Breakingthewall

I've been listening to Tolle and I've seen the same mistake again, but more clearly. Tolle says: There's a voice in your head all the time. This voice is always the same, it's you, and it triggers feelings and emotions. But this voice isn't real. The feelings it provokes, however, are real. They're chemical reactions in the body and affect the physical. Do you agree that this is an important part of Tolle's message? Well, this is absolutely wrong, from the root. That was the intuition I had when reading him, and now I see it with absolute clarity. Let's see, that unreal voice that is always you, that tells you negative things, and that you can, according to Tolle, change at will, is nothing other than the manifestation of an absolutely real energetic structure created by millions of living generations evolving. Tolle doesn't understand what a human being is, what the mind is, what the openness to the absolute is, I assure you. His message is wrong from the root. You can't silence your inner voice with your will; that is violence, and it will make that voice manifest in other ways. Oh, and please, don't get angry, I'm not attacking you. I'm analyzing Tolle from a very clear perspective because I've been where he preaches, trying to change my inner speech. It's never going to work. Your inner speech will only change if the structure that produces it changes. To penetrate this structure is to open your mind and heart to the limitless. It's impossible to do so from willpower, because willpower is part of that structure. We're talking about a very complex issue. You create your mental structure on genetic pillars. Sorry, you don't create it, reality creates it. Your mind is a manifestation of the total reality, a structure of reality formed by multiple energetic layers on a pattern created over millions of years of evolutionary movement. In the same way that your body is an energetic pattern that places atoms in exact places, your mind places energetic vibrations in exact places, and it is as solid and as real as your body. You cannot defeat your mind because you are your mind. You can open your heart and your mind and break through the barriers that limit you and expand into the absolute. Then, from this perspective, understand the energetic patterns that constitute you and align them. And always to a certain extent, you will always, as long as the current structure exists, be this structure, this color and flavor of reality, this specific configuration. Because you did not create this configuration. You are not God. You ultimately are the substance of reality. And this substance flows and synchronizes with itself to infinity, infinite structures that fit together into a perfect mosaic. You are infinitely limited by yourself as a form and absolutely unlimited as an essence. Tolle captures part of the essence, but his openness is partial, so his message, although seductive, is incomplete, and therefore wrong.

Good quotes. Christianity must be understood as a path to openness to the absolute, like any other religion with a basis in truth. The way it is formulated causes people who are not prepared to understand this to perceive a dual message: me, the sinful human, and God, my creator and judge. The Bible repeatedly states that God is in you and that you and God are one. The kingdom of heaven is the opening to the whole that the simple of heart, those who are not encapsulated by self-image and are detached, can achieve. Eternal life and paradise are now, the realization of the immortality of being and the opening to its glory. The Christian message is simple, direct, and precise. A well-formulated religion that must be interpreted. Perhaps better formulated and more complete than any other

Christianity is a simple and brilliant metaphor, in fact typical of an absolute genius. It explains that human beings are cursed, expelled from the Garden of Eden for having a mind. This makes them a being without a place in the world, condemned to suffering. Within them is the animal impulse and the awareness of their own mortality, the curse of knowing and processing while being tied to the wheel of war, hatred, desire and fear, the engines of the evolution of life, the trap of the ego. Through suffering, humans can surrender their karma, their animality, and become divine, opening their eyes and their hearts to infinity and thus closing the circle of life, being one with the absolute.

Christianity has a lot of truth in it, because what it preaches—forgiveness, love for one's fellow human beings—is a key that opens the door. True spirituality is openness. Humans are closed by default, by their karma, or, if you prefer, by original sin, by their genetics, which drive them toward hatred, war, and selfishness. The genetics of life evolves through war, leading to the human being, who must transcend it and open their minds to the infinite immensity, to the truth of what is. It's not possible to do this if there is vengeance, rage, hatred, separation, war within you. You have to surrender them, and this is the essence of Christianity. Obviously, almost no one understands it this way because you have to be at the right evolutionary point to see it.

The Quran's essence is threat. It's a book designed to enslave through terror and castrate minds, For example, the Quran tells you how you should wipe your ass, with which hand and how many strokes to remove the shit. What's paradoxical is Sufism, which is first-class mysticism, perhaps the deepest mysticism

This guy tries to explain why things are the way they are, and makes logical deductions, trying to explain the reason for suffering. Suffering is an energetic frequency necessary to synchronize infinity. Or to put it another way, suffering arises because, given the structure of infinity at a given moment, it's the frequency that matches the whole. Any religion is wrong because it assumes things should be a certain way, when from an absolute point of view, things cannot be any different than they are. But you're also wrong (unless I don't understand well what you explain) when you say that God does such and such for a reason. God isn't a maker; it's reality. And reality flows on itself, creating structures ad infinitum, because that's its nature. There's no mind conducting the orchestra. This is absolutely impossible because the orchestra is infinite. Therefore, the only possible direction is synchronicity. Nothing can appear that isn't infinitely synchronized in infinite dimensions. And on the other hand, the energetic vibration that fits into infinite synchronicity will inevitably arise, since the fact that it can appear means that it does. This is the nature of reality. There's no creator. There's no one behind the scenes. There's only the absence of limits. And this makes the infinite movement we call reality inevitable. All we can do is observe and understand it as deeply as possible, because that's who we are. The part is the whole, and the whole is the part, and both are the infinite being, that's you, me or anything that exists. That's obvious right? How could be otherwise? It's impossible

Christianity is a very profound religion if you interpret it metaphorically. That is, Christ is any human being, not a guy with powers, not someone specific. Sin is not something bad you do that deserves punishment, but a mental frequency of separation that isolates you and keeps you in a state of suffering. Salvation is the opening of the focus of the egoistic mind to the totality of existence, and suffering is the key to salvation

Conflict is inevitable. If someone takes something I'm building because it's necessary for my survival, we'll have a conflict. This has been the case since humans lived in caves. It could simply be a business conflict. If someone makes something you're making and does it more cheaply or better, you'll have to compete with them. Optimize your production, reduce your margin. You're not doing this because you want to; you're doing it because you're fighting a competitor. Life, from the moment several cells group together to steal energy from other cells by killing them, is conflict. The only way to erase the conflict is if you can access to infinite resources. Then you would be transcend life.

That's not what I meant. I was trying to analyze and nuance the Tolle spirituality and revealing what in my opinion is a mistake, Tolle has a huge influence on current nonduality. I'd say it's key. Anyway, you don't need to take it like personal, it's a conversation to understand not to win. Sorry if I talk too aggressive about Tolle, I think that his intentions are honest and his message is very useful, I'm talking about his wrong side if you want to totally open yourself . But probably Tolle did more for human spiritual evolution than anyone else alive nowadays Understand that when you see that you have to overcome a barrier you have to break it.

What I mean is that It's not limited; it's essentially wrong. You said above that all spiritual traditions speak of transcending the ego. Let's see, traditions like Buddhism or Hinduism like the Bahavad Gita speak of dissolving the ego barrier to open your consciousness to the unlimited, to the non-self in Buddhism and to Brahman in Hinduism. This is not the same as what Tolle and nonduality say. They say that only the now is real, therefore the ego is not real. This makes no sense because the ego is something that is happening now. Tolle and nonduality tell you to be like an animal, without ego, only sensory perception and instinct, but you are not that. It's a frustrating philosophy that never works. Totally dissolving the social capsule of the ego during certain moments is essential to accessing the realization of your true nature, but you cannot completely transcend the ego, since you would cease to be human and this is impossible; you would be self-repressing an essential part of yourself. The part that communicates, that establishes emotional bonds, that projects, and that modifies reality, and all this implies suffering in more or less extent. Why would you want to do this? To avoid suffering? It's like saying that to avoid having sex, you amputate your genitals. Can you be more egotistical than someone trying to kill their ego? That's the question. Ultimately, I believe that Tolle's philosophy and nonduality are essentially limiting and toxic because they deny the human nature. I would say that anyone who believes in his philosophy and tries to put it into practice will end up frustrated, confused and unhappy. And over all, the most important: closed to the possibility of opening themselves to the absolute. No one of them would get it, because their philosophy closes. The real thing is when you realize that the ego, the external material world, and your true nature are interconnected, completely synchronized, are one. Trying to transcend your ego only locks you into a capsule. True spirituality, as I see it, isn't about transcending, it's about expanding. The ego isn't something you can transcend; it's impossible. You can repress it and thereby isolate yourself further, or you can expand it and realize that your ego is the reality.

The problem with Tolle's message is that it tells you: Right now, at this exact moment, are you in pain, or is something bad happening to you? Not true? So why are you suffering? This is a recurring message in nonduality. The answer would be: You're suffering by mistake; you shouldn't be suffering, since nothing hurts. From this message, it follows that the ego, the mental matrix, is something unreal, and what's real is the body, which can hurt. This is absolutely false; the mental matrix is exactly as real as the body and hurts just as much as the body does. A zebra doesn't have this mental matrix, therefore it doesn't hurt, but a human does. When Tolle says: Look at the crazy things humans have done for something unreal, like the nation! It's something that doesn't exist, and people kill for it. Well, we could say: Look how crazy the crocodiles are, obsessed with eating so they don't die of hunger, when the body doesn't really exist; it's a collection of atoms that will disintegrate sooner or later. Tolle doesn't understand that the mental matrix is a real energetic structure, as real as the body. A new dimension of existence that is evolving at a pace several orders of magnitude faster than the physical. That it isn't something tangible and physical doesn't make it any less real. Tolle and nonduality deny this reality, and that's why they're false philosophies. Not intentionally false, but fundamentally wrong, they propagate a comforting but ultimately false spirituality that doesn't resolve, only numbs, like a drug.

I've been reflecting on this topic and I know well. I know Tolle very well, and he's been important in my journey, but above all, it's been important to realize the error I perceive in him. I know many people who believe what Tolle says, and I see in them evasion and no depth, since Tolle, to me, is castrating . When I say castrating, it's because his entire message suggests that ego and projection into the past are a mistake, and that the person is choosing this way of functioning out of ignorance. Nothing in reality is a mistake. Saying this is like saying that birds fight over fish by mistake, because they're ignorant, or that bacteria kill the host by mistake. It's a big thing, On the other hand, reading Tolle is reassuring. When you read it, you feel liberated; it seems as if the knots in your psyche have loosened, but this is temporary. It is absolutely impossible to reach the state of nirvana that Tolle describes if you haven't done your work in the external world. Tolle puts all the weight on the interior; he tells you that, by choosing to, you can be the master of your mental state regardless of external conditions. This, for me, is once again castrating. The interior and the exterior are one. There are times when reality demands war from you, and also suffering. You are not an autonomous capsule isolated from external reality; you are a hive entity absolutely interconnected with the whole; you are simultaneously the part and the totality. Tolle is limited, and his limitation makes him mistaken, and his mistakenness makes him false. And this falsehood, which sounds like truth, penetrates minds, calms them, but then castrates them, isolates them. Do you understand my point? Or does it seem like a joke?

@Grateful Dead anyway, I have to read again. I just find something wrong in his approach now, I think it's impossible to reach the point that Tolle said he did magically, without a deep understanding of his mind. Could happen in some moments, but not maintained. I doubt a lot of the people who claim such things and then a lot of money comes to them. There is something in his message that maybe is distorted. Just maybe. Anyway, it's shocking that nobody here has the level to refute this without insulting or getting angry. Interesting, Tolle talks about overcoming the ego, and you ridicule and get angry. Perhaps his teachings didn't work after all? That's what I meant

There is a lot of unconscious tension and stress, and it manifests as tension in the body. Many capsules of negative emotion or trauma are trapped in the energetic pattern that we are, creating waves of anxious energy that we live with and don't perceive because we are used to them. Looking inward means noticing all these distortions, facing them, and deactivating them. What they call enlightenment has a lot to do with the physical, with allowing your energies to flow unhindered. It is a slow and difficult process, as you have to resolve all the inherited karma, that is, all the inherited anxious energy, all the fear that creates distortion, self-reference, escape forward, stress.

I didn't say any nonsense, I make an opinion about a topic that I know very well, I have read the two books of Tolle, the power of now and the other, a new earth or something like that, and I got really impressed when I did. But after I got much deeper and I realized the fundamental mistake of his approach. Anyway, why do you need to use the worlds nonsense, joke, etc? Do you have the need of humilliating to have the reason about Tolle? It doesn't work in that way. For me, he rejects the ego; he considers it something to be overcome, a deception of the mind. For me, this is a mistake. Your ego tells you what you must do, what karma you must perform. You have to understand it and solve the enigma, otherwise it will never disappear. It's different for each person, a personal enigma in each life, and there are no shortcuts. There's a mission to fulfill, and evasion doesn't work. You're not a zebra living in the now; you're a human being with a mission, and this is not a mistake, it's what you are.

No, look, if you want to talk about a topic if you say: all that you said seems a joke. Then, why are you answering? Do you answer to anyone who says nonsense? It's a loss of time. If you are talking to me it's because you are interested in the topic, then you could argue what I say, but if you say: all that you said is nonsense, it'd not a proper argument. Do you catch it? It never happens if you don't understand absolutely your energetic pattern and you face it, it's a long process, and in the Tolle's book never explain how to do it, he only describe what the ego is according to him. He has interesting explanation about the ego but in my opinion he fails at its core, the ego is considered unreal, a human malfunction that causes all evil. However, the ego is absolutely real. It's a genetic pattern that drives humans as a species, and it's impossible to overcome if you don't understand it, confront it, and satisfy it in a great stent. There are real conditions that will make your life hell, and things that you must do in life. Take the decision of being detached doesn't work

He said that he achieved it in one day Ah ok, you just want to put yourself above with aggressive attitude. Well, I'm sorry to doubt about Tolle, don't be angry and defensive.

Let's say that beyond some level of division, the air is not breathable, then it's not air anymore

this guy in 2015 was quite accurate about future. Shame that he wasn't listened

Could be but physics don't say that it's impossible to divide, says that if you divide beyond that limit it's not space anymore.

I agree that he can be useful and a good introduction to spirituality, but I think he's mistaken at the root of his message. I'm not saying he's a fraud, but I think he's mistaken. His message suggests that the ego is a mistake of perspective, and that it's absolutely simple to escape from that perspective; you just have to take a step back and place yourself above it. I think this is a mistake, it's impossible. The human psyche is an energetic reality, a living being with a solid structure, and it's impossible to escape from it with a single movement of changing perspective. I think that's a straightforward lie. The psyche is an energetic framework with real foundations and enormous power: the desire to live, the fear of dying, coded with hot iron in the foundation of the human being, in its genetics. Anyone who believes Tolle message will end up frustrated. But perhaps, thanks to him, he will embark on the real path, the inner search in which he will face his fears, unravel his psyche, look death in the face, and open the doors to the limitless

That's what you think, but maybe you are wrong and it's impossible to divide it.

It seems that it is increasingly necessary in technology and many analysts say that its value will increase a lot, but they also say that about many other things.

Zelensky is so funny https://x.com/TrendsIntel/status/1895578199847027177?t=T0GJayFUoG3QKOd-Tb4R6A&s=09

No, I just said that Tolle approach is simplistic and at the end false. Tolle is pure seduction, which is why he's been so successful. he says a zebra in the savannah is always present; for it, only the now exists. Perhaps he doesn't understand that a human isn't a zebra; his approach is false; it doesn't work. The mental matrix is a reality extremely powerful, and no one in the world, ever, since The Power of Now was published, has achieved liberation with his approach. They've only been seduced by her idea and then frustrated by the impossibility of achieving what he promises. Btw, where I talked about god and that? Read carefully and then make a meditate answer, don't speak without the minimum work because I'm talking seriously