Breakingthewall

Everything is the whole thing because any fragment of infinity is infinite, but this doesn't mean that it's the only

A lot of mystics much more wise than us talk about reincarnation, that this life is a path to equalize your energies, your mind and your heart to ascend to other dimension, that there is a serious work to do here. Maybe they are right, maybe no, but seems that there are something real in that line of though

Easy, in eternity any other experience different of your experience is going to happen right? How many? In eternity would be infinite. Where are them? In the future or in the past? But time is a dimension, a construction in the reality, then all of them, the infinite, where are? There are now, out of your perception, Infinite dimensions

And another thing, being enlightened is not knowing some superstitions or "realizations" or "awakenings" about god, the absolute, etc, its the perfect alignment of your being, something that no one in this forum, including me of course, are even close, but at least we should try to understand what is it, not be lost in delirium

🤣 There is not god. Your god is just a relative invention . The only god is the absolute and it's not "imagining" because if it would then it would be relative to the imaginary object. Forget that philosophy, it's false, just delirium

@Inliytened1 the absolute is not an experience or direct experience , it's where experience happens. Outside of direct experience there are infinite others direct experience, because all of them are relative to the others

I don't need any proof, it's absolutely obvious. Are you concious of how this moment is been created? No. You area of consciousness is limited, then it's infinitely límited. In the eternity of existence something else different than me writing in a phone is going to happen right? But I'm not concious of that now. Leo used to say: you could reach infinite conciousness, or alien conciousness, or anything. Then now you have finite conciousness, then there are infinite conciousness out of your conciousness. As you said you never would have more than this field of consciousness, because you as experience are this field of consciousness, but this is a relative you that is going to dissapear. The absolute remains, but the absolute is not an experience, the experience is just relative appearance

@Inliytened1 contemplate the fact that you now are not aware of the infinite possibilities of reality. What is the meaning of this? That there is infinite hidden to you. The only consequence of this is that you, as conciousness, experience, are a limited part of the absolute that is being "enlightened" by the light of conciousness. How this is happening? By the fact of the perception, the perception creates the conciousness, or better are synonyms, then if perception dissapear conciousness turns off. Means this that without conciousness there is not reality? Wrong. Reality is absolute, then it exists beyond the fact of being concious of it. In fact you really are the absolute, but you are concious of a very limited area . You could be open to the absolute and recognize yourself as that, but it's an opening in your heart, not in your mind. The absolute is not something that you are concious of it, is the reality. Then you would understand that even in anesthesia the absolute is absolute, even the non existence or no manifestation is absolute. The total zero is not absence of form, is absence of consciousness, and the total zero, the cessation, is same absolute than the present moment with conciousness

Same but the absolute is not conciousness and the others have their own experience 🤣🤣

Yes , that's why they said: the tao that could be thought is not the real tao. We are not talking about philosophy, but about enlightenment. The conciousness happen because the absolute is limitless, then the absolute is reflecting in itself infinitely, and any of those infinite reflections is a bubble of consciousness, but they aren't the absolute, are a relative movement in the absolute, between another infinite movements. If you compare one of them with the absolute, it's like dividing if between infinity, then the result is zero, that means that they have not reality without anything else to compare, then they are RELATIVE, so conciousness is just the reflection of the absolute in itself, it's nothing, just a reflection, the absolute is everything, and can't be thought, you can be open to if beyond the relative that you are, nothing more

Conciousness is always relative, the absolute is not conciousness. The absolute can't be thought or named, you could call it "tao" 😅. You can't understand the absolute, because the understanding happens in the absolute, the understanding is always relative. You only can be open to the absolute, then you can understand the relative, but the absolute is beyond of any understanding. But one thing is obvious: conciousness is always relative, needs duality. Without duality there is nothing to be concious of, then it's cessation. Experience happens when there is duality, and conciousness is what experience is. Experience is not absolute, is relative, happens in the absolute.

If the tree falls it's because there is a tree, if there is not a tree, then doesn't falls, but it doesn't depends of you. There are infinite relative movements in the absolute, that tree is one of them, and infinite more. All of them are conciousness, they don't depends of you as observer, there are infinite bubbles of consciousness, you are not the center of the existence, the existence has not center. Ultimately the existence is absolute, from an absolute perspective nothing is happening, neither you, because from an infinite perspective any movement is not a movement, it's just relative to another movement, then if you expand all to infinity, nothing never happened, but from a relative perspective, everything is happening

The tree exist independent of you. You are a relative construction, not god. There is not god that wants things, that is just a relative idea. If god wants something, then it's relative to that desire. The absolute is just absolute.

If you want to understand what reality is, you have to understand that reality is not conciousness. Conciousness appears when duality appears. Without duality the absolute is, that is the total potential, and this is not "something", nor "nothing", it's just the absolute, what you are, and it's beyond the conciousness.

Everything that has relative existence is conciouss of itself in some degree, not the universe like an entity, the absolute is not concious of anything because it's absolute, only the relative is conciouss. Conciousness is a relative function, needs duality, time, without duality there is not conciousness. If you are concious of everything, absolutely concious, there in no difference, then there in nothing to be conscious of, then it's deep sleep or anesthesia, zero

Of course, because it doesn't need that you, a human that believes that is the center of the cosmos is there, the tree itself is infinite conciousness, and the reality itself. A proton is infinite , don't need a ego close to verify that exist

You decide how? For example if someone broke my bones, it's because I had decided it because I'm imagining him, who doesn't exist and haven't real experience? He's like a drawing in a paper without real depth and reality?

Then the others have their own experience or not? When you talk with anyone he has experience or not? For example the people that you saw today, have they experience?

That means that he has his own experience depending of you? So, some times he has and another no? Of always he has?

The absolute doesn't think, or dream, or play, or want, or make funny jokes like Auschwitz because he is bored in the holy heaven alone. all that are relative feelings. The absolute is absolute, nothing more.

Then when you talk when a friend, he has real experience, or not?

Then this is the measurement for enlightenment. Well, bill gates is the most enlightened, windows has been very helpful

I didn't say that he wasn't useful, I just think that he was a liar in some sense. I think that he was extremely smart but not enlightened, and he claimed that he was enlightened. Just my opinion. Many people have done very useful things without being enlightened, many enlightened people are anonymous and they don't do nothing Don't confuse will of work and success with enlightenment. The ego is extremely powerful, and use to be the engine that gives energy to this kind of movement, even if it is "helping the humankind"

Then if someone breaks your bones with a hammer, could you decide don't feel pain? Because everything is internal, then you are imagining the pain because you want

When you talk with anyone, do you think that person has not his own experience?