Breakingthewall

Totally agree, enlightenment is the path of the real sanity. The straight behavior, clean mind, open heart. Could seem insanity for some if you compare it with the worldy behavior, but what is insanity is being a greedy person who want to fuck prostitutes when he's married and drink every day😅, quite high level or insanity . Path of enlightenment is absolutely straight, is looking the existence in the face, and could seem insane because you are the first one in the universe who is doing it if you do. But the existence is perfect, then if you are open to it, there is not insanity

Yes of course, what I meant is that if it's possible to stop being relative and be just absolute for ever as you say. The terms for ever, another life, etc , are very confusing, because without the relative there is not "happening", then as you use to say, the experience dissapear. Would you like that? Why? It's better existing that don't exist I think , or maybe it's my attachment

Exactly, conciousness, the experience, is an illusion, the time, the movement, all that is happening, but as an hologram if you place yourself in the absolute. What you always say is that you want to finish the illusion and place for ever yourself in the absolute. What means this? If the illusion is an illusion, then you already are placed for ever in the absolute, that's the thing to realize I think. Because we know that the immersion in the relative could be quite challenging, saying it soft. Really I think that the relative is for ever, but who knows those things?

How do you know that? We are talking in a level of concepts very slippery, but I think that I get what you mean. Me, as many others, I have the idea or feeling that only me, and no other in the world have the key of enlightenment. I think that this is a mental strategy that happens to isolate your mind of anything to be able to open it really, then I have the compulsion of talk and talk, to clarify myself, to go deeper, avoid the mistakes . Why all the masters are so weird? Look sadhguru, why he talks so much about supernatural things? That's seems histories. The only person that I read a bit and seem to me that has the key of enlightenment is David hawkings, but then he say a brunch of stupid things. It's difficult to find any good pointer, masters are not real, I see falsehood in all of them, all are demons who lies 🤣

Exactly and precisely. If you can be totally concious in deep sleep, you have mastered death. That is real enlightenment, and no one here have achieved it. I don't claim that I did, I claim that I know what it is, I could immerse is some punctual moment, enough to understand how works the thing. The openess to the absolute is the conquer of death. Not small thing . It's not a game, is the real thing, the absolute, absolute open yourself to the totality . It's the best option possible. Any other option could be tempting, but is less. The absolute is everything

Yes it's possible to be conscious in deep sleep, just that In deep sleep there is no time, it's just absolute. The absolute is precisely deep sleep, out of the time.

From an absolute point of view, reality is only appearance, the individual is an illusion. The self must disappear and you must merge with the total. It is a difficult movement, of great dedication. It is truly opening your heart without reservations. For me it is very difficult, I am very attached to the mundane, but being able to do it at some point, or being as close to it as possible is the only thing that brings sanity to existence. The other option is madness.

There is reality out of consciousness, thinking that reality is conciousness is a mistake. Conciousness is in the reality, but reality is not conciousness, that's the Leo's mistake, that could make you psychotic. You can feel the absolute reality, the immensity. It's the infinite potential, but it exists out of the conciousness, the conciousness is just a bubble that happens in it, and we identify ourselves with that bubble, with the conciousness, but it's flat. Hidden, behind the conciousness, the absolute is. It's in another dimension, hidden in your heart, all the infinity, the absolute. Has no color, no dimension, it's nothing but it's everything. Is nothing that you could name, define, think, perceive. It's not perception, is openess. The absolute is not "something", it's absolutely impossible to talk, but saying it's nothing is nonsense, it's everything.

If you want I could say, you have to open to yourself, but it's more you have to open to reality because that you is the ego. It's an energetic configuration that the reality takes to create this form. Seems that the reality is like an infinite kaleidoscope that creates increasingly complex configurations, and each one of them contains the entire infinity, that is the nature of the infinite, it is not divisible, the part is the whole, so openness is to stop perceiving yourself as the concrete form and perceive yourself as total reality. This is totally possible, because we really are that. Really, here and now, it is not a mystical story, it is reality, it is something normal, infinity. then, once you perceive yourself as the unlimited whole you perceive the part as what it is, flow of reality taking this form, so the jokes are over, absolutely every gesture has meaning and repercussion, life is pleasure for the fact to exist but it is also evolution, ascension I talk about this in the forum not by theory, it's because if I met some friends to talk about stupidity I get bored, I'm interesting in the absolute, then, if you are a pretty girl, welcome to talk about nonsense, but if you aren't (and I'm afraid that), I'm only interested in the game of the cosmos

You have to open to yourself, because you are closing yourself with energetic blockages. It's impossible that you are anything different than the reality but the human energetic configuration is blocked by default, it's genetic. Fear, need to acceptance, evolutive tools extremely strong that we are trying to overcome I only talk of my experience and my perception, zero theory, just expression of my reality

I see it differently, it is not just ceasing identification, it is being open to what reality is, to its power, to the energy of existence, allowing it to flow without hindrance. The main obstacle is fear, which translates into control. The cause of fear is ignorance. The lack of understanding of reality makes you afraid, this is not bad, it is a sign of intelligence. Ignorance and absence of fear is stupidity. Erasing ignorance does not mean knowing that you are god or anything else, it means understanding that you are, you are flowing as a vital flow of existence. This allows you to abandon yourself more and more, give up control, open yourself to the true nature of living reality, what allows deeper understanding, meaning understanding the realization of you as a flow, nothing definite or conceptual. There are many layers, we are operating in a superficial layer. It's possible to see deeper and deeper, but what is important is not seeing deeper, is realizing what you are, what is the substance, the total openess, the infinity that is. That is you, not another thing, precisely you, it's not someone, it's the absolute being, what is impossible not be. It's the consequence of the total depth and width without limits . Then, I still afraid, I don't want become sick or cutting my legs, but I deeply know that if that happens it's the flow that must happen. I'm projecting to the good, to the success, the love, the business, the positive human push, but just following the flow, let's see where it leads, what's obvious is that the path is limitless, then better don't do stupidity, not even one. It's not a yoguic path of being out of the world. The game is here, it's extremely complex, like swimming in a race of obstacles being blind. Only the instinct work. Fascinating right? Reality is meaningless, but in life even a single word has infinite weight, it develop in infinite butterfly effect in all the cosmos. This is a dance like the dervish in a blade.

What are the chains of the mind exactly? The only chain is be close to the nature of reality, and the openess is not achieved repressing the mind in my opinion

First, those gurus they copy each other and don't know what they're talking about. It's like I'm telling you: why do all religious people say that if you touch your penis, the baby Jesus cries? Are they all wrong? are you touching your penis? You don't mind that the baby Jesus cries? are you a monster? Maybe yes. Maya is the meaning that the ego gives to the reality, the reality is meaningless, because it's limitless, it's very simple. In absence of limits any meaning is apparent, not real, because there is no place to go, the point a is the same than the point b, the only meaning is being, and that's not a meaning. Those indian religious believe that the live has the meaning of finishing the karma because if not baby shiva cries. Well, I could think that I have to die with a sword in my hand to fuck a lot in the other life. Maybe it's true, but ultimately nothing has any meaning, the meaning is illusion, because the only thing that exists is being reflecting in itself, and castrating the mind with self control is not going to make any liberation. Movement is the same than stillness in it's essence. Those gurus make a difference, then, they are wrong.

Deep sleep, or anesthesia means no conciousness, the interruption of consciousness. If consciousness is interrupted, time is interrupted. What is reality without self-awareness? absolute potential. If the potential is absolute, it is absolutely certain that consciousness will re-emerge. What does "will come back" mean when there is no time? "It will come back" implies the future, but if there is no time, when it "will come back"? now, infinitely. That doesn't mean that reality is conciousness, means that reality, the infinite depth, implies conciousness, it's different

Reality does not come from nothing, it is infinite being. Infinity implies that it has no beginning or end, therefore it does not begin, it is. Consciousness has a beginning and an end, but the interval between end and beginning is outside of time, so there is always consciousness in the timeline, as we use "always" as a temporal concept. Deep sleep is not nothingness, it is the infinite unmanifested being. Consciousness is the manifestation of infinite being. Enlightenment is realizing that you are the infinite being, beyond any manifestation. All those who say: "reality is consciousness", have not understood. Understanding is not something intellectual, it is the opening to reality. When you understand that you cannot traspass a wall walking towards it, it is not an intellectual understanding, it is an opening to a reality. The understanding of the total being is the same, it is opening yourself to it beyond what is manifest. Understanding that deep sleep is absolute being is be open to the nature of reality

You can call it push of being, will of existing, absolute movement of expansion, existence, and some would say that this is equivalent to love.

that yogis can do amazing things with control of their body is a fact, but this thread is about sadhguru saying that a guy can live without rebreathing. It doesn't say you can hold your breath for 20 minutes, it says you can live without breathing, and that is impossible.

Shit , you have ruined the image I had in mind

I mean doing something supposedly impossible like stop breathing, stop eating, move objects with the mind, levitation, etc. Not possible things, even they are difficult and impressive. It's different right?

Ishanga is teacher of martial arts. If you do that, he will automatically give you an aerial spinning kick with a kung fu scream that will instantly make you become an enlightened sage, since you will have died.

Yes, it's impressive. A 60 years old woman crossed the Strait of Florida swimming, 24 hours without stopping among sharks, she was the first person in the world to do it, it is really impressive, but imagine if she had done it without breathing. So, it would be what that yogi says he did, that would deserve an in-depth study because it revolutionizes the understanding of the cosmos. That sadhguru instead of a month taking 7 days to recover does not revolutionize the understanding of the cosmos. Of course he's strong, he's not full of blockages, then his body works good, but nothing magic like stop breathing or stop eating, all in the domain of the physics

Those are possible things, change your brain waves is possible for any meditator, change your heart rithm is impressive, but heart rithms changes, same than temperature. What would be more impressive would be stop breathing, because it's impossible. Same than levitation, or other things that goes against physics. Change your temperature doesn't goes against physics

It is strange that never, not even once, have these yogis undertaken a scientific test of their prowess. I understand that they are far above something as crude as science, so stupid and naive, but as a condescension to the underdeveloped inferior Westerners, they could have the enormous condescension, at least once, to demonstrate their cheap magician tricks with a team of scientists testing.

The reality is the absolute being, the conciousness is the absolute being reflecting in itself, that is the relative experience. If the absolute being is not reflecting in itself, there is no,"happening" , then, as in any moment happening is, always happening is, because the option b isn't happening. Then, a speculation: Observing reality, we see that absolutely everything is cyclical. life, stars, atoms, universes. They begin and end, they are circular movement that ends where it began, since in an infinite frame there is no other final place to reach except the beginning. then we could deduce that the relative reflection of the absolute being in itself follows this same pattern. The being looks at itself and this reflection is like when you contrast two mirrors, it is infinite. Initially it is absolutely basic, and given its infinity it begins to coordinate synchronously with itself. infinite dimensions perfectly coordinated for the simple reason that what is not perfectly coordinated to infinity does not appear. It is an unmanifest possibility, the manifest is perfectly coordinated. This coordination creates increasingly complex forms, cycles within cycles to infinity, which increase in complexity until reaching infinite totality, looking directly at itself in a cosmic dance that branches without limit. At a given moment, the total cycle ends, the infinite structure that has reached infinite perfect coordination bursts and the dance of form begins again.

Yes of course, I mean that are the same in it's quality or substance. The point of spirituality is realizing what reality is. Reality could vibrate in many different ways, but its essence is always the same. As more open are you to your true nature, less anxious or suffering vibration . To be open to your true nature you have to abandon the relative perspective in some moments You are differentiating between you, who would be the source that produces the experience and the experience. like a projector and what it projects, this is a perspective, the relative one. If you place yourself in the absolute perspective, there is not perceptor VS perception, there is only reality. The configuration of the human experience has a genetic basis that is tend to the good, avoid the bad. It's impossible to avoid this, and along the life this closes you inevitably. The reason this is so is that it has been the most efficient configuration to reach this level of complexity, we already know what the problem is, the creation of a very unpleasant mental structure that constantly borders on madness, an imbalance that forces the movement and makes humans evolutionary machines In some cases, like yours, the individual decides to reverse that innate imbalance to balance in the now. The imbalance takes its impetus from the closing of the mind to what is perceived as negative, and the persecution of what is perceived as positive, this causes a constant movement that causes us to have vaccines and drop atomic bombs on cities. If you have made the decision to reverse the innate imbalance, at least to a certain extent, enough so that life is not an infernal race to nowhere, you must expand in the now, that is, becoming absolute. to do so you must eliminate the barriers that close you, you must hurry the whole cup, as they say. then existence changes frequency, it goes from being a skating race on the frozen surface of the lake (not without stimulating and beautiful challenges) and becomes an immersion in the depth of the lake. For me the ideal is to skate with art and aggression, seeking perfection, and at will melt the surface and dive into the lake, merge with it and be the lake. Why not have everything if you can? I think that the action of karma is a manifestation of intelligence. The relative perspective is the engine of the creation, without that there is only undefined being. Reality has the inevitable impulse of creation, as we could see, then the relative is inevitable. Samadhi is not no mind, it's absolute perspective. In absolute perspective there could be thoughts, in relative perspective there could be silence. It's a change of angle, not an effort to silence the mind. Absolute perspective means that there is not difference between you/not you, that difference is relative perspective, that isn't false, is relative. Absolute perspective can be at different levels of depth, because it's never totally absolute since we have a strong relative programming. In some points you could perceive the reality just as emanations, fluid movements than dance with itself without any observer, not definite forms, just fluid that coordinate within itrself perfectly, and recognize yourself as that from eternity. that recognition brings a different color and energy into life. you have access to the inexhaustible energy of reality, it flows into you directly, since that is what you are and there are no mental barriers that block it, this is pleasure and freedom by default Mentally more than teenager 😉. I can't avoid to put my finger in the eye of your ego, I'm sorry. But you are acting as a teacher saying extremely confusing things, and many people could get confused, then I put a little of weight in the other side of the balance to equilibrate a bit and avoid some psychosis 😅