally, no more you, no more nothing, like you are a fetus, then you realize. Sounds obvious right? Of course, it's good to minimize the suffering of the humans, evolve to more empathy, more conciousness, love between humans and all that, and it's bad be like Hitler , but both are in the relative realm . And it's a reality that more "evil" you are, more thick is the self, then more difficult to open yourself to the absolute, but here we are not trying to fix the world, we are trying to understand the human mind to be able to open ourselves to the real thing. Then, as a consequence, good behavior appears I guess always, but from an absolute perspective good and bad are equal, it's important to understand that to don't close the door

It's absolutely obvious, there is not the slightest doubt, you could agree or not. It's not a psychedelic realization, it's something extremely simple. To understand it first you have to open yourself to your true nature, to what you are. When you do it you realize that you always have known this, when you were a kid was obvious, then as you grow starts to be more and more veiled by the character, the self. Then you know everything, because you know what existence is, and this is absolute plenitude. It's the point a) absolute realization. Then you understand the point B) , relative realization. There is nothing to know in the relative because everything is ultimately the same, and there are not Limits . Then, knowing a lot is the same than knowing small. What a rat knows is the same than Leo gura knows about the relative: nothing. It's infinite, then if sadhguru knows his last million of incarnation it's the same to know my address, there is no difference. Imagine that you are monkey in the jungle screaming and eating bananas, you know the same than sadhguru. You exist, that's it. Then you don't ignore nothing, there is nothing to ignore, because all the infinite relative is the same: it exists, period. This is extremely anticlimactic for the ego, but it's impossible to deny. And it's not like you are lost in infinity knowing nothing, opposite, you are at home, you are that, and you know everything , you are omniscient and omnipotent: you exist. There is nothing else.

That is wrong. The absolute doesn't need to know itself, and doesn't need any experience, but cant avoid it because there are not limits. If the absolute would need anything, it would achieved it infinite times in eternity. The experience, the relative reality, is just a inevitable reflection of the absolute. Means absolutely nothing. Nothing could have any meaning in infinity, it's absolutely obvious. Only the ego need meaning.

That's false, there is not ignorance, it's a mentality of lack. The thing is different, but sadhguru is confused, too much indian religion in his mind. The point is much simpler: absolute knowledge is obvious, you could be omniscient in any moment. It's knowing what you are. You must be totally open to it, and there is no more, it's the nature of everything. Then, relative knowledge means nothing, and relative ignorance means nothing. In infinity any relative thing that you know is zero in comparison with infinite things, and the same with the things that you ignore. They doesn't mean nothing, knowing and ignoring are the same, an illusion, because in infinity there is nothing to know, then nothing to ignore. If sadhguru said that, he's very confused. I think he believes he's an explorer of the occult. He should know that the occult is the same than knowing all the brothels of my city from an absolute perspective: nothing. Zero. Illusion. Sadhguru only speak illusions, his knowledge about existence is the same from an absolute perspective that my knowledge of grow weed: nothing. But he's so proud of knowing his past lifes and that. He's a champion, let's admire him 😭🤣 he's fake, one day you will realize

There is something that the ego hates and that if you realize it, the ego will begin to work against it. is that everything you know, your level of consciousness, even the level of consciousness of an interdimensional alien entity of unimaginable magnitude is exactly the same as the level of consciousness of a worm. There is no difference, it seems like it is more but it is not, the only level of consciousness is the total being, and it is the same, a proton is the same as an entire universe. Omniscience means know what you are. Without limits there is nothing else to know, anything is the same than another thing, there is not bigger or smaller, higher or lower, there is the illusion of knowing things or the realization that anything in comparison with infinity dissapear, then there is only one knowing: what you are, your nature, and it's the nature of everything.

You can't grasp conceptually the substance of reality even for 1 second, precisely because it's not relative. Relative means in relationship with anything else, the substance of reality is immutable, always is the same, then you can't think in it, you can be open to it. That about change and dynamism is relative, not false. Absolute and relative are two perspectives, to place yourself in an absolute perspective you have to totally dissolve the self, because the self is the relative. The problem with the relative perspective is that is a mental jail, and it's extremely difficult to exit of it, because the self is real. They could say that if someone smash your bones with a hammer is an illusion but no, it's real, as a relative appearance. What is also real is that " someone smashing your bones wimth a hammer" is a relative form made of the substance of the reality, same than everything else. If it's happening, you can't see anything except the form, you will be blind to the substance. In fact we are blind to the substance almost always, because we get lost in the form, it's inevitable, because the "you" is form . For the reality perceives itself as a substance, the self must dissapear , and to dissapear must be deactivate. it's something that requires deep understanding about how the self is being created , be totally honest with yourself all time, then you could let go everything. It's difficult because nobody wants to be honest with himself, wants the best experience. That is the self. But paradoxical doing it it get closed to the best experience, that is the openess to the true nature of reality