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Well of course I want to disclose that I am Jewish. It would be more dishonest of me not to. I am not interested in playing games, part of the fun for me on this thread is that I express myself authentically. I wish I wasn’t Jewish so I could support Israel without being accused of self bias yes, “savagery” is an important here. It’s the kind of shit we saw on 7/10. Savagery and the potential for savagery is the main reason I support Israel over Palestinians. If we take savagery out of the equation I would view Palestinians more like Israeli Arabs. I wound want the best for them and protect them against any Israeli racism.

Yes of course, people think we’re brainwashed with no capacity for objective thinking while in reality we stand up for our naked survival and all kinds of ugliness, lies and deceit.

Maybe it’s because he so Americanized and appeals to tacit American cultural and social sensitivities.

Ben Gvir and Smotrich as elected officials is a new phenomenon in Israel. Historically Israel’s leader were very down to earth and uncorrupted (they had to be for survival of the country), I can still see this integrity within the center left. Ben Gvir and Smotrich are so dense and self defeating its a matter of time before they get voted out again. Because in democracies governments change! Even Netanyahu will eventually go. There is no way I see him surviving the next election. Yet the Palestinians decide to do a horrendous attack and cheer for it, totally dehumanizing themselves and throwing themselves at the feet of a government where Ben Gvir has and Smotrich have some influence. Luckily for the Palestinians, other forces in Israel decision making apparatus are more reasonable and level headed.

Exactly, isn’t it weird that Arab leaders that care for stability and advancement don’t have beef with Israel but only terrorist lunatics led by Iran care for destroying Israel🤔

The argument I stated - which is a psychological one - is that even that first generation is “native”.

@Nabd I would advise you to dig deeper into what makes someone “native” to the land. you seem to have a narrow view of this (which is understandable I am not being judgmental). For me for example it was always clear as day that White Afrikaners were native to South Africa because they lived there for 400 years+. You can argue that the Bantu blacks were colonizers because they came in and displaced the “true native” Xhosa. More perhaps “bizarrely” if you would tell a white Rhodesian speaking with a perfect English accent that he is not native to the darkest of Africa, it will just not register in his mind. Why so? because he is connected to the soil and land he builds and defends. A white Rhodesian will feel just as “native” as the black. I am not comparing Israel to European colonizers, because Israels claims and necessity for existence goes way deeper. But I want to make something clear about the mechanisms of being “native” and connected to the land.

I don’t think you understood me correctly. I am taking the least dogmatic and most starkly practical view. But yes I am also making a stand.

@Nivsch @Nabd both of you are reasonable enough and intelligent in your own right, don’t get too confrontational, thats petty and above you.

You must grasp the uniqueness of Jewish history. The extreme non-militantly of the vast majority of Jews led to the Holocaust, slaughtered like lambs. Only Zionists were able to organize resistance like in the Warsaw Ghetto, In the swamps of Belarus and the Sobibor deatcamp uprising. Zionists ultimately led the Jews to a country of their own. personal note: Thats why I always will be a Zionist. I sincerely believe so that my ancestors came from Israel. Either way I feel highly connected with Jewish history. But when it comes down to it. The bottom line is that Jews need Israel for survival.

Jews didn’t go after Nazi/German civilians after the war because they focused on building a future for themselves. Being productive, taking the moral high ground and building up a life and country from scratch. Because thats what respectable people do. And dude… Whats you problem with Ukrainians. They too are nowadays not savages unlike the Palestinians. (I am referring to the broad culture, I am sure there are also respectable groups, individuals within that society). There are still plenty of Russians in Ukraine. Nobody is going after them. Also in previous posts I talked about Palestinian living conditions not being that dire and having a lot of opportunity, being pampered with media attention and having had the opportunity to make good money in Israel. I am not going to constantly repeat myself.

@Lila9 Exactly, for how evil you think Israel is, Palestinian culture is pretty much rockbottom bankrupt. And with culture I don’t mean any of their Arabic quaintness but how you became a hero of the nation by killing innocent civilians. Then people are outraged that this war is so ugly and pamper the Palestinians because they fit their overly redundant narrative of a poor, oppressed people overlooking their absolute moral bankruptcy. You can’t have an honorable war with these kinds of people. In a more honorable situation a fighting party would do everything to save their women and children. They seem to do the exact opposite and glee when their own women and children are “martyred” and they get more pampering from international actors and thus encouraging them. They totally swim in the compassion and level headedness of Israel and the world but they themselves hold to no standards. It’s obvious that 7/10 happened exactly because Palestinians knew they would not get genocided.

Oke, I am more familiar with the Russian women in my country. Yeah for me a girl needs to be “global” not some provincial and especially not brainwashed by Russian propaganda. Though I still think most Moscow girls of the younger generation are absolutely fine in that regard.

Russian women are educated and intelligent, more so than Western women. Russian education system and the cultural value put on classic and general knowledge is top notch. But I understand if you find Russian girls a little rough. I am sure inevitably there will be pretty low brow women as well. Their stance on Ukraine is a good litmus test. None of the girls I dated supported the invasion.

Guess the grass is greener on the other side(; I am sure there are a lot of high quality developed girls in those elite Russian cities. So development is not the issue for you. For me after I have dated Russian girls there is no going back to plain and boyish western girls

@Schizophonia I am talking about raw energy. In my opinion Asian girls are not that feminine and its kind a cringe when they are trying to be cute. Latinas are really open and pleasant people that are physically beautiful but again they don’t have that raw feminine energy of Russian women. I also think that protestant inspired cultures like in Western/Northern Europe put a lot of value on plainess, “social normality” and self containment. Because of that stark gender polarity and deep femininity is not really fostered.

@Leo Gura I did contemplate it a lot. It has to do with historical Slavic culture and genetics. Traditional peoples like Asians and Latinas are not nearly as feminine. Though Latinas are my second favorite, they have other qualities. I am not talking about something conceptual but about a concrete “magical” feminine energy you can feel/observe. Something that is pretty rare in Western women but much more common in slavic women.

No! Feminine energy, it’s something magic

@Leo Gura Most foreign girls I have dated are exceptionally smart, sweet and feminine. I simply stopped bothering with Western girls because they are too masculine and I simply don’t click with them. I am sorry but I care about how feminine, stylish and how much general knowledge you have of the world and not how many genders you can tolerate. I really reconnected with my Russian-culture upbringing by dating Russian girls. I wouldn't date a Russian girl if she was Pro Putin or homophobic but most are not.

No need to travel, foreign girls that study in my country are some of the most intelligent and feminine girls out there. Western girls are overhyped, the more south and east you go in Europe the more attractive the girls become.

The best girls are girls that are progressive by standards of their somewhat underdeveloped country. Like the Mexican girl that is not totally Catholic or the anti-Putin Russian girl. A western girl that is some kind of major feminist or climate activist is huge turn off. This has nothing to do with politics, I am all for the climate and healthy feminism it’s just that activist minded people go way overboard. There is something loud-mouthed and defeminizing there that turns me off.

Iranians and their Arab allies are playing a steadfast long game. They don't give a shit about how many Gazans die. Only the West and even Israel is more concerned about that. For the Iranian proxies this ‘caring’ is just another weakness to exploit. for Iran, Palestinians are absolute disposables, Hezbollah a little less so because they see them as an extension of themselves.

@Nabd both Iran and the USA trying to play each other by laying “traps of interdependency”. The cunning of the Iranians is legendary. The only reason Iran is keeping Hezbollah on a leash right now is because they need them as their foot soldiers to storm into Israel later when Iran is nuclear and ready for war with Israel. I used to believe Israel is not really afraid of Iran having nukes and would much rather see Iran weak and poor due to sanctions. The idea was they would have less resources to send to send to Hezbollah, Hamas etc. and also drive the Iranian population further in to boiling dissatisfaction. I think Israel was outplayed in this case here by Iran. Dealing with the atomic weapon should have been the biggest priority. I do believe after the Gaza war is over, Hezbollah will get a beating next. After Hezbollah is diminished you can expect strikes by Israeli fighter jets on Iranian nuclear installations. This will be 2024 according to my prediction.

It’s worth humbling yourself and listen to intelligent people speak even if you don't agree with them. Nobody should dismiss intelligent people just because they are right leaning.

I have watched them. For me it's important. I am weak and shaking but I can handle it. It's a reality that must be faced and integrated. The tied-up raped and burnt bodies hit the hardest knowing they were shimmering and beautiful young women. The cutting out of the fetus from the stomach while the woman is consciously watching, is so gruesome my brain cannot register it as real. There is also a collection of 50 minutes of video of Hamas atrocities that is too traumatizing to publicly publish and is only shown to journalists and officials in private screenings. All of this savagery is committed by people/human animals who are considered heroes in Palestinian culture. "An integral part of the resistance" one would proudly boast. Palestinians have first and foremost dehumanized themselves. I don't hate them it's just that I have zero respect for their culture. All of my more moderate and peaceful views come from wisdom and cold principles but I have no real compassion for Palestinians. Only for those I love do I have extreme and even painful compassion. I love my family and my (ex) girls. I have respect for nearly all peoples of this world, also compassion to a degree. My deepest love and compassion is for Israelis, I also have a felt love for Russians. Feeling compassion hurts like a bitch.