Breakingthewall

Very good question. First we should define what is experience, then how are the different types of experience. Is experience without perception? Is time without perception? Is time with basic perception? When perception starts to be complex and is aware of itself? Why it's aware of itself? Who is aware of itself is a creation of the perception, or something else?

Yes, there were infinite other egos.

Maybe if you are 14 years old and are prisoner in a jail in Nigeria and every night 10 guys fuck you by force life could be less nice, or if you are a old woman with an stroke alone in a charity hospital that no one visits, or millions of possibilities. Being human is very often suffering. If real suffering seems beautiful to you, then yes. If you and your whole family are impaled and the 3 days of agony watching them and yourself impaled seem beautiful to you, then everything is ok

Imagine how would be the pirates on real. In the 18th century, the English practiced forced conscription to strengthen their fleet. That is, a patrol would lie in wait on the roads and any guy who passed by would be kidnapped, put on the ship and not be allowed to leave the ship for 10 years being forced to fight in sea war. It didn't matter if the guy had 8 children to feed. This was legal and if the guy tried to escape he was hanged. Some of these guys managed to escape, became pirates, and they didn't love people at all.

95% of the assessments of trump are strategy to confuse, then you never know when something is serious, it's like business man strategy to get benefit, for example that about the 100% of taxes

Thats not a koan, it is a question that a guy named Bassui asked himself compulsively since he was 7 years old. He was an interesting guy, a Japanese Zen monk from the 14th century, quite rebellious and independent, focused on meditation. His approach was to penetrate into himself to understand what he is. His question is not a koan, it is a direct question with an answer that requires a total opening of the mind. First you must reach the non-self, then the absolute emptiness and finally the total opening. My answer is because I know those phases, my rude way of answering you is because of your suggestion to contemplate more and reason less, since it seems disrespectful to me, since I didn't asked the advice and I meditate several hours each day and I contemplate uninterruptedly, if was impolite I'm sorry

It's not what I say, it's what solipsism theory says . But anyway, I'm almost sure that Leo doesn't believe this anymore, was a kinda of mistake imo

Any AI would be always limited, you are unlimited, the difference is absolute

@enchanted forget absolutely any conceptual idea about anything in spirituality, just meditate, observe your mind, understand yourself, open yourself, little by little. Never believe any idea about how or what the reality is. Only get deep in you, inside is what you are looking for, outside there is nothing in this field

Simply observe reality, nature, the cosmos. You are that, it is indisputable. What is sought in spiritual work is to open yourself to the reality of what you are. It is obvious that our mind is closed for reasons of survival, focused in a certain way. Opening it is an enigma, it is something very difficult, but in it is the source, the reality itself. If you intuit this, there is only one path: to reach the end.

That's not the solipsism, solipsism means that the people that you see and talk with are imaginary and haven't real experience, you as god are creating them for any reasons, over all because you as god feel alone in the eternity and bored in heaven, then you invented that video game that consists in being a Japanese office worker with depression infinite times.

Then why are you talking with him? If solipsism is true he is not real , is only a product of your imagination. Discuss with him or with anyone else would be meaningless, even psychotic.

What is worthless is answering people who aim to appear wise. Good luck with your game son, I hope it fills you with self-esteem. Anyway, it would be nice if you didn't bother those of us who try to talk seriously. I'm sure there are other forums for children where you'll fit in better.

I didn't answer a koan, I know that it's a big work to read all the thread and all of us have bit adhd nowadays, but the answer was to the question of bassui: who's listening the sound? Btw this is a forum to talk, not to contemplate. Everything that is written is an idea, contemplating is in different moment

Anyway I know the answer: the one who hears the sounds is reality, the universe, God. Through life God becomes concious of itself, awakens from it's sleep. Consciousness is the awakening of reality, sleeping reality is as real as awakened reality, but unconscious of itself. Consciousness is the light that illuminates reality, sound is perception, perception is consciousness, the process of awakening goes deeper into itself infinitely, and that sound is part of it. We are the reality awakening, then we could totally awake to it, open our conciousness to the total depth of what it is, that's enlightenment.

Zen masters are bit contradictory, bassui claims have not desire but he desires a lot to scape from the wheel of samsara to scape from suffering, then you should ask yourself obsessively who is who listen the sound, until you realize it. How many people along the history have questioned obsessively "who's listening the sound" and one day they were enlightened? If you are questioning you are in the logical mind and in the lack, you have the need of knowing something, then you should think that you don't know it, then you are making a lot of diferenciations that come from outside with the hope of finding something called "enlightenment" that comes to you from outside, because bassui told you, because bassui told you that if you don't do, you are going to go to the big shit of suffering. At least some doubts about it

If there is not "I" and the mind is void, who's asking that question?

Reality is absolute, infinite. Then, if now it's one state of consciousness, where are the other possible infinite states of consciousness? Out of the conciousness. Means that that they doesn't exist? No, means that they are not manifested now, but could be manifested.... tomorrow? Then doesn't exist not but will exist tomorrow? Of course because any state of consciousness is a facet of the absolute but only some are manifested now, because the manifestation, aka conciousness, is in the time. The absolute is out of the time and it encompass all the possible states of consciousness but they could happen or not, because the absolute is total potential. Total potential implies conciousness, and unconsciousness

You said that there are levels of consciousness, and that's true, then there are levels of what reality is? No, there are levels of what reality is concious of itself. When you talk about alien conciousness you mean a higher level of consciousness, then your actual level of consciousness is limited, same than the level of any human, because as you said we are like rats in level of consciousness in comparison of what is possible. But same time we are the whole reality, but only concious of itself in part. In a higher part that a rat but less than a hiper concious alien. When I said about a retarded being enlightened it's not a retarded being infinitely conciousness, is being concious of the substance, the flow of reality now, but very limited about the depth. I guess that it's possible be fully concious of reality, but not being human. Anyway, all that implies that you are the whole reality now, but partially concious of yourself

Because reality has not limits that prevent it being fully concious of itself, then conciousness arises, but absolute reality is beyond conciousness. But anyway, that discussion is meaningless, anyone can understand it in different ways, what's important is be able to open our field of consciousness to perceive the nature of reality, the flow that we are and the depth that is being manifested to realize that we are that, we are always at home, evolving with the movement of reality in our mind and heart. Seems that there is a evolutive process taking place, then let's evolve as much as is possible

Then you are defining conciousness like something that is beyond conciousness. Conciousness means reality manifested, reality that is conciouss of itself, that perceives itself. If really doesn't perceive itself there is not conciousness.

That's true in the sense of knowing the scope and structure of manifest reality, but a human can be completely open to the essence of reality, to what reality is, even if he is a mentally retarded person who cannot learn to read. What closes perception is the genetic configuration of the mental structure programmed by evolution for survival. Evolution is not interested in mentally retarded people in mystical ecstasy who are open to the essence of reality, but as a possibility it is possible. It is also possible that this mentally retarded person is unable to learn to speak, and still be completely enlightened. Enlightenment is the openess to the immutable that's the source of everything, not the understanding of the manifested reality aka conciousness

Solipsism would mean that you are imagining what you are reading here, it's just a conceptual idea that for me is meaningless, I don't care if you are real or not metaphisically talking, I would say that you are real, but if you aren't, what's the difference? What I want is the total expansion of my mind and the total openess to the absolute About what you said, agree, people confuse conciousness with reality because they think that reality is perception, when perception is just a manifestation of reality

Consciousness is a misleading term that no one explains clearly. Right now I am conscious of myself in a crowded subway stop. I am conscious is a construction within the manifestation of reality now, therefore consciousness would be the manifest reality at a given moment. If reality does not manifest as perception there is no consciousness, but there is still non-conscious reality. You, that is, the perceiver, cannot understand this since for the perceiver perception is absolute since without perception he does not exist, but this is a limited vision that the perceiver has since he cannot conceive of any reality outside of himself.

The problem with these methods is that every mind is different, with profound differences. For me, trying to focus the mind is torture and impossible. True meditation began in a way that seems quite silly, reciting a mantra while walking down the street constantly: nothing means nothing. Little by little I was accepting this fact. It doesn't mean that nothing means anything in general, but that I want to put myself in a state of mind in which meaning is deactivated. When you deactivate meaning, the mind stops creating conceptual thought threads, they fade away naturally. This doesn't mean that you have broken through the mental boundaries completely, but that you have gone down from the superficial conceptual layer, you are outside of it, the mind becomes liquid, fluid, but it is still limited. You can go for quite a long time without any thoughts, because if they don't mean anything, you don't need them to survive. Then you can try something else: you become aware of your sensory perception, of sounds, the sensation of your body, the sensation of the flow of reality. Is this the reality? Or are you the one who perceives these sensations? Are you the witness of the flow that occurs, of perception? So, without this flow, this witness, what is it? If you separate yourself from perception, the perceiver reveals himself as a non-existent point, there is no perceiver without perception, there is absolutely nothing. Is this nothing the final realization? No you have to be able to bear this, because the first time is horrible, it is perceived as death. If you are able to bear the sensations of absolute absence, horror of emptiness, it happens that nothingness reveals itself as the absolute, the absence of limits implies the total, then nothingness opens up and reveals itself as everything. It's like the nothingness opens and it's full. Full of what? Of you. You are that, the absolute