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I doubt anyone here really thinks that. But consciousness is just an appearance, really “artificial consciousness” has nothing to do with consciousness — the question is only about whether computer hardware can be associated with subjectivity. It can with brains, apparently, so why not silicon? (is the question people here might have, I’d guess) There’s nothing apart from infinite consciousness, so the question of whether or not AI; trees; rocks have it is moot (infinite consciousness has them). But subjectivity is another beast altogether.

Yes, certainly.

Yeah it’s quite intuitive and can’t always be taught. Not sure how to raise awareness about this stuff without being a party pooper. I’ve never had an issue with it; just always intuitively read into the woman’s intuition. Can’t imagine teaching that to someone. Sometimes I begin having sex with my girlfriend out of nowhere without even asking and in fact basically by surprise — obviously does not work in all or even an appreciable amount of situations.

This very much is a decent representation of the witnessing state except it would be more spherical if that makes sense (looking in rather than out). And somewhat points to the rather more ineffable recognition that there’s no separation of any kind at all — except that (latter) seems to be accompanied more by a direct access to the reality that nothing is moving or happening in time-space at all. And while the witnessing state does actually kind of feel like you’re looking in at experience from an infinite black nothing, the recognition of no-separation does not have a spacious nothing that’s looking in at experience — rather, there is ONLY nothing... the big black void is not reified as transcendent... there’s just no one separate from everything to observe it from a separate standpoint. Also it’s an even better representation of how everyday-walking-around-consciousness is for those who still haven’t reached enlightenment but are quite spiritually (ego) advanced. ^^ Total masturbatory effing of the ineffable ? but for what it’s worth, I do try, and it is coming from the direct recognition.

Maybe try inputting these questions from the very last lines of NM’s I Am That. And see if you get similar responses. It’d just be an interesting experiment. Maybe if you copied the questions exactly it would give an exact answer by literally copying NM. Q: I am in a world which I do not understand and therefore, I am afraid of it. This is everybody’s experience. M: You have separated yourself from the world, therefore it pains and frightens you. Discover your mistake and be free of fear. Q: You are asking me to give up the world, while I want to be happy in the world. M: If you ask for the impossible, who can help you? The limited is bound to be painful and pleasant in turns. If you seek real happiness, unassailable and unchangeable, you must leave the world with its pains and pleasures behind you. Q: How is it done? M: Mere physical renunciation is only a token of earnestness, but earnestness alone does not liberate. There must be understanding which comes with alert perceptivity, eager enquiry and deep investigation. You must work relentlessly for your salvation from sin and sorrow. Q: What is sin? M: All that binds you.

If you’re apparently coming from separation, when the body interacts with others, all you can see is other beings. If you’re coming from enlightenment / no perspective, there are no other beings (of a nature different from “yours”) — there’s only the true nature, which is beauty; love; understanding, yet ordinary. Lack of judgement will likely be prominent. What else? Absolutely anything it seems.

^^ In exactly this way, the question of whether or not there is free will is utterly masturbatory.

It means only what I said: that upon experiencing it, you know the search for happiness outside yourself is futile, because the pleasure of jhana or the well-being inside you that you can uncover is of a different order that eclipses anything you could obtain from the world. That's all that is meant by securing a good rebirth. And I'm pretty sure jnana (insight) refers to something different from jhana (absorption).

Yeah I honestly until this thread thought it was a bit more well-known that meditation was so powerful, but I guess it makes sense: until I experienced first jhana, while I did have faith, I was essentially in the dark. I guess that's why the Buddhists say even experiencing first jhana one time for 1 second is enough to secure a good rebirth -- I happen to think that's allegorical, not literal, but it absolutely makes sense! -- (It really is an otherworldly level of intense exhilarating pleasure -- I'm not exaggerating the least bit when I say it's many times more powerful than cocaine and heroin combined.) -- Because ever since that experience, I've known for a fact that all the bliss anyone could ever want is within and not to be found outside themselves -- not known as a mere belief, but as an absolutely clear and obvious lived reality... Just from that one time! And it only got better. I would revise it and say it not only applies to experiencing 1 second of jhana, but to having the ability to induce some level of bliss, no matter how modest, at will -- which you seem to be able to do now. Disclaimer: Jhana seems to require a level of either diligence and/or talent that some people never reach, but as long as one has the ability to produce some level of bliss on demand in meditation, the whole field is open to them, whether or not it progresses into jhana... but if their desire is strong enough, it certainly will progress into jhana.

He's legit. That's just his personality. He used to be known in the bodybuilding community as the crazy guy.

^^ Btw, that is huge. View that modest joy/bliss as the heat from a small kindling fire that you've started, view subtlety/stillness as the bellows, and view relaxed diligence as the wood you add, until you've got yourself an inner blazing bonfire of powerful serene well-being. "My cup runneth over." The hardest part is actually starting the fire -- which you've done already! Good luck friend. @m0hsen

@Consilience I've listened to hundreds of hours from her! I slightly preferred this one though, for basically the same stuff, as he often speaks a bit quicker and doesn't have background music: Medicine of One https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxdOC7z42O2fxeBje5QXpQQ

No problem friend!

Certainly at first. Eventually literally several times more pleasure intensity than you can stand without it starting to feel like it's too much. Just so you know.

The Mind Illuminated by Culadasa Seeing That Frees by Rob Burbea Right Concentration by Leigh Brasington The 2019 Practicing the Jhanas retreat on dharmaseed by Rob Burbea Yeah it certainly is life-changing. Makes sensation-seeking utterly laughable. Even pleasure itself is unsatisfactory relative to the otherworldly bliss of the later jhanas.

I've experienced similar to what you describe. Usually with psychedelics. More than that too; time completely vanishing; infinity; etc. As far as how intense the pleasure was though, yes, jhana can surpass it because jhana can have literally several times more pleasure intensity than you can stand without it starting to feel like it's too much.

I was talking in terms of pure physical pleasure and bliss. It beats heroin and cocaine, but generally 5-MeO-DMT; mushrooms; etc can have the potential to be a bit stronger. But yeah TMI by Culadasa is good for building the foundation. Once you have mind control you can essentially produce as much bliss as you want, any time you want it -- like more pleasure than you can stand. A really solid 2nd jhana (nowhere near as amazing as it can get) can have so much pleasure it's actually agonizing. I'd say it takes maybe 2 years to get there if you're serious, but even in the first month of actually getting the hang of it, a meditator will be quite happy.

Jesus Christ dude lol Not judging or anything, I'm just wondering how you've been on this forum all this time and did not discover the fact that meditation gets you higher than anything.

A tiny fraction of cigarette addiction is the nicotine. The rest is the harmaline alkaloids / MAOI released upon burning, which cause dopamine buildup in the brain and a dopamine recession upon cessation.

I used to be addicted to heroin and cocaine. Jhana is at least 10 times more powerful -- If you weren't already aware of that... damn dude. For me not to very strongly indicate this would be negligence on my part. I assumed you were already aware and had maybe even experienced it yourself. It's available to you... How long have you been meditating? Or do you do it at all? I don't attach any particular importance to it but it should definitely be pointed out that this is available to you, if you're talking about getting high on a forum that also has plenty of meditation info lol. Meditation is the mother-lode of recreational pleasure, it just takes practice... Not trying to convince you, just indicating for others who might be swayed into thinking meditation and self-realization aren't as powerful as they are -- thinking it's just some activity that's fun but "surely recreational drugs are stronger, right?" Nope, utterly and epically flat false.

Not applicable. Both 0% and 100%. There is no separate free will. Yet, there is only Freedom / Free "will."

Wow

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from hell? Blue skies from pain? Can you tell a green field From a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell? Did they get you to trade Your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange A walk-on part in the war For a leading role in a cage? How I wish, how I wish you were here We're just two lost souls Swimming in a fish bowl Year after year Running over the same old ground What have we found? The same old fears Wish you were here

In my experience it was a bit more like the realization itself created the apparent story of everything that ever happened that led up to it, by transcending time.

There aren't levels of awakening in the end bro. Only levels of ego development.