Breakingthewall

@Ishanga there is something interesting about sadhguru: he never talk about meditation. Meditation in the sense of the observation of the mind, the structures of the experience and the experienced, the difference between void and full, those things that make the mind plastic, flexible. His approach to enlightenment y mostly physical, energetic. That's right? Shadana doesn't care about the movement in the mind right? Just about the energetic flow

Thanks for sharing what you studied, it's very interesting, but as you said, better don't believe, nor disbelieve. For me it's an idea that have some contradictions

What @PurpleTree says is that this idea about cycles or reincarnation that ends when you achieve "enlightenment" maybe is just a mistake and reality doesn't works like that. @Ishanga why do you believe that? Maybe you achieve moksha and then are more cycles, or maybe reincarnation is a misunderstanding and never happened. Have those ideas without really knowing them seems a hindrance

I think it's evolution, but who knows

Sorry to know. Yes, when mess happen meditation is not easy. Some 5meo was useful for me in those situations

Thanks! How's your meditation? Still every morning?

Not so easy for me, in my experience if you want to open yourself in a real way you have to meditate very seriously, 2, 3 hours every single day for long time absolutely focused in how you are attached, in the movement of your psyche. There is a time when it's easy be on silent, no thought, but there is still attachment. It's something mechanic. For me is still very difficult to break the attachment, the limitation, but I manage to do in some moments. Then you see the experience in what it is, and what reality is, the unlimited that is the total potential, the nothing that is everything. Not easy to get out of the human, a hard work, but must be done. Anything else is confusion

In some moment you realize that anything that happens is an aspect of the absolute that you are, then you accept yourself and stop fearing yourself, because you open yourself to what you are.

You say that without understandig what I said. It's not theory, it's something that you have to do , open yourself to the unlimited. You answer just by reaction, it's very difficult to talk with the people here because no one in interesting in breaking the attachment of the mind, the experience, everyone is only interested in being special. Extremely difficult the topic because people is arrogant and surrounded by walls

The fact of existing is absolute beauty, or is perceived like that if you remove the human bias

Yeah, but "beauty" is just a relative appreciation. It's different for example if you are in a gulag in Siberia working as slave, then you see the "ugly", but both are just facets of the absolute. The absolute is not beautiful is absolute , but of course you could see the beauty of the ugly

Another unclear point about “the man” is his Buddhist view of the cycle of rebirth. So you are trapped in a cycle, for some reasons, and you must free yourself, stop the cycle. So what? There are no more cycles. Never? When is never? Next month, when you do mashamadi? And then eternity in non-experience? Who would be in non-experience? Nobody. So there would never have been cycles, so it is the same whether they end or not, so their sacred mission is bullshit. There will always be experience, because non-experience is “never”. Obviously.

Realizing the absolute doesn't need stop thinking, because without thought you are still in the experience, perceiving sounds, feeling your body. What is needing is realize what you are without any perception, detach yourself from the perception, then the perceptor dissapear. The perceptor is the door that closes, is like a barrier. If the perceptor opens itself detaching the perception, the unlimited manifest. Then the experience is revealed as an arising that is emanating , you can't think in it because if you do, you are in the experience again, you could think realizing that thought is just the experience, doesn't mean absolutely nothing in absolute perspective. It's a difficult game, but not so magic, it's normal, possible

Liberation means detachment of the experience, be detached of the perception, then the unlimited manifest, it's not thinkable because any thought is in the experience, then it only could be realized out of the experience. Then any adjective like "illusion" closes because is in the experience, in the mind

It's not how it works. The experience is the perception, the emanation that is arising from the absolute. If you erase all perception the absolute realizes itself. It's absolute void absolute potential, it's not "happening", it's not an experience, the experience is happening in it. You could call it illusion or real, its exactly the same because that differentiation happens in the experience, out of the experience there is not illusion vs real. The experience is relative, needs a perceptor and a perception, without perception there is not perceptor, then there is not relativeness just absolute. Any perception emanates from the absolute, then it's the absolute, a face of the absolute, then it's same real than the absolute, just presented in relative form. In short, that of the illusion has not meaning

something obviously disturbing about sadhguru is that according to him all indian traditions, without exception, have a real and legitimate basis. ayurvedic medicine, funeral rites, theories about reincarnation, etc. but only indian traditions. that is, bleeding the sick with leeches or going on a pilgrimage to mecca no, but doing certain indian rites according to him makes it easier for your relative to move on to a phase of existence after death, better, whatever, but only indian ones, no sacrificing children by ripping out their hearts to make it rain, no, eating mercury yes, bury alive one year yes, go to the paradise with the Virgins no. Baptism to avoid the hell no, but yoga to go to nirvana yes. Shit, they are better than the others! What about the untouchables? Could they go to nirvana? Edit: he's against the castes and believe in the unity of india as a nation independent of religion. His project seems more political than mystic. It's legit, it's not intently bad trying to improve a nation . He's very difficult to understand because he's theoretically a mystic but over all a politician. Both could be together, why not?

No because the I that you perceive is just this concrete experience, if you where me, you weren't "you" anymore, except if you call "you" the fact of being a perceptor that perceives a perception, then all of us are the same: a center of perception. But that's nothing, just a point in nowhere. If you call "you" to the absolute, the whole reality that is, then you and me are the same, but that's not a "you", is the source, the positive push that exists, then it's already everything, "you" wont be me because you already are me

Exactly, and all people would say: ohhhhhh genius, of course he knows the 84 universes, no doubt

Why? He's very smart and workholic, very focused, strong energy, clean mind. He's not the average guy, for sure, but that's different than be able to protect you from demons and make you enlightened with his sole presence.

Not small issue. And for encouraging that he says that he is a super human with super powers that knows the 84 universes and can be buried without breathing for 1 year, and that he would beat Superman with one hand

Sometimes I see sadhguru and every movement of his head, every tender/happy movement of his hands , every word, seem to me absolute evilness 🤣. But other times seems the opposite. Maybe he's Satan 🤣🤣

🤣🤣Yes, he implies many times that Islam is shit and indian tradition is the best.

Really that's not important, what is important is if those millions of followers are going to rise their level of consciousness or not. Then, when they were enough conciouss, they will realize all the bullshit 😅

He's very nationalist because he thinks that is very important for india being unite, have national identity, pride of their tradition and history because anything else would be chaos. India is huge and very complex, probably he's right in his approach. Modi is a charismatic leader that seem that will rule india for long, then be against him is stupid, better triying to influence in him and collaborate with him

That of the mistake was just humorous response, light conversation. Anyway if you look close what sadhguru says he says a lot of simplicities and mistakes because he talks a lot. For example with Ralph he said: nowadays we have a lot of technology and we are more destructive than ever. Yes sure, in the Roman empire everyone was so kind and vegan. But the point is not what sadhguru says is his essence, that's the thing that we should to understand.