Breakingthewall

It's like learning something. It's like learning dancing or anything else. You could say that you didn't learn because the dance was always inside you, but if you don't learn, you don't dance

It's not like that, it's a process to achieve the total openess, face the absolute abyss of existence and become it. You should follow your instinct and be totally determined to do it. If your goal is understanding, infinite love, finishing the suffering, etc , you are wrong, the goal is the total openess to what you are, without any limitation. It's not like: oh, I was always awaken but I didn't realize, it's a subtle change. No, it's something total, you have to see in front of you the black hole of existence and become it.

not agree, there is absolute awakening. It is obvious, you exist, so what you ultimately are is existence, but you perceive yourself as a limited human. There are innate structures created by millions of years of evolution that make this so, since this has been the most efficient configuration. You can dissolve all these structures and perceive yourself as the unlimited existence outside of time and any limits. It is something difficult and counterintuitive since the mind works with limits. is to achieve total openness. It doesn't mean that you are going to enjoy every minute of human life and that, because that openess is not permanent, it happens sometimes, other times you are in the structured mind.

Yes it's just frustrating. It's how human society is built, about fun things like tribal war, slavery and exploitation. fear everywhere. don't you smell it? I see it and it clearly . Human society has a disgusting side and I see myself pressing red buttons while I unleash an atomic hecatomb and I see thousands of mushrooms rise into the stratosphere while I laugh with glory, raising my arms like an orchestra conductor shouting: hallelujah! Hallelujah!! 🤣🤣🤣. nah, I'm too soft to launch atomics bombs, even if probably would be much better for the humans. Then let's work

@gettoefl What god? The only thing you can do is have a closed or open flow of energy. closed means that it bounces back on yourself, everything converges in the self. egocentrism. why me? Things shouldn't have been like this 😭😭. Open means without bouncing off the self, there is no self to bounce off of, the energy flow is amplified without limits and reality has no bottom. There is no need to invent stories about Jesus or get up in a pulpit to preach, it is something purely practical, normal, it is simply reality. For that we have to understand what is the self. The self is made of fear. That means that you can't decide: I'm going to stop the self! I'm so smart, and I read the power of the now! I'm god!!! Yes sure. Then go and climb a 200m rock vertical wall without rope. Just try. Just do the mental experiment. People is so naive, they use the spirituality as a mental clutch, but almost nobody face the real thing , that is the fear. Human life if full of fear, layers and layers of fear, its genetical and learned. Be enlightened is have no fear, and that is extremely difficult.

The only answer to everything is because there are no limits. If someone says that this experience is happening for something specific, like God wants to experience himself, they are light years away from understanding what infinity means. I'm sorry for those egos needing to grab onto something solid, but infinity is open. awakening is opening. Saying that there is a final cause closes the opening, makes it finite. Isn't it obvious?

Why do you think that a human has more potential that a dolphin, an eagle, a whale? We can't know how is the feeling being them. Maybe even Buddha is much more separate, lack of harmony of those beings that live merged with the life.

Maybe a human is like an bacteria, and you are not close to being one with the absolute until you are a multidimensional entity that encompasses millions of realities and organizes the interdimensional energy flow between them. Obviously I just made this up, it's an example to illustrate that we have no fucking idea about anything.

What I have said is a logical deduction that probably is not exact. Anyway It seems obvious that everything is interconnected, like an infinite organism, therefore you are limited in infinite dimensions but at the same time you are the will to exist of reality, since reality exists and we can call that absolute will, because will to not exist don't exist. so we have free will, absolute will, since we exist. free will relative seems more difficult because each micro energetic movement, each subatomic particle that moves, does so in coordination with all of reality, since it is all of reality.

Maybe close to realize itself is another 200 millions of cycles more in different universes. Who knows about the structure of the reality?

Yes, in the Garden of Eden like the chimpanzees, then if you look at the alpha male wrongly he will tear off your arms, and kill the babies of the previous alpha to be more alpha and if they see one from another clan they torture him until death.

If the absolute have a will, then would be relative. The absolute is not something definite who has a will, is the existence. That's impossible, nothing can be momentary or limited. What's happening is the existence flowing, and in this precise moment has the form of a human, it has infinite forms, and all of them are the same substance, the existence. This now is that heaven that you mentioned, only that seems other thing, like suffering or anything else, but suffering is that heaven that you mentioned too.

I think that this happen just because humans are a hive entity, not individuals like a cat, we are like gears of the collective matrix. Maybe in other universes there are forms much more complex and deep Ok, but then, who stops reincarnating? All the existence for ever? It's impossible because there is form.

Who wants? Things happen because they can happen, what "you" are is the substrate of the form, the material, the substance, but also the form. The dream is not a dream, is the flow of the reality, dream implies a dreamer and that's impossible, there is not a director because it would be a limit of the limitless. I ve read, it's relatively easy to achieve with meditation, you are what exist. But then the form catch you up again and again because you have this genetical programming. The only possible end that I see is that you totally realize that you are what is, then you place yourself in the existence and not in the manifestation of the existence, then you are more or less indifferent to the form and focused in the substance. Then for you it's the same if there is reincarnation or anything, there is always existence, and you are that, then the person dilute and the existence remains. For you life and death are the same, human life, memory, other people, body, 5 senses, all of that is secondary, irrelevant, you are what is

As I see it, from an absolute perspective there is no free will, everything that happens is reality reflected in itself to infinity perfectly coordinated, but from a relative perspective there is. Let's see, I, who am a relative entity, want to free my mind, so I make a series of movements and efforts in that direction and I achieve it, so apparently I have free will, but from an absolute perspective that desire is an apparent reality, a current of energy that is another reflection of reality infinitely reflecting itself, occurs because it is in synchrony with the infinite, it is an inevitable movement, but this from a relative perspective does not mean anything, both perspectives cannot be mixed, since when you are relative you are relative, so the best thing is to develop your full potential without thinking that developing it or not is predestined from the absolute.

I'd like a lot to see you enjailed a box of 2X1x1 at 45 c, for two years for example, full of mosquitoes and rats, being so happy. Where is the difference between fake reality or real reality? Just in your perspective. Happiness, hate, fight, peace, there is no difference, all of them are the reality. You could place yourself in the substance of the hate and you could perceive that it's just existence, like everything else, but still hate exist . If there is an infestation of rats that transmits the pest you will hate them and want to destroy them. That's just existence, inevitable

It's an interesting game that demands all our mental capacity if you want accept the challenge and you want to place yourself completely outside the herd. If your goal is to fit in and you succeed, then you don't need to think much, in fact it is better not to do it at all, but if you want to understand the whole move and play it your way you have to work hard. Behind every interaction, desire, tendency, there are atavistic forces that drive you. The depth of our conditioning is more than it seems.

Spirituality always says: love and happiness good, hate and sadness bad. What happens to hate and sadness? Aren't they part of reality? and war and the struggle for reproduction? Shouldn't they exist? So why do they exist? Because the bad men do it while the baby Jesus cries? No, the thing is different. Reality is how it it's and it's exactly the same if you are Jesus or Hitler, for reality is no difference. Who wants to open itself to the unlimited is the ego, just because want to be happy and not afraid of death, then the ego can do it, but it's nothing "special", is just the reality, same that Auschwitz

It's inevitable, it's what evolution of the species demand. Reproduction and survival. The gene doesn't care about fun, just about what is more practical

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead.

@Javfly33 Let's say that the idea that all beings tend toward unity and dissolution after multiple incarnations is true. perhaps there are still several million incarnations missing in literally unimaginable dimensions. Why this thing about being human, which seems like something quite incomplete, defective, is going to be the last stage? I'm afraid not, being human is something very limited.

If you see that you are not the form, then it's the same if the form that seems to be you now dissapear or not. It's the form who wants to finish the cycle of reincarnations, but that form is nothing, just a reflection of the absolute, and are infinite reflections, then it's irrelevant if you reincarnate or not because you are just a form, and are other infinite forms that are you because you are everything.

Then it's not infinitely fragmented, because infinite means no finish, if it's going to finish is finite.

Very interesting, I'm going to try to get it. Thanks!

Really nobody. I did salvia 2 months ago and had no effect, but just when I smoke in the bong I remember the effect of the two times that I did and I felt panic. Salvia is extremely challenging, much more than 5 meo, DMT or LSD. It's in another level. Let's do salvia 😅. The only problem is that doing it alone is dangerous