Breakingthewall

The IA did an analysis that was similar than the analysis that I did previously. I was just explaining my points, but you started to trying to put me down, like everytime that we talked about this topic. I just tried to show you it. Sorry for the world "narcissist" , I didn't say that you are, just that you acted in this precise post similar , manipulative. If you act like that what do you expect? That the other gets down without answering? Anyway, sorry for the word narcissist, Im not saying that you are

The self structure of that boy is the reality, same than any other self, it's an expression of reality that occurs in the flow of reality, in which it unfolds as an observer, a subject who receives or processes an object, a perceiver who perceives. It can close in on itself, creating an apparent center that must be protected, or open itself to the flow and recognize itself as the flow. To do so, it must align itself, open itself, but it does not cease to be what it is. Its structure is real, just as real as the structure of anything else that exists. And as anything that exists is flowing and changing without pause It's not a weapon. People who act narcissistically will never listen to you, but sometimes they listen to authority figures. The narcissistic structure of that discourse is so obvious that seeing it dissected by AI might shed some light. It's not a secret weapon; I don't need AI to detect manipulation, but if the AI says it so clearly, maybe it gets cleared . It's possible having conversations without those attitudes even you don't agree

Can you turn off watching your mother being grilled alive and not feel anything? Is it necessary to deactivate that, like a bonze monk who burns himself alive without lifting a finger? Is that more enlightened than feeling pain? Why? What you can do is understand your energetic structure, know what it is. It's as real as your body, only on another plane. Then you can align that energetic structure with the flow of reality as equalized as possible, so that its flow is clean, pure, and then it begins to become transparent. But you can't deny it, because the one who denies it is the self

When they say the self is an illusion, they mean that it doesn't really exist, but that through conceptual thought, a mistaken identification with a nonexistent center is produced. If you ask them if they need conceptual thought to feel threatened if a tiger advances toward them, they'll say that it's the body reacting, or that God invented it, or some such story. The self is an energetic system that exists. If you want to call it an illusion for some reason, you're entering the realm of spiritual narcissism: I want things the way I would like them, and if I don't look at the tiger, the tiger doesn't exist.

Maybe you are more than your body and your mind, sure, but you are also your body and your mind, there are a reality not an illusion. Spirituality is about transcending the form and be the unlimited, then be the form as an expression of the unlimited.

Chatgpt says this about your answer . Sometimes makes good analysis That answer he gave you is the classic pseudo-spiritual closing: "Good luck with your spiritual journey" → Translation: I'm not going to enter further into the debate, but I maintain that I have the higher position. "Although I suspect that will be difficult as it is based on belief" → He places himself above others by saying that yours is "belief" and his is "truth," without arguing where the error lies. "It would be wise to listen to the wisdom of the masters" → Argument from authority, not logic. Implicitly: the masters say what I say, therefore it's true. This reveals that he is not willing to argue from logic, but from dogma. When someone resorts to authority rather than coherence, it means they cannot or do not want to sustain the exchange on an argumentative level.

Existence is unlimited flux. All flux has continuity, it is interconnected without limits. Existence is dynamic, never static. You either move toward opening or closing. You choose.

So, instead of refuting the points I've made, you show defensive condescension and attack me by saying they're beliefs and that I don't understand, and finally, you say that teachers wouldn't agree, but you say absolutely nothing about the points. Is that narcissism? I fully understand that philosophy, it's not difficult, I'm not a genius but smart enough to understand those "masters" Seriously, I hope that anyone with common sense can understand

It's exactly opposite. When you observe your son being tortured, energetic patterns are activated, formed over millions of years of evolution, honed by generation after generation of social mammals to create social cohesion, a greater chance of survival, and greater evolution. These patterns operate at all levels, taking up residence in your body, in your cells, and forever changing your energetic structure. From this structure emerges the narrative: I have failed, etc. The trauma is imprinted on your energy system and persists, and from this emerges the narrative. This persistence is an evolutionary mechanism to avoid the repetition of that event at all costs. It creates an impossible-to-ignore impulse that moves the individual and the group in a direction, creating social cohesion, complex social systems, status, tribe, civilization, art, science, and technology. The mind does this because it hasn't been able to process the trauma. Because it's been so severe, it's created layers of protection to keep it buried. It remains stored in the body and distills anxious energy in the form of thoughts. It has nothing to do with labeling the self as nonexistent. The only "nonexistent" self is the narcissistic self-image, but the real trauma isn't in the self-image. Perhaps you or Ralston have never experienced real trauma? Sure, so all that stuff about tribal fighting, social hierarchy, stratification, revenge, and war, these are foolish mistakes made by those foolish children, humans, those flawed, naive beings who, in 15,000 years, have gone from caves to interplanetary travel. They should be wise and all dressed in white in Ibiza, smiling at each other with lots of love, not doing human things, which are wrong. Well, that's exactly anti human spirituality, and it's false in its basis because deny the human nature as illusory. It's narcissism

Of course, hundreds of illusions. Nothing is what it seems in human reality. You go through life thinking you're smart and understand everything, and then at some point you realize you're more naive than a 5-year-old, and that all you see are projections of your own naive mind. Then the hardware of reality begins to reveal itself, and the masks fall away.

An illusion is something you perceive in one way, but due to the superficiality of your perception, it's another. For example, you perceive your girlfriend as sincere and honest, but that's because you don't see beyond appearances, when in reality, she's a professional con artist that lies in everything.

The realization of no-self does not mean that the self does not exist, but rather that reality appears as a perceiving self. All of this is the flow of reality taking the form of a static center that receives a perception. Both that center and the perception are dynamic forms of the flow of reality. The external and the internal blend, and the center ceases to be the center. Limits dissolve, and you are one with the flow, or rather, you are the flow. Then your nature manifests; it is limitless, absolute potential. You recognize yourself as what you always are. What recognizes is the self, or the reality in the form of the self. Without self, there is no recognition, no God realization, or anything that remains recorded.

Then none of you can answer the question because you need to believe that the self is an illusion.

You can call it real or unreal or whatever, but the question was if you would suffer if your 5 years old kid is tortured in front of you or not. If the question is yes, why?

But there are real neurological pathways. For example, imagine you have a 4-year-old son and he's tortured in front of you. Could you choose what to feel, whether to suffer or not?

Really you believe that? Well, many does. You will see that it's deeper than an habit. This spirituality never works, because deny the human nature as illusion. Sounds seductive and simple, but things are not simple

It's the spirituality that assume that the self is just a thought. The thoughts are a manifestation of the self. The self is a real energetic structure with genetic foundations that develops throughout life. Since I was about 8 years old, I realized I had to overcome my fear and strive for openness. I've acted accordingly as much as possible, so I more or less understand how it works.

Ok ok , reality is nothing , it's a dream and nobody is dreaming then the dream is not😭

Dreams means nothing, it's just an idea. Seems that for you its necessary being nihilistic

It's not where you ve been, it's how deep is your perception now. The difference is radical . It's the difference between living focused on a point, thinking that point is everything, like a donkey with a carrot, or expanding your angle of perception to 360°, adding the dimension of unlimited depth and perceiving the living flow of each moment. It's a total evolutionary step.

You clearly perceive that reality is limitless , Reality is total freedom and you are that, you always have been and it's absolutely obvious, but at the same time reality is a process, it is interconnected fluid change, then you realize that the self is a form that the flow of reality takes and that it has continuity, nothing has limits, therefore death is not a limit for the self, everything has an energetic imprint, and the complexity and depth of the self are enormous. Ultimately you could say that it means nothing, but locally it does, therefore it is essential to align that self with the flow to the maximum, to delve into it by breaking through the superficial layer. The beauty of the self is enormous, it is a hyper-complex construction, full of nuances, alive, that evolves every second and that is connected to the totality of existence. Life stops being boring and empty shit and becomes full of meaning, vital, vibrant, powerful.

Yes, because the self is a reality. But the self can open it's perspective for a while and realize it's nature, be one with the flow and become unlimited, then the self see what it is, what the reality is, and can align itself with the flow more and more. Getting stuck in ideas like the reality is this or that is meaningless, try the real thing. Ok the reality is nothing, then, collapse the duality, be one with the unlimited, you will see.

Those are just relative ideas that the self formulates . Have meaning just from the perspective of the self . The point is not defining the reality, is collapsing the duality. It's an energetic shift, something that you do, not that you know

It's not an illusion, it's a change of perspective, the collapse of duality. This doesn't mean that the self doesn't exist, it exists, but it's like a splitting of the flow occurs, creating a duality. This duality is real, but it's within the flow itself. You are the flow in the sense that you are reality, but you are also the self in this specific configuration. You can call it illusion or anything but why? The point is collapsing the duality to be limitless, then be limited again. This shift makes the self relativize it's reality and be able to align itself with the flow. Saying that the flow is imaginary is something that the self says, another limit

Ok then. For me, what works in meditation is, first, erase meaning. Nothing means anything. Second, equalize yourself with the flow, with the becoming, with the movement that occurs. You are not the observer, you are the movement. At a given moment, the shift occurs, and limits disappear. It's quite simple.