The0Self

Nice mystical experiences! Profound awakenings. “Full enlightenment” is simply the end of those.

In-love-ness with whatever appears to be, for no one. No-thing apparently happening, without other or meaning or purpose or limit or observer. So it feels like this. You're sitting in it, but it appears that since you're on a journey, it may appear otherwise, as there seems to be something else -- and if that indeed appears to be happening, that's what's longed for. That's liberation. That/this is all there is.

Yeah that’s a nice technique.

^^^ They arise together dependent on each other, and since neither could come first (since for one to be, there must already be the other), it is therefore a singular causeless appearance. So there is no real causality, only apparent causality, and therefore only-apparent time and only-apparent everything else, as nothing is actually separate. Everything is not-a-thing and not-a-thing is everything appearing; all there is, with no other, context, or limit.

@Raptorsin7 Self inquiry. It involves the rather difficult endeavor of ignoring and turning away from every object, by looking for its knower, then when you catch the knower, it’s now an object, and so you turn away from it by looking for its knower. If this is done on and on, for quite a while, with decent meditation skill already developed, it can then result in a rather exhilaratingly high state that many have called Witnessing. Rob Burbea called it the Vastness of Awareness. It’s like experience flips inside out and you’re God looking in at pure subjectivity rather than looking out at objects, and yet paradoxically everything appears the same, but without the context or meaning, and no effect on “you” at all whatsoever. Everything kind of arises out of nothing and fades away simultaneously, but there is still a source separate from what appears — but it can go beyond that to a state where there’s seemingly no source or separation at all, a “nondual state,” which is almost like “detachment via engagement,” or “personal enlightenment.” The person is still present in that, but yeah in the story it can be quite worthwhile to explore it. Witnessing (or probably more likely nirodha —highest possible personal state) is very likely what those monks used when they burned alive in protest and didn’t move a muscle. Witnessing is an extremely detached but still quite functional state, unlike nirodha which is practically anesthesia. But really there is only wholeness. The seeker thinks it’s looking for something, when really it’s looking for everything; all there is already. There’s no way or how to enlightenment. ‘How’ implies something personal or intentional to the already empty appearance, confirming that someone can be aware of and in control of what’s happening... Keeping the dream running, but only appearing that way. Seeking = freedom telling freedom it isn’t free. This and that are never connected, as they aren’t separate. Awareness is the apparent connection between this and that. Self inquiry is an awareness technique — nothing wrong or right with it. I don’t know anything though. This/that is just what appears to be.

Not a thing, is.

Yep.

The Seven Lions Remix is awesome.

There is, very simply, only wholeness -- that can't be understood, but it can be revealed as (supremely) obvious if awareness/knowing itself apparently collapses. There is no separation -- it's an illusion.

The apparent self would find itself quite bored with enlightenment (it’s the least boring ever, as there is no knowing, but self needs to know). Therefore, notice boredom, until “you” see that there’s nothing to get, and no one to get it. ? But really, while that does point to the heart of it, if anyone there uses it as an actual practice recommendation, that can only and will only feed the energy that apparently hides liberation. When liberation is seen as always already complete, that never led to this.

There’s the appearance of them; they aren’t real. Past and future are the same no-thing; not separate. In the story, when self identifies as now (or consciousness), it serves as the attempted connection between past and future (and between every other apparent object), thus illusorily confirming that they were separate in the first place in order for the illusion of possible connection to appear to take place.

In the story, of course there’s an apparent process. It’s just boundlessness appearing as a process. It’s not real, as there’s no real time for a process to happen across, only the appearance of which. The appearance is the absolute, which is whatever appears, and is without meaning, separation, knowing, context, or other.

If that appears, then that’s what appears. Has nothing to do with the reality that nothing ever happens twice. The past is an appearance, it’s not real, so of course since nothing has ever happened before, everything is always new.

No thing is everything, and everything is no thing

There is no other, but there is also no one. There is no my body / your body. There is just no-thing appearing as everything, including bodies, as well as this, that, past, future, plants, awareness, relationships, etc. Everything is no-thing and no-thing is everything.

No. However, all bodies, and indeed everything, are actually not separate objects that could be connected or made any more whole and complete. There is no separation or context between or behind anything; what appears.

This. Not to agree or disagree, but as a great example for pointing to what appears when, in the appearance, reality is being apparently created on the fly. It’s all just the ride appearing as a journey.

There no I to have or not-have anything, including one body, much less multiples...in the past.

Anything to keep it real.

Right on! But I’m afraid the radicality is absolute: You’ve also, for instance, never been to this forum before; never seen anything before; never drove a car; never brushed teeth; showered; woke up in the morning... and yet miraculously it appeared to happened. It just didn’t happen to anyone, and it didn’t actually happen. It was (there’s no was) very simply the ungraspable appearing as that.

@WokeBloke It’s part and parcel of the illusory experience of the self (things are really happening to me, the I who is present and aware here and now), to hide the reality that nothing ever happens twice. These words have never been said and will never be said again. I understand it can and does seem like that’s not the case, within the story, but that’s an illusion. Everything is new. Just apparently describing this.

It doesn’t. There’s just boundlessness appearing as everything without beginning or end. The same thing never, ever happens twice — it’s only part of the illusion (of things really happening) that anything ever does happen twice. Everything is always absolutely new; constantly and unrelentingly full-on brand-new. That’s the first and last time those words will ever be typed. Ever! As with everything else...? ? This is unbounded eternal infinite chaotic absolute ungraspable unbridled completion. Infinitely empty of life, and equally (infinitely) full of life, timelessly. Already.

Things can appear as more or less real than others, but: absolutely real is absolutely unreal. Experiences/circumstances can appear as more or less special than others, but: absolutely ordinary is absolutely extraordinary; unknowable ordinariness = unknowable extraordinariness.

@justfortoday The first time I became aware of this was several years ago while I was driving. It was a very profound experience. Have you found anyone discussing this topic in more depth? It actually can go further than that, still in the dream but progressing up the story of consciousness expansion — in the same way that the universe appears to calibrate itself around you continuously, actually much more than that is apparently calibrated... The “causality bubble” is also recalibrating itself around you, such that the past is continuously imagined as what it must’ve been in order for this appearance “now” to make sense. All of it completely impersonal and without condition, meaning, purpose, value, intention, or limit — which is why there are no bounds for what is “calibrated” as described; everything that could be thought of as real is only an appearance, and the status of reality, if it could even be known that there were one, is utterly unknowable and infinite. ...Total story btw, as there’s nothing other than what appears, and by necessity... but that’s what can appear to happen.