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It’s not really like that. It’s that they will generally be more likely to be turned on by a guy who has the ability to abuse, whether he does it or not, but they strongly prefer that he doesn’t. So if you role play (in a clearly joking/playful/unserious way) as an abuser, that’s generally going to be a good thing for keeping her around, because she will like that she’s with a guy who “has that in him” but is too good for it.

I don’t detect any sarcasm here, which is unsettling.

Yeah sometimes the mere act of having the balls to talk to them in the first place is already enough to get their attraction. And of course they will give some token objections and your ability to answer them immediately and be unfazed further works in your favor.

What?? I don’t think he ever indicated anything close to that, as ignorant as he seemed to be. What is with people thinking sex with virgins is good? Must be people who aren’t good at sex at all and they should fucking learn — like what could the problem be even?… did they not do at least some research into what a clitoris is or how to hit the g spot with the penis I mean damn. And if they come fast just take a break. And if they can’t get it up try pills but if that doesn’t work they should throw in the towel anyway and move on, unless they just like making women feel good in which case they have two hands or hopefully at least one.

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Yeah I don’t like using it either but it can still be useful and that’s why it persists in the operating system in the first place. There is a “level” below which anyone gets significantly less turned on by. Maybe for super accepting non-shallow guys it’s a 4, for me and many guys I know it’s 7. Basically it seems 5 means average, and therefore very pleasing to the male gaze assuming horniness has already ensued, but not everyone will easily be horned up by that especially if they’ve been accustomed to 7+ their whole life — but my intuition is many guys can get turned on by any woman even so called 3’s and that’s actually a very attractive quality in the eyes of women (because if they’re hot, it feels more like the man chose them over everyone else rather than landed on her simply because she’s “attractive enough” — being the most beautiful woman on earth to a guy is a common fantasy for women).

Oh for sure, for what you’re talking about — average women. Of course. I was talking about 3’s though, because that’s what OP mentioned. Trust me they are not getting the same level of attention and fakery that 7-10’s are. Especially 9+ because many men just use the mere act of talking to them at all (or hitting on them half-heartedly, falsely thinking they never have a chance with these women) as an ego boost. I hate using the rating system but it is a real concept in the social matrix so I’m referring to it.

Yeah some 3-4s see themselves as hot. Because as you said they’re getting hit too (just maybe a bit less than hot girls). So it’s not terrible practice talking to them — because they react to you the same ways as hot girls if they believe in themselves in that way.

For real.

@28 cm unbuffed You don’t train them like dogs… Wtf is that shit? 🤣 Yes they DO need more love and affection in a relationship than men do, but that’s the main difference and it’s not even a big deal. In fact one of the reasons women may seem a little off is because they often wrongly think that men are perfect — but that obviously can be used to a man’s advantage so why any straight man would complain over such a thing idk.

They do it all the time so clearly you haven’t been around them as much as you could. We are trying to help you. If no one here is directly answering your question despite trying to, maybe it has something to do with you or the way you worded your question — at least that’s what I’d tentatively assume if I were you and I was taking full responsibility for my actions. Maybe you already did that and the question still wasn’t getting answered, but at that point, anger and name calling is probably not the best course to get your question answered. Yeah women have a completely different mating strategy and setup, but they’re still capable of being fully conscious, understanding, kind people.

It’s really only regularly doing very intense work that does it — going to failure (in the 5-30 rep range, mostly 6-25) on enough muscles for significant hypertrophy stimulus and the increased appetite that comes with that. But not so much that you’re overwhelmed with fatigue.

@Migue Lonas It’s not about not wanting a girlfriend, it’s the fact that many dating coaches couldn’t keep hot girlfriends if they tried, and yet they’re teaching men how to do that (and failing), when they have no clue. That’s all. This is truth talk in the dream state as far as any unknowing cult followers are concerned. So it won’t surprise me if you find this to be completely untrue if you’re in that category. Once you have gotten some great results it will be quite obvious who doesn’t know what they’re taking about. And there are levels too. Some are closer to the bottom than others. Anything that seems like a performance or trying to impress or pretending you don’t like the girl is almost the worst thing you could do — game works best when you assume you already got the girl and you move things forward while leading, sexualizing, multi-threading conversation, while just being normal like it’s an everyday occurrence.

I don’t have time to read all of them though I read some. It’s not just getting along with the problem, it’s correcting a delusional belief cluster you have about women. The real character of a good woman is just waiting for you to see them and you’re stuck thinking that there’s just shit underneath her clothes hiding her appearance from you, when she’s actually awesome and you’d think the same if you thought you were awesome too. Yeah it’s understandable to not want to make that big of a change.

Dude I know your question is what do I do to solve the problem of disliking women while wanting sex with them. I’m saying the way to solve that is to actually get intimate with them until you no longer dislike them. Because that’s what will happen. If you don’t actually want the problem solved, fine.

I will answer your question, despite your seeming non-receptivity in late comments, but I know that’s just pain talking so let’s put those aside. Be a good respectful guy with assertiveness and strength, and have boundaries (be true to your word). Anything you do in the hopes of winning points with a girl, will make you lose points. Do not think of points — assume you already got the girl, until proven otherwise in cases where she doesn’t want to have sex with you for whatever reason none of which have any impact on your value as a man. You have to embody confidence and value. Do not try to win the girl over. You need to come from the frame that you get girls like her all the time, and you don’t worry about the possibility of her not liking you. She will not escalate, that’s your job. Speak to her with no special importance placed on the conversation by virtue of her being a hot girl. Meaning, talk to her like she’s your dad or friend, with one difference: flirtation. Have multiple conversation threads running (rather than talking about one thing and then concluding that topic by starting a second one and so on… don’t do that) — each time you say something that comes to mind it’s a potential new conversation thread, and you should drop threads that get bad reactions and continue the ones getting good reactions (same with sex — stay away from positions/actions that get negative responses and do more of what gets good pleasure responses). Say whatever comes to mind in a reasonably socially calibrated manner yet with no thought of her not liking something you say, so be ballsy in that you are sexualizing, but of course not in the sense that you say things that are over-the-top sexual or rude. Don’t try to impress her, but do present the best version of yourself — you need to think you’re super awesome in spite of results, and then the confidence will become more solid and real as you get results. And when you’re rejected, which will be most of the time even when you’re very advanced and have an over-abundance of sexual options, you need to keep your dignity at all costs and treat it like what it is, nothing. Hope that answers as much as you need to decide whether this is something you think you’re ready for.

Only thing that really increases appetite well is heavy resistance training that produces a training response and muscle mass gains. Squats and deadlifts in particular, but any full body routine works.

They actually don’t like them, they just put up with them because a selfish delusional narcissist usually believes in himself, and not all guys do. They would much rather a man without that affliction would get a woman to step up, but again they often can’t find one to do so.

🤣 Good meme but as soon as that happens he should immediately do the same to the next girl he finds attractive, like the rejection was nothing. Just saying, as soon as success is obtained, that’s how it is. Which is why the Chad (bottom right yellow hair) would say what he said. But starting with so I just saw you and… that’s probably coming from a frame of not being good enough and so of course he will fail more than he would otherwise, like if he comes in knowing he already gets girls just like her and so says something like: what’s up I’m [name].

@something_else Just for example, Alex and John are the only guys on that panel with decent game (what little you can tell from an online speed date). And at 2:40:40 John reads a lay report from years ago with that same girl literally present in the chat, and if I recall correctly, that was actually unplanned — that stuff should happen all the time with any legit dating coach.

Unfortunately, he is far closer to understanding perfect game than anyone else I’ve seen, so if someone wants to learn game, they can’t really afford not to learn from him unless they’re inoculated; already aware that almost the entire rest of the space is woefully ignorant. The guy who attracts chicks also attracts drama? Who knew? When you’re assertive and polarizing and derive your value internally, yeah, you’re going to be rustling some feathers.

Anyone who doesn’t know game will think what actually is normal and good is cringe if they already follow, for instance, people like Owen Cook. Before you’re calibrated, you actually won’t know what is cringe to women — you might be right some of the time, but with any level of self doubt you will project self doubt onto your perception of everyone else… So, here’s how it works: when you encounter a person without self doubt, they may seem “off” if you’re assuming they have self doubt when they actually don’t. But yeah I don’t particularly like John Anthony I’m just saying game recognizes game, and he has it. I feel bad for the men conned into a cult that doesn’t know game but thinks it does, but John Anthony went kind of overboard calling them out, to the point where many of them retaliated with false claims (though eventually John won those suits), and the fact that John was an alcoholic at the time didn’t help. PWF Alex had a falling out with John and they have legal agreements not to talk about each other — they hate each other — and Alex still vouches for John’s game even despite that. So John and Alex are at least 2 stand up guys in the space. John’s character might be worse than Alex’s, idk, but he definitely knows game and anyone who’s good can tell.

@Migue Lonas Yeah it’s nuts, I’ll give you that. People think these dating coaches are banging hotties in secret or something. The reason they don’t have hot gfs is because they aren’t able to keep such women — it simply requires skill that they don’t have. And anyone who does have hot girls falling in love with them (or even has in the past) can see that a mile away.

That’s like saying “bro feel free to elaborate on why you think Adolph fucking Hitler is a Nazi.” I get that you don’t already understand the obviousness of it, otherwise you wouldn’t be asking, but just understand that’s what I’m imparting — that it’s that overwhelming. As you can probably imagine, explaining anything like that is a losing battle, like trying to prove yourself not to be a nazi after being falsely accused of it, or having to explain to an actual Hitler-follower how Hitler is bad. I mean for starters he’s been caught saying he was banging a 10 when he was actually texting a 5; he’s said he was banging chicks when he was just hanging out with his sons. He’s not a player. Not to mention I guess not every guy has accurate gaydar but if you do seem to have it, holy shit. He doesn’t want to bang chicks in a dominant way, and so he attracts other guys that want to avoid the same thing, but many only want to avoid it because they’re unwilling to face their fear of rejection — so they don’t even try; they do approach, but they aren’t getting good results so they don’t have the confidence to actually put their best self forward, on the line, at the behest of many girls most of which will reject and some of which will have the best sex of their lives.

Guys that get laid don’t dislike women. So don’t expect results until you fix that — you can work on both at the same time though; no need to wait until you “like women,” just realize your dislike for them (while it still persists) may be reflected back at you so perhaps just give them love; affection; support (even those you aren’t sexually interested in, just being a good man/human).