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Even that is a case-closed in the loop of self-reference. There isn't anyone who knows what exists, yet the apparent one can only know what exists -- from a separate standpoint / as separation. There's just what appears to be happening, without separation, which can't be known since knowing only operates in what's actually happening in my awareness.

Yeah.. This was apparent in my response. No one can know what this is, which is why all you'll ever see me do is basically negation. If I seem to be claiming anything, it's not me doing it, and it's a story anyway, so there is absolutely no claim on what this is, or if it is. Just apparently negating held beliefs of apparent seekers, for no reason.

Obviously? Lol that was the damn point of my response! lol lol that was literally the point. wish I had access to the crying laughter emoji Which (whether psychedelics, or even insights of any kind, are of any value or not) of course is not worth talking about, but neither is anything else, and so the appearance is complete anyway. No idea what I'm even saying. This is already complete. But yeah I was agreeing with you apparently.

You weren't responding to me were you? Because if so then you didn't read what I said. I was precisely pointing to God realization merely being an appearance of boundless energy. It has no meaning or value and it's simply freedom appearing as that. I was literally saying that psychedelics have no value.

On point. Very much seems to be the case.

In my story I was about as deep into the psychedelic experience as one can apparently be. 500mg 5-MeO-DMT inside of a week or two, sheets upon sheets of LSD, etc etc... Tons of God realizations where there's just timeless infinity, lots of flashy stuff... Jhana (without psychedelics), fun meditation states, profound insights, etc... It never ever leads to already just what's appearing to happen without any cause or meaning or limit or other (and therefore anything better), which is peerless freedom...

Technically, it's nothing, apparently speaking/appearing, to nothing else, a description of what nothing is -- freedom; all there is. And actually, that's technically all that ever happens, if we're going to be as perfectly imperfectly precise as possible.

Well in the end we can't say anything at all because there isn't anyone separate to do so. There's only boundlessness appearing to be. Appearing as people, sex, walls, anything.

Yep. Nice insight/awakening! The you referred to has no definable/fixed/limited reality -- there's only what is not, which is what is. Form is emptiness; emptiness is form.

And just to be clear, nothing can be done about that -- it's not real anyway and every attempt to get rid of it is only a confirmation of its substance. Everything is already complete, and you are that completion appearing as anything, including perhaps the illusory sense of separation/experience. There's no gap to bridge. Liberation is already all there is. And it isn't even a thing at all, not here nor there. There's just what's only-appearing to happen. No one can experience what's only-appearing to happen, because the apparent experience is always of what's actually happening to me / in my awareness... which allows for (or rather is identical with) the dream of "something else," which is illusory / not real. There's just what's appearing to be, which is nothing being everything. In the end, all insights collapse into what's simply only-appearing to be, which is boundless freedom, not limited or contained by anything whatsoever; cause or meaning or otherwise.

Too many to list but off the top of my head:

It's a direct process, not a verbal one. Not saying you should do self inquiry (there's no you to decide to do it or not), but I can describe what it is: inquiring directly (with experience, not words) into how you know you're experiencing anything at all -- it's the most obvious thing, but "where is the knower? Anything I see can't be the I since I'm the one who sees it." Keep hunting the I incessantly, even when amazing states present -- just keep turning away from every object, toward what knows it. That's how it's done. It never leads to this but there's no reason to not do it either. There's no reason for anything, really -- this is just chaos appearing, utterly without limit or control or direction.

The two bolded sections are identical.

Recognizing there’s no me does not cause me to fall away, because me is the one who recognizes, therefore me stays in play, apparently. Any attempt to see through the me is an illusory confirmation that there is a me to see through. The longing for something around the corner is always the longing for already exactly whatever appears to be happening.

Liberation is like nothing. The one who is searching and traveling through time will never get it, because it doesn’t happen in time. It’s indescribable, but it could be said: there’s only what’s appearing to happen. There isn’t anyone who ever experiences “what’s appearing to happen.” All the apparent one ever experiences is “what’s actually happening (to me / in my awareness).” When there’s no one left in the appearance, there isn’t anyone left who could dream of something else, nor anyone left who experiences what’s only-appearing to happen (which is impossible anyway), there just IS only what’s only-appearing to happen, which is nothing being everything; what is and is not.

On that level, nothing. Nothing ever changes which is everything constantly changing. As for getting into wonderfully blissful states, there is basically no substitute for meditation, sure. In fact it seems in this forum there is widespread underestimation of meditation, to the point where there are people using recreational drugs for pleasure, completely unaware that skillful meditation states blow all recreational drugs out of the water as far as pleasure goes. It's not right or wrong, just uninformed.

The you who thinks it can do something through its own action to get further on a spiritual path is a bit more glaring an example of the apparently separate self than is a mere conventional expression ("I") used in conversation. This is like cooling off the sidewalk with a hose when there's a burning building next to it.

Heavy metal detox is a very involved thing which can only be achieved with heavy metal detox (chelation). It's too dangerous (unless done safely, but don't assume you'll know what "done safely" means) and too involved to be worth almost anyone's time -- you could easily be convinced you're doing it right, and then end up with brain damage from mercury redistribution from using the wrong substance, or from using the right substance but at an inappropriate and half-assed dosing frequency. Regular (non-heavy) "metal detox" on the other hand though might be different but (for the most part) what would be the point of that... so I assume you meant heavy metal.

Redundant, as there is nobody else. But there's no separate me either. It's not that only you can realize God -- there is only what is (which also is not) and there's nobody separate from that. As far as one awakening, there can be many apparent awakenings and mystical experiences in the expansion of consciousness, but there aren't multiples of ultimate liberation. In fact, there isn't even one ultimate liberation, as it's not a circumstance; it's beyond things/experiences. All mystical experiences and realizations have four aspects, it seems: 1. they come and go, 2. they can always get more profound and better, 3. they have a context as part of an apparent path to more/fulfilment/truth/beauty, and 4. they involve knowing/consciousness. Ultimate liberation, on the other hand, does not come and go (and no one ever arrives-at or leaves it), does not have any possibility of being better, does not have any context or meaning or cause, and does not involve knowing/consciousness.

While I’d be tempted to say nothing is useful, I’ll talk on a different level: It’s ridiculously effective, but it can take either luck or finding the right techniques. With meditation skill alone, you can manifest as much bliss as you want, any time you want it, maybe not instantaneously, but in short order.

Nor is basically anyone. Emotions are what drive sex anyway.

There is no understanding. But yeah the concepts are apparently understood. What you’re speaking about is solipsism — a nice last ditch effort for the apparent individual to avoid liberation. Still in the story. There is no me and you. There’s only what appears to be, which is nothing being everything. Good luck.?

Well not really. Apparently, but it was an appearance, as was the you referred to. It didn’t even really fall away when it apparently did — it simply never was.

If that’s what the apparent you believes, that’s what’s appearing to happen. Nothing wrong or right with it.

Experience is literally separation from what is experienced. There is no actual separation.