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Close, but wrong. You are not above a woman, you’re equal, and not less than her either. That’s the true frame that also works best for game. Think you’re above her if you want to have the highest chance of women thinking you’re a fucking weirdo. Go ahead and try it. The ones that fall for it are the lowest quality anyway. That said, the reason I said “close,” is that you do want to be coming from a place of “stepping up” and inspiring her to “step up” with you. Confidently/bravely.

Seduction is literally just 1. providing intimacy and freely expressing while 2. being valuable or embodying high value and/or confidence.

Cutting out carbs is a fad diet and a very poor choice in the long term unless eating so much protein (likely >250g/day) that enough converts to carbs for there to be a reservoir of it and no ketosis (like if due to an autoimmune condition you find that the only diet that works for you is all-meat/fish, as apparently JBP and even Leo at one point did to some extent). Keto will progressively deteriorate health markers, even if it does effectively lead to short-term weight loss (not just fat, it causes water loss too). Now, is the offending attribute the high fat, or the low carb? Very likely, both. Generally you want daily carb intake to never drop below 125g per day, for most people — this helps prevent a low T3/T4 ratio, which is incredibly vital for mood. Also, while it’s not 100% necessary to do at all times, it is at least very likely prudent to consume, on average, more calories from carbs than protein, and more calories from protein than fat — C>P>F, and fat is 9/4=2.25x as calorie dense as the other two, so in grams or mass it would be 1C>1P>2.25F. How lax you can be with your diet and still be very healthy depends primarily on the amount and quality of resistance training you do, but likely the #1 biggest common dietary mistake (and easiest to rectify) is not consuming enough protein — and you don’t need “optimal” protein intake, there’s simply a sliding scale: 0.8g protein per lb LBM is 99-100% as good as you can get for muscle growth in a calorie excess or at maintenance, but for fat loss in a calorie deficit 1g protein per lb total body mass is 99% as good as you can get and about 240-280g/day for most people gets them 100%… however even if you cut those numbers in half it’s not like you’re only getting 50% benefit, it’s more like 75-95%. It’s safe to assume that a good goal for minimum daily protein intake for optimal health is 80g/day — and never eat any calories without also eating protein with it, otherwise you’re forcing your food to contribute to unhealthy processes, rather than healthy ones which generally require at least some amino acids (which protein breaks down into) in the blood.

I’ve sometimes noticed the same with porn, but with the highlight reel or fantasizing (masturbation without porn), if anything it raises the mood in a similar albeit lesser fashion as sex. Makes me think porn might not be a great thing for men, so I avoid it for the most part.

It’s not really like that. It’s that they will generally be more likely to be turned on by a guy who has the ability to abuse, whether he does it or not, but they strongly prefer that he doesn’t. So if you role play (in a clearly joking/playful/unserious way) as an abuser, that’s generally going to be a good thing for keeping her around, because she will like that she’s with a guy who “has that in him” but is too good for it.

I don’t detect any sarcasm here, which is unsettling.

Yeah sometimes the mere act of having the balls to talk to them in the first place is already enough to get their attraction. And of course they will give some token objections and your ability to answer them immediately and be unfazed further works in your favor.

What?? I don’t think he ever indicated anything close to that, as ignorant as he seemed to be. What is with people thinking sex with virgins is good? Must be people who aren’t good at sex at all and they should fucking learn — like what could the problem be even?… did they not do at least some research into what a clitoris is or how to hit the g spot with the penis I mean damn. And if they come fast just take a break. And if they can’t get it up try pills but if that doesn’t work they should throw in the towel anyway and move on, unless they just like making women feel good in which case they have two hands or hopefully at least one.

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Yeah I don’t like using it either but it can still be useful and that’s why it persists in the operating system in the first place. There is a “level” below which anyone gets significantly less turned on by. Maybe for super accepting non-shallow guys it’s a 4, for me and many guys I know it’s 7. Basically it seems 5 means average, and therefore very pleasing to the male gaze assuming horniness has already ensued, but not everyone will easily be horned up by that especially if they’ve been accustomed to 7+ their whole life — but my intuition is many guys can get turned on by any woman even so called 3’s and that’s actually a very attractive quality in the eyes of women (because if they’re hot, it feels more like the man chose them over everyone else rather than landed on her simply because she’s “attractive enough” — being the most beautiful woman on earth to a guy is a common fantasy for women).

Oh for sure, for what you’re talking about — average women. Of course. I was talking about 3’s though, because that’s what OP mentioned. Trust me they are not getting the same level of attention and fakery that 7-10’s are. Especially 9+ because many men just use the mere act of talking to them at all (or hitting on them half-heartedly, falsely thinking they never have a chance with these women) as an ego boost. I hate using the rating system but it is a real concept in the social matrix so I’m referring to it.

Yeah some 3-4s see themselves as hot. Because as you said they’re getting hit too (just maybe a bit less than hot girls). So it’s not terrible practice talking to them — because they react to you the same ways as hot girls if they believe in themselves in that way.

For real.

@28 cm unbuffed You don’t train them like dogs… Wtf is that shit? 🤣 Yes they DO need more love and affection in a relationship than men do, but that’s the main difference and it’s not even a big deal. In fact one of the reasons women may seem a little off is because they often wrongly think that men are perfect — but that obviously can be used to a man’s advantage so why any straight man would complain over such a thing idk.

They do it all the time so clearly you haven’t been around them as much as you could. We are trying to help you. If no one here is directly answering your question despite trying to, maybe it has something to do with you or the way you worded your question — at least that’s what I’d tentatively assume if I were you and I was taking full responsibility for my actions. Maybe you already did that and the question still wasn’t getting answered, but at that point, anger and name calling is probably not the best course to get your question answered. Yeah women have a completely different mating strategy and setup, but they’re still capable of being fully conscious, understanding, kind people.

It’s really only regularly doing very intense work that does it — going to failure (in the 5-30 rep range, mostly 6-25) on enough muscles for significant hypertrophy stimulus and the increased appetite that comes with that. But not so much that you’re overwhelmed with fatigue.

@Migue Lonas It’s not about not wanting a girlfriend, it’s the fact that many dating coaches couldn’t keep hot girlfriends if they tried, and yet they’re teaching men how to do that (and failing), when they have no clue. That’s all. This is truth talk in the dream state as far as any unknowing cult followers are concerned. So it won’t surprise me if you find this to be completely untrue if you’re in that category. Once you have gotten some great results it will be quite obvious who doesn’t know what they’re taking about. And there are levels too. Some are closer to the bottom than others. Anything that seems like a performance or trying to impress or pretending you don’t like the girl is almost the worst thing you could do — game works best when you assume you already got the girl and you move things forward while leading, sexualizing, multi-threading conversation, while just being normal like it’s an everyday occurrence.

I don’t have time to read all of them though I read some. It’s not just getting along with the problem, it’s correcting a delusional belief cluster you have about women. The real character of a good woman is just waiting for you to see them and you’re stuck thinking that there’s just shit underneath her clothes hiding her appearance from you, when she’s actually awesome and you’d think the same if you thought you were awesome too. Yeah it’s understandable to not want to make that big of a change.

Dude I know your question is what do I do to solve the problem of disliking women while wanting sex with them. I’m saying the way to solve that is to actually get intimate with them until you no longer dislike them. Because that’s what will happen. If you don’t actually want the problem solved, fine.

I will answer your question, despite your seeming non-receptivity in late comments, but I know that’s just pain talking so let’s put those aside. Be a good respectful guy with assertiveness and strength, and have boundaries (be true to your word). Anything you do in the hopes of winning points with a girl, will make you lose points. Do not think of points — assume you already got the girl, until proven otherwise in cases where she doesn’t want to have sex with you for whatever reason none of which have any impact on your value as a man. You have to embody confidence and value. Do not try to win the girl over. You need to come from the frame that you get girls like her all the time, and you don’t worry about the possibility of her not liking you. She will not escalate, that’s your job. Speak to her with no special importance placed on the conversation by virtue of her being a hot girl. Meaning, talk to her like she’s your dad or friend, with one difference: flirtation. Have multiple conversation threads running (rather than talking about one thing and then concluding that topic by starting a second one and so on… don’t do that) — each time you say something that comes to mind it’s a potential new conversation thread, and you should drop threads that get bad reactions and continue the ones getting good reactions (same with sex — stay away from positions/actions that get negative responses and do more of what gets good pleasure responses). Say whatever comes to mind in a reasonably socially calibrated manner yet with no thought of her not liking something you say, so be ballsy in that you are sexualizing, but of course not in the sense that you say things that are over-the-top sexual or rude. Don’t try to impress her, but do present the best version of yourself — you need to think you’re super awesome in spite of results, and then the confidence will become more solid and real as you get results. And when you’re rejected, which will be most of the time even when you’re very advanced and have an over-abundance of sexual options, you need to keep your dignity at all costs and treat it like what it is, nothing. Hope that answers as much as you need to decide whether this is something you think you’re ready for.

Only thing that really increases appetite well is heavy resistance training that produces a training response and muscle mass gains. Squats and deadlifts in particular, but any full body routine works.

They actually don’t like them, they just put up with them because a selfish delusional narcissist usually believes in himself, and not all guys do. They would much rather a man without that affliction would get a woman to step up, but again they often can’t find one to do so.

🤣 Good meme but as soon as that happens he should immediately do the same to the next girl he finds attractive, like the rejection was nothing. Just saying, as soon as success is obtained, that’s how it is. Which is why the Chad (bottom right yellow hair) would say what he said. But starting with so I just saw you and… that’s probably coming from a frame of not being good enough and so of course he will fail more than he would otherwise, like if he comes in knowing he already gets girls just like her and so says something like: what’s up I’m [name].

@something_else Just for example, Alex and John are the only guys on that panel with decent game (what little you can tell from an online speed date). And at 2:40:40 John reads a lay report from years ago with that same girl literally present in the chat, and if I recall correctly, that was actually unplanned — that stuff should happen all the time with any legit dating coach.

Unfortunately, he is far closer to understanding perfect game than anyone else I’ve seen, so if someone wants to learn game, they can’t really afford not to learn from him unless they’re inoculated; already aware that almost the entire rest of the space is woefully ignorant. The guy who attracts chicks also attracts drama? Who knew? When you’re assertive and polarizing and derive your value internally, yeah, you’re going to be rustling some feathers.