Breakingthewall

What we are trying to understand is the infinity, what we are. Solipsism say that the things that you perceive are "mental" then aren't real, only you are real, and this is totally false. That you that perceives is created by the reflection of the reality in itself. What we are is the reality, but this reality has infinite shapes, relative structures, and the solipsist I is the structure not the reality . Mental and real are the same, inside and outside are equal, inside of your mind is the infinity, then everything that appears in your mind is itself infinite. Is the same if it's a person or an energetic vibration that you call thought, it's a fragment of infinity, then it's the totality of the reality. Solipsism say: you experience is absolute. And obviously, you experience is relative. Solipsism say that is relative to your own mind. But it's nonsensical because your own mind is infinite, then contains the infinity reflected infinitely. You are both, a single reflection and the totality same time, like everything else, because it's infinite

I don't doubt of the will of sadhguru, but he has a point ....let's say that his discourse, what it projects, does not point towards freedom, the total opening of the mind, the liberation of the ego, but rather it points towards supernatural ideas, the liberation of karma, reincarnation and everything that no one knows if it is real or not. . what is real is what you are and the potential for purity, for openness to the intelligence of reality, for total sovereignty over yourself. It seems that sadhguru wants to grant himself that sovereignty. But maybe it's just an misunderstanding because I don't understand him deep enough

each micro gesture points in a certain direction. each word has an infinite butterfly effect. The monstrously large entity that is the collective ego, which draws its power from all of humanity's processing capacity, which is genetically encoded, has tides and currents, like geological movements. You are part of that, every communication, word, gesture, feeling, connection with another person reverberates in infinity. spread what you want to collect, it's all you

The point is that suffering is a relative feeling. It is an evolutionary tool that makes individuals of a species move in the most optimal direction. Just as the sensation of pain makes an animal move away from fire, the ego, which is a sentient living being, uses suffering to point in the optimal direction. Suffering is terrible for those who suffer, seeing how your children are tortured is terrible, absolute suffering for a mother, but it is absolutely nothing for a sheep. And from an absolute perspective is just existence. Suffering is absolute glory, same than anything, because it exists. Is bad from a relative perspective because it's a vibration programmed by evolution to say: move away from that, and its designed by the intelligence of the reality to be impossible to ignore. You can totally trascend the suffering if you become absolute. A real mystic has not attachment, then he doesn't suffer. He is not in the earth anymore, is in the eternity, and for the eternity suffering is nothing special because everything is existence. Suffering is just an human tool to evolve as a society, belongs to the matrix of the ego. Sounds impossible right? That being tortured or see how the people that you love is tortured is the same than everything else, but from the absolute it is. That's why enlightenment is fucking difficult

Almost sure that's right. Then when they say that you could finish the cycle being human, maybe they are overestimating what's being human, or underestimating the possibilities of existence

Maybe it's like that but then all the well of reincarnation starts in one point, the absolute, and finish in the same point, that means that it will restart again. Then there is not end of the well, is ending of one cycle, but ultimately you are what exist, and the cycles can't finish. About sanchita karma, let's see, if In some moment the cycle began, it was absolutely basic, then, where is the difference between any sanchita karma and another? Seems like trying to grab personality, identity. About only humans can be conscious, maybe in this dimension, but could be many other dimensions much more conscious, and being human is just a step, not the end of the well.

I think that is because it's extremely difficult stop the identification with the relative self, then you can't even imagine the reality without this, but in another hand all the traditions talk about reincarnation, then maybe it's real in a sense, like the master lines of your structure restart again like an evolutive path

Agree, that about the dream, illusion, is misleading and a lie. You could call it maya, relative perspective or anything, but it is, and as it is it's real. Saying that you don't exist makes no sense and it's psychotic, because who says that is that you that supposedly doesn't exist

But who reincarnates? The relative you is a creation, is defined by genetic, environment, perception, experience. If all that ends, what remains? Just existence, but existence is everything.

For me enlightenment is when the form disappears and what there is is a total openness to being. Being is absolute, it only flows in one direction, the direction of existing, and it is total. It's like an absolute brilliance that totally bursts forth. What becomes obvious is that what veils our perception of ourselves is what is perceived as negative, but from an absolute perspective, the negative is also positive because it exists. There is only one category: existence. then your being opens completely and what you are outside of time manifests, since it is the same as you, me, a rat or a stone. There is only existence, and it is total, and you are that. That's it, game over. I think you could call it totally bliss.

The thing is that from a relative perspective you are this concrete experience, and from an absolute perspective you are everything, you are the being . Then, who reincarnates? The being? The being is already everything. Then who reincarnates is the relative you, but the relative you is a relative construction like any other relative construction, then when dissapear, dissapear. It's very difficult to see because it's difficult to remove the indetification with this experience.

You could do what you want, writing mein Kampf and exterminate the inferior races or anything but if you want to be one with the absolute, be totally aligned, then better don't exterminate Jews when you use methamphetamine and heroin every day

Being directly concious is knowing. There are two ways to knowing, one relative, another absolute. The relative is for example knowing that if I stab anyone he's going to die. The absolute is that you are. It's not so simpler than knowing that you are a human, that's relative. Absolute knowing is omniscience and only can happen if you are totally open. I could have absolute knowing 10 minutes ago and now not anymore, then I build relative knowledge over that remember and it's just relative. The absolute I am implies everything, it's total omniscience, but has a little problem: you can't remember it, it's actual, now, and it's mystical extasy, absolute openness. Then, anything else is relative perspective, not false, relative.

What is reincarnation? Something that is going to happen after this life? Happen to whom? What is the difference with a baby that born today or me borning after my death? Everything that exists is the absolute taking a form, then what is the difference between a rat that right now is existing and my next incarnation? Really I don't understand that about reincarnation , if I had many incarnations in the past, how many could be? Millions? I can't remember them, then what is the difference with no one? Maybe all about reincarnation is a lie and all is just a religion, same than Islam or that about Thor and Odin, just tales.

🤣 Imo you are right and wrong. Searching enlightenment to finish the suffering is narcissism and doesn't work, but if you are enlightened, the suffering is zero. But who is enlightened all time? That's nothing that I would like, with a while sometimes is enough, then let's live, suffer and be humans. Btw, that of the suffering is happening to nobody doesn't work, the thing is open yourself to your true nature, not convince yourself that you are nothing. You are something, in fact everything

Yes, attachment is an evolutionary mechanism genetically implanted to ensure the survival of the species, and suffering is the energetic vibration that has been developed by evolution to force the individual to obey the genetic mandate. Transcending all this even for a few minutes is very difficult, it is a methodical and slow work always in the right direction. Clear understanding is essential to avoid falling into mental traps. Suffering happens because the attachment to the impermanence, but without this attachment you would be indifferent to your survival or the survival of the people close you, then the individuals with stronger attachment survive and transmit their legacy, and so on. The problem is that the impermanent is impermanent, then this attachment means suffering by default, all time. The trap of the ego, make us machines of survival but we have to pay the prize: a blocked mind full of anxiety, aggressiveness, hate, fear and evilness. A hell. Enlightenment means seeing through the impermanent, be open to the absolute, but if you are enlightened, you are not so worry about survival, about your genetic legacy, have a family, etc. Then, if all the humans were enlightened, the human kind would be extingued very fast, civilization never would happened. We could be enlightened now, when the survival is guaranteed by technology, and transmit our genetic legacy is not important anymore.

I always intuitively perceived that fear is prison, before having read any book on spirituality, even when I was 8 years old. For me it was essential to face fear, for this I seriously got involved in activities such as clean style rock climbing, hang gliding with delta in extreme conditions, boxing and sailing, with two Atlantic crossings in harsh conditions with old boats alone (with a girl who didn't know about sailing), all this was very challenging since the risk of serious accident and death was very real and you could perceive it clearly right here and now. the real danger, on a 200 m wall 10 m from the last safety, or with a 90 kg Russian guy in front who wants to kill you in a ring, or in a storm of 5 days with gusts of 120 km/h in the middle of the ocean. All this centers you, helps real openness, I think it is recommended in spirituality, inner work and external work. At least for most of us, because we are extremely attached to the body, to the security, in our society it's inevitable, then even we meditate a lot, the fear is still there . Anyway, the attached to the body is extremely difficult to let go

Nihilism is just an opinion, like saying: I think that human life is shit. It's relative, just a feeling, an idea. What is absolute is the existence of this feeling or idea. Absolute meaning is that existence exist, it's not an opinion, it's absolute, it's not mental, you can be open to it and this is enlightenment. Enlightenment like Buddha and Ramakrishna, there is nothing else, it's everything.

@Razard86 maybe you could be so open to your true nature, to what existence is, that for you being tortured, and your family tortured, be sick with cancer and horrible pain, alone eaten by the rats and the insects, could be perceived as the absolute glory of existing

The topic is that the op doesn't see meaning in life. He's wrong, if you get deep in the reality you go through the nihilism and arrive to the absolute meaning: existing. There is no more meaning needed. This is the absolute, the enlightenment, the infinite power. It's not knowing with your mind that existence exist as something logical analizing the facts, it's being open to the existence and perceive it's nature. It's nature is existing, and this is the absolute meaning , it's like a light, that's why they call it enlightenment. Everything is enlightened, full of the light of existence. But we are humans and have a conditioning. This conditioning implies see everything that is against our survival as dark. Then, we get veiled,.it's inevitable

Well, if you say that all the meanings ultimately are existence in any facet, then agree, all the meanings are real. Then for example saying that the meaning of human life is make the humankind to evolve is as real that saying that the meaning of human life is killing people, it depends of the case. That's similar than saying that human life has not a definite meaning, then the only meaning is existing. We could perceive easily our strong bias if we try to affirm truly: the meaning of life is torturing kids. But this is a facet of existing. Existence is wild, it's everything. Then we could say that Maya is just to make differentiations. Torture kids is the same than love kids from an absolute perspective. Both exist. Do you perceive how all your conditioning scream trying to see it? Me yes.

Non existence doesn't exist, then only existence exist. The existence is absolute meaning, it exists. Its total. Other meanings are what they call maya, just illusion. The only real meaning is existing

There is something paradoxical. There is a phase of the spiritual path that is absolute nihilism. You must really, deeply and without a doubt realize that reality is nothing, that it is absolutely empty, to realize later that it is absolutely everything and that is absolutely full. It's totally obvious: you are, then this being encompass the infinity. Nothing can stop or limit it because there is nothing else. You are the totality. Sometimes you get absolutely empty, it's like your body dissapear and there is only a black hole without bottom, nothing. This could be felt as extremely sad, terrific. It's necessary to don't scape of this void, don't try to fill it with mind, be it, open yourself to it. Then what you are can be perceived, the pure being. That's enlightenment, and can't be remembered, just be opened to it now. Then if it closes you haven't it anymore, it's the same if you had it 10 min ago.

Life has an absolute meaning. The meaning is: existing. No more meaning is needed. The existence is like an infinite supernova that explode in existence infinitely. There is not opposite, then it's absolutely expanded, is infinite and it's absolutely alive. It's like an infinite yes, Totally open, with a infinitely positive push. Being is everything, is the totality, infinitely deep and infinitely open. That's what we are, and we have to open our heart to it. You are, that's it, and it's absolutely everything.

All of this is as important as the interactions of bacteria in a mud pond. the importance you give it. In fact that importance and meaning is the veil that veils the nature of the reality. The meaning is what they call maya. The problem with maya is that we, the humans, build it in our minds over genetic basis, then it's very difficult to get rid of if and see infinitely. It's a path.