The0Self

At the moment your own personal enlightenment is released from possibility (taken; not by choice), the next moment never comes. Then depression can still happen, but without existential worry and without the expectation that things should (or could) be different.

That's one way of putting it. But it's rather radical (though simple) because mystical experiences no longer happen. It's sort of the end of "aha so that's how it is!" in any ultimate existential sense because existence itself (and knowing, and context) are seen to be illusory. Everything is breathtakingly ordinary. There is only the unknowable view.

Sure. It's just an appearance. However it appears is just as it is. It has no depth to it or truth beyond what it appears as. It's an empty appearance with no solidity or significance. Even the appearance of significance is not significant, because it's just no-thing apparently being everything that's appearing. And there's nothing outside of it, there is only wholeness, no real time, no real causality or context, and no real death.

It can go a million ways but here's how it can go, and it's perhaps not very likely that it will be this way for any particular individual. The stages are largely concurrent but the order is somewhat meaningful. 1. Mystical experiences -- transcend ego to a small degree. Insights such as "through me, reality imagines it is judging itself." 2. Bliss on demand -- relax clinging 3. Relax awareness of any particular object; totally detach from objects -- panoramic figure ground reversal -- Witnessing 4. No separation; field syncs up with itself and there is no hidden sensation appropriating itself as a knower -- there's only wholeness and nothing can be done to get closer or further away from that. 5. Entire field is a philosophical zombie in a sense -- nothing is needed for the empty appearance to be what it already is. No more mystical experiences.

Jessica Riddle -- Even Angels Fall You've found hope, you've found faith, Found how fast she could take it away. Found true love, lost your heart. Now you don't know who you are. She made it easy, made it free, Made you hurt till you couldn't see. Sometimes it stops, sometimes it flows, But baby that is how love goes. You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. It's a secret no one tells; One day it's heaven, one day it's hell. It's no fairy tale; take it from me, That's the way it's supposed to be. You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. You laugh, you cry, no one knows why But OH the thrill of it all... You're on the ride, you might as well Open your eyes You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. Even angels fall Even angels fall

You and I are the same unknowable emptiness. This whole no-thing never moves and there’s no separation to it. There’s no us and no universe, only unbounded timeless infinity.

But it’s not that you are kissing yourself. You are kissing that which has the same source as you. There is no you or them really. There’s no separation and no self.

I don’t think about it at all ?. Since it’s the only thing you’ve always known, you don’t even know that you know it. No transmission even touches it. There is no you. This is simply the infinite.

Enlightenment is nothing that would ever be hoped for. And it’s all that’s longed for.

It's very inhumane to the animals, but it's also inhumane to the diseases it hopes to solve -- great for humanity, it seems. It's a double-edged sword, of course.

Definitely. Yeah the main thing I was attempting to add to your comment was just pointing out that if one can get to J5, they can probably quite easily get to J7, but certainly J6 which is essentially just a slight tweak to J5. The biggest jump seems to be from 4-5, and also 0-1 and 7-8 are big jumps.

5th jhana is a very high state for not using substances. As in maybe 1 in 100 people who have experienced both jhana 5 and a profound mystical experience on LSD will say they had a more intense experience from LSD. J5 is ultra mystical, of course not nearly as incredible as the collapse of time which can happen on LSD, or glimpses, but generally orders of magnitude more amazing than what came before it. But 6th and 7th are just a small step up from j5, in terms of the skill required to cultivate them... The big jump in that regard is between jhana 4 and 5, and of course also 0 and 1.

The answer is there is no answer, but that's not just a mere giving up -- there's no doubt in it, nor belief. Very, very obvious. It's absolute unboundedness appearing; nothing apparently being everything. As it's all there is, there is no answer nor reason to it, nor is there a question in it, as there is no outside (it's all there is) and therefore no inside... and it's always already whole and complete.

The infinite. But it's a malformed question because this isn't caused by the infinite -- this is the infinite. There is only the infinite. There is no how; why; right; wrong... there's only what is, which is infinitely empty, full, and ungraspable -- and has no limits such as meaning or causality or context, or logic, or any real bounds whatsoever. All apparent limits are absolute uncontainable freedom, freely appearing contained.

In terms of the potential awkwardness that can arise? Or the jealousy? If neither of those are problematic, then there's no reason to bring it up. Otherwise, then okay sure, but in that case I doubt it would be coming from wisdom, it would likely be coming from impulsiveness or neediness.

Exactly, that right there is the reason for doing it. Therefore, a case could be made that it would be wiser not to. Nothing right or wrong with it though.

It's smart and strategic to just not bring it up though. But I know what you mean. No relationship that I ever felt was worthwhile would have ever suffered from the conversation, but we're dealing with human emotion here -- nothing good comes from bringing it up. No reason not to do it either with a good partner but also no reason to do it.

Experience is the connection between what is already not separate. It's an illusion. The experiencer on the other hand isn't really even an illusion -- it's just not there period lol -- go ahead, try to find it. The appearance (not separate from the body) apparently functions, and (in the story) when those functions are appropriated by experience, there can seem to be an experiencer, but that's really just an extrapolation; an empty assumption; an illusory sense. Trying to change what appears to be, isn't actually happening -- it's just the artificial appropriation of organic body functioning as "my" "own" "actions." You could say experience is all there is, but that would be rather misleading, as there is no knowing. Experience and knowing seem to be the same thing. "There's only knowing, but there is no knowing" -- while that's relatively true, it is on the other hand just as close and perhaps less confusing to say "there's only what appears to be." Everything is no-thing and no-thing is everything appearing -- each hides ingeniously by actually being the other. When there isn't a reality in reality, there's automatically nothing outside of nor inside of reality -- only what appears to be, without any fixed and knowable reality or context to it or in it.

Several years ago my girlfriend at the time seemed concerned or curious about how many women I'd slept with (basically while we were having sex, no less, lol). I hesitantly told her probably like 18 or 19 (the vast majority of which were quite recent at the time). Half expecting her to be upset, I asked her in return, and she then very hesitantly just told me through nervous laughter, "more than that..." We laughed about it, and I seem to remember that for some reason we agreed to never talk about it again. It was weird -- I feel like she was expecting me to say something ridiculous like 40, and so she'd be able to say "not that many," because she then actually seemed surprised that the number was less than hers... It didn't bother me even slightly. I didn't feel jealousy or really anything at all in relation to it, but in fact she was probably the most jealous girlfriend I ever had. It came up other times briefly with other women but usually one of us would just change the subject... or brush it off as irrelevant -- best way to deal with it . I'd never bring it up in general.

Your mood is everything in these situations. If you're in a good mood and passionate about the conversation and interested in others' contributions, you'll automatically be deliberating less and thus more on autopilot and less in your own head. Say everything like it's worth saying and that will reflect in others and they're more likely to believe you're worth listening to.

I don't claim. Nothing happens without a cause. And all there is, is no-thing appearing to happen. Causality appears in the story. Your apparent disagreement is only a misunderstanding. This (all there is and is not) isn't caused -- you don't disagree with that statement as it is meant, you only think you disagree with your idea of what it means. That which is only-apparent is only-apparently caused. As long as this was caused, it's a part of a process. The only thing that experiences process and causality is an illusion -- a center of knowing what's happening. There's nothing other than all there is to know something other than all there is.

Love = not-a-thing = everything = no-reason

This. Although it depends on what you mean by body load. If you mean physical symptoms of use, then they can both be intense. If you mean the body energy (sometimes leading to sensory-overload and ego-death) associated with the "consciousness-elevation" aspect of psychedelics? Then, at least in relation to the other effects, yeah LSD has more of that than mushrooms, and 5-MeO-DMT has even more than LSD.

In the story of cause and effect, I, or this body, got up this morning and wrote the post. But of course that wasn't really the cause, because waking up in the morning also depends on an unfathomable amount of other things, ad infinitum. There isn't real causality, it's only apparent. There's only everything... How could everything be caused? The cause would just be everything too. Very simple logically, but what it points to is beyond logic (and beyond causality).

No one is imagining anything. There’s just what appears, and it is without meaning or limit or cause or other.