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@Raze @somegirl @puporing Thanks!

Thanks for the advice, I will stop investing when a girl doesn't go on a date within a reasonable timespan. Are night numbers any good? Because I heard they are notoriously flaky and unpractical. I am also asking because I am already familiar with the "interacting and date-close" and have never done a "club game and sex-close."

Of course, but most regular people will only get that dynamic after sex and love. Nope, they were open-to-date alright (at least the girls in the example) I just wasn't a priority. The difference between a girl's loyalty before and after sex is like heaven and hell. Though I agree with most of your points.

Fair enough, of course, this is what most people think because they are closed-off and judgemental towards it. This makes it more socially unacceptable and thus generally (mentally) harder than night game. Also, I am not really talking about "spam" approaching, as I bet most people would imagine day-game. I just mean approaching the occasional hot girl in a calibrated way. Haha no, first of all, I really don't go out to (just) get laid. Second, there are all kinds of ways to avoid lying. Like you can have a secondary activity. for example I love to combine it with going to museums (I have a free pass). But yeah in some approaches I do tell a white lie like "I am shopping" when really I am not. I am not going to pretend this is all pure and innocent. Though I do try to be as honest as possible and be in integrity with my emotions and thoughts. For example, this means not closing when the vibe is off. Again I am not talking about cringy game forms. good day game that wins is as beautiful as a piece of art. Beginners will usually have a lot of "painful" cringy approaches but this is why day game forces you to grow more than night game (given that you persist, which most people do not). As for the "getting in trouble" part, this is mostly paranoia, sure there are some risks and you have to keep common sense. (I discussed reputational issues in an earlier posting). But in night game the risk of violence/intimidation/getting mugged/drugged and even std is much bigger.

If you've never really done it how do you know this belief/assumption is true. You don't have to lie. And don't act like night game is some pure and honest method of getting laid. I get it night game works best for you but this is pure projection. I can argue that meeting a girl on the street and dating is more wholesome and romantic than a club lay.

This is paranoid as hell. As I said and described in a previous posting you must avoid clownish and cringy game methods. But there is nothing illegal about approaching and people don't give a shit about you and what you do. Yes, if you live in a small town, day game will be extremely hard. In that case you have to be even more discreet. my rule of thumb is to just walk around and don't stay in one place for too long and go home after 5-7 approaches. I Usually game in Amsterdam (1 mil people). But sometimes also go to a city with a pop of 300 000. This means I just walk around the area of the central station and adjacent shopping area. After an hour or two and 5-7 approaches, I go home. In a sense, this is more Ideal than Amsterdam where more time and walking are required. My Dutch cites are not ideal for day game but still doable. If you live in a city like Paris or London you basically live in a day gamers paradise

@Striving for more Hey man, cool. In what city do you day game?

I largely agree here. That's also the reason I only day-game alone because it sometimes gets too cringy watching others. Even at nights out it's fucking cringy to enter a bar, disperse and approach every hot girl there. The most cringy form of game is when a dude just stands on a street and stops every girl walking through. Having said that, people don't really give a shit about it. If I didn't know about pick up and saw some guy approaching a girl on a busy street I would probably think nothing of it. Like they could know each other or he is asking for directions. Of course, given that the approach is nonchalant and not clownish. Amen! Oke, I am not really deep into the community. Like I did a boot camp with PUAs, but day game alone and only very recently started going out with the "community members". Most are chill and open but at the end of the day, they're just young guys looking for sex and love. That's almost every man in the universe but they do it on a more systematic and consistent level so to speak. Likewise, every man can shit talk and act obnoxiously but this doesn't mean that they are abusive dicks. I obviously cannot look into their personal lives and see how they treat women but to be honest they don't seem particularly dickish at least not more so than an average guy. Like, have you seen some of the non-PUA people that go out and how dickish and obnoxious they seem? And even for most PUAs getting laid is relatively scarce. When they land a girl it's a big deal for them.

I wouldn't say this is true. The ("secular youth") culture is really open, caring and much more socially free than anything in Europe.

Like how do "normal people" get girls: Tinder? is swiping left and right really more healthy than a good old street approach? I feel like that a guy who lands girls from Tinder is seen as an upstanding citizen but a guy that approaches girls on the street is demonized as a desperate, crazy, sexist loser. To be honest, I just do it to land a lovely girl I can make my girlfriend. Pick-up did corrupt my attitudes towards women a little bit. On the one hand, I think women are really sweet and pure creatures but on the other hand, It is also frustrating as fuck in how flaky and non-caring they are when dating considering the enormous effort and inner struggle that I have to go through. Still, I realize this is self-centered corruption but damn sometimes girls drive me insane with their cute flirtiness followed by flakes. I hope getting a loving girlfriend will heal this wound and make me more healthy.

@puporing Well spoken

Haha I am not a PUA, just on my own journey. Check out 'Todd V Dating' on texting. He got all the basics you need. On Insta you're just one in many. If she is a hot girl she will have a ton of random dudes hitting her up there all the time. Whatsapp is the way to go

Haha I am not a PUA, just check out 'Todd V Dating' on texting. He got all the basics you need.

@Majed Going for the date

Learn to make closing a smooth sequence (see some youtube videos on this topic). Learn about the 3 types of text from 'Todd V Dating' and learn about setting and keeping frame. Don't give generic compliments about her looks. If you had a short live interaction with a girl, some more (light and witty) texting is required to build comfort. Ideally, you would have at least tried to plan a date in your live interaction, this gives you an excuse to go straight to the point fast in texting. The last girl is definitely interested but the sudden close makes girls defensive (they want to feel somewhat in control, safe and not slutty/easy). Also keep it lighter and playful. make "you're coming?" into just "??", also the very sort time notice is putting the girl under a lot of pressure. Learn to give space and be witty, teasing, and non-serious without looking try-hard. But ultimately it takes two to Tango, if the girl is cold don't even bother closing.

@Davius Losing your virginity isn't a real big deal as society makes it to be. She sounds like a pleasant woman but don't have sex with her if you don't feel attracted. That's just very bad sex. You can spend more time with her and maybe you will get attracted. "losing virginity" is an experience and nothing more, don't do it for the sake of doing it. make sure it's with someone you're attracted to otherwise it won't feel right.

@SamC It can be jealousy but most likely they just don't like you. You need to charm the group or else they will take her away from you. That's just feminine behavior. Mostly vain and selfish but also protective. Sex doesn't mean the same for a girl as for a guy, girls really need to feel safe and not-judged.

The only way to learn is to build experience. (Young) girls don't give a shit about your money, they can't look into your bank account anyway. I also knew a lot of cool guys with girls who lived with their parents. That's mostly a logistical issue, but young people living with parents is just a fact of life these days and people hook up all the time regardless. There is something pure about girls in that they prioritize you as a person over your possessions and bank account. Like I have an apartment but girls don't give a shit about that, only after they really like me they will rationalize this as a bonus. In my personal experience, my first date ever was successful by pure fluke. But then after, I bombed a few times until I learned from my mistakes and improved my ability to conduct dates. In the beginning, dates will be rare so don't miss up on these learning opportunities.

Sounds good man but make sure to prioritize your mental health. Just having balls and approaching with poor social calibration will make you feel like a crazy person. But then again having some scrambled eggs at the beginning is nothing to worry about, they are just great learning opportunities. Going out consistently and not giving up is definitely the number one factor for success. Also, check out on youtube the necessary texting sequences for getting the girls on dates via text. Ideally, you have already started planning in the live interaction with her. It's nothing to be shy about(;

Feel you bro, I don't have your mental disorders but I am also an introverted and generally a quiet guy. I hate to admit but the social unacceptability of day game is a real bitch for me. Even though it's hugely in your head and most approaches end up okay. There is just a lot of anxiety, self-doubting and mental struggle involved in day game. Ironically the best way to mitigate that is to go out with the set goal of approaching women and to get in a good state where approaching feels like a very natural thing to do. But also go home when you notice that girls aren't that receptive to you on a particular day, this can happen. For example when you have done multiple approaches and you notice it isn't even possible to have a normal few-minute conversation with a girl. That is a sign that you should go home. You had a bad day, these can happen just as much good days can happen too. Spontaneous approaches are much harder due to high anxiety levels and lack of momentum. Also, don't approach for the sake of approaching. But approach and Commit, even when the girl's initial reaction is not good, just feel up the vibe for 10 seconds more and wish her a good day. Always be nonchalant and have a certain "social dignity" to you. This will also help you with the mental struggle aspect.

@Chives99 Do you have a masculine strength to you? For example, if you're interacting with a girl it should be energetically clear that you're the "strong" man and she is the "weak" women. Or are you energetically on the same level just like a gay friend would be? Also how social are you? If you're highly social and a lot around girls, it shouldn't be a problem.

First: The club itself was a miserable hellhole. It was loud, shit music, crowded like sardines, bad air, etc. Girls were very not-open-to interactions with strangers. At the end of the night, they were all dead-tired and not at all horny. And a funny thing that I noticed is that almost everybody in the club looked fucking miserable. It's not projection ( I was microdosed with LSD and therefore mildly energetic and jolly) you just really could observe such miserable expressions all over. Seriously! Like why did humans even invent such an obnoxious thing? I actually ended up not being in the club itself that long, like I went in for 10 minutes at a time and then spent a much longer time outside. I basically just gamed in front of the entrance. Basically day game but felt more socially acceptable. Had some interesting interactions with cute girls, got some numbers and I actually saved a very sexy girl that was being harassed by a guy. I confronted the guy and she then pretended I was her boyfriend. She was very grateful, got her number but I could see her with another guy who is her real boyfriend I think. Overall I actually look fondly back on the night. I did have some fun, though the club was absolute shit and I was tired for the entire next day. I want to continue with this and see how it goes, maybe this club and crowd were exceptionally shit. Either way, the abundance of girls and the social acceptability of approaching is definitely a plus.

I feel you bro, this is the core argument against daygame yet you have to rise above it. A big part of learning day game is learning to approach girls in a nonchalant way that doesn't make you feel like a clown or crazy person. Approach her like somebody you already know. Be aware of the situation but also learn to not give a shit about other people because I can guarantee you that they don't give a shit about you. At end of the day, you're the one that decides what is socially acceptable.

The US government is not obliged to reform or keep itself accountable based on leaked information. That's wishful thinking. Legally speaking: obtained evidence material is null and void when illegally obtained.

The very exposing of that information had and still has considerable implications on the US government touching America's very standing in the world. If you're a state, you take this shit very seriously. He knowingly and willfully published it, so this makes him complicit. It's really kindergarten logic. Exposing criminal/nefarious activity makes it a hundred times more momentous than some nudes(; Sure, but "devilry" is what is required to be a state and especially doing defense. no devilry = no life. Obviously, I don't want to justify things like killing civilians but I hope you can see why the army or CIA can't be an open book. Again I am grateful for the revealing of the information, and hopefully, this will lead to some positive change in conduct by the government. But then again I am not burdened with the responsibility of protecting US citizens.