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@Nabd Of course, Muslims don't give a shit about the wars among themselves or the concentration camps in China and the literal genocide of Muslims there. But if Israel does the slightest thing they go batshit crazy. Israel is such a convenient (political) scapegoat for Muslims.

@Leo Gura Why do you think Israel is rampaging? They're still warning civilians and obviously, the scale of bombardment is way bigger than in "usual rounds" because this is not a usual round. But yeah, Israelis do need to see some footage of flattened neighborhoods to get something out of their systems. Also, the pressure from America on Israel regarding civilians is not mere lip service so I don't understand why you're dismissing this. America explicitly saying it will condition support to Israel will be an insult to injury and an absolute humiliation for Israel. You don't want to make Israel feel like a cornered dog.

@Leo Gura It's not about how many Gazans die but about achieving tangible military goals. To be honest I think the number of 10.000 will just be reached in the coming week. 100,000s died in Syria and Yemen at the hands of fellow Arabs. There was a time when Israel released 1000 Hamas prisoners for 1 Israeli soldier, so that tells you something about the "normal" proportionality of causalities within this conflict.

@Raze Dude, you grotesquely misunderstand that article. The article is about something very nuanced.

That's so naive. The pressure on Israel is already enormous from the US/West. The massacres in Israel only lasted for a few days but the bombings in Gaza will last at least a month, probably more. This pressure will only grow. If you say to Israel that support is conditional you'll make Israel feel more unsafe and they'll lash out even more. For Israelis, it is a psychological comfort that the US has those big deck ships nearby and that Iran has no nukes yet. But even so, they'll always know that when push comes to shove, they're on their own. What needs to happen is for the international community to comfort Israel with all kinds of guarantees. For example, the Saudis could say, Oke: destroy Hamas but if you show visible restraint we'll reward you with normalized relations. But of course, the opposite happens. Talking is done with the stick rather than the carrot. I think Biden has handled this crisis very well so far. He is doing all the right things. Don't underestimate how much Influence America has over Israel when it comes to security. The big leverage of America is that they legitimately can guarantee Israel's security, so don't underestimate how much Israel is being kept in check.

@Leo Gura Oh man I wish you were right. The people who examine the dead bodies found signs of the most inhumane torture imaginable on many of the bodies. Rape and severed limbs definitely confirmed, all in a family unit. I will never look at the world the same.

I just want an end to their suffering, This whole thing has put life for me in perspective and took away a certain innocence from me. Quick Death, quick closure is a blessing a 1000* better than the hell that is unfolding. I take comfort in that the people who saw their kids or parents tortured are dead now. What is the point of living after having survived such a thing?

@Leo Gura What do you think Israel's approach should be to the hostages? As I understand it will be near impossible to get them out of the tunnels. There are many babies, toddlers, young women and elderly among them. To be honest I think it's better for them to be dead than alive. Should Israel just flood them?

@Leo Gura What do you think should be the approach to Hamas supporters in the West? There are a lot of them in England, Germany, France and Sweden.

@HMD That map is false, there was then no independent Palestine or an Identity that came along it (that formed later or at the time.) Most of the land owners were elite Arabs from the region who sold land to Jews. The second map was a proposal refused by Arabs who went to war, the third map was of the territories being controlled by Egypt and Jordan until they again went to war and lost it.

It's not just the number of bodies but also the state of the bodies. Severe sadistic psychological and physical torture is detected on the bodies of Israeli families. I don't want to think too much about it but it was basically torture and rape of parents in front of their kids and of kids in front of their parents. For this, hell awaits Gaza, we have seen nothing yet.

@HMD That message was towards the British who were deporting Holocaust survivors.

They can't understand why Israel is getting so much support. They totally demonized the EU as an organization supporting apartheid for displaying a giant Israeli flag after the attacks. For them, Hamas are legitimate resistance. They had articles saying that the baby slaying was just fake news, vicious Israeli propaganda. they totally skimmed over the atrocities. They just have great production quality and some Western journalists who are not totally biased. But their in-house analysts are pure propagandists. They show very graphic images from Gaae but in the kibbutz that was massacred, they just showed a damaged car and some equipment left by Hamas. The fact that Aljazeera Arabic is just blatant anti-Semitic garbage with all kinds of conspiracies and holocaust denial should tell you enough about their agenda. They just have a particular facade for a Western audience.

I have been keeping an eye on ALjazeera, they are totally glorifying the "resistance" and they seem to gloat about the fact that Israel will have such a hard time fighting them because they say "Hamas are the people", the "Idea of Hamas will always exist", again in a very gloating tone. Even though Aljazeera has a lot of clout it's definitely a toxic propaganda channel even by Arab standards.

First reports of small groups of Israeli special forces having entered Gaza trying to locate hostages. Godspeed!

Seems legit, (not 100% sure). Though to be clear these are not the hostages kidnapped to Gaza.

Yes, Netanayu's days are politically numbered. A good reason for him to prolong this was as much as possible.

@Leo Gura From what I understand, civilians are not the target, but Israel will go in very aggressively and uncompromisingly. The civilian population will flee but after Israel reaches them cornered I have no I idea where those civilians will go and what will happen to them. All complicated by Hamas being constantly amongst the civilians. They will have no qualms about fighting in civilian clothes.

I am not saying you support it but you do justify it, like for everything bad and horrendous you feel the need to play it down and relativize it.

@Leo Gura What I don't get is you try to justify everything that is happening as "natural and circumstances". Will you do the same when every single person in Gaza is wiped out. Will you say: oh it's just development and circumstances so don't demonize the Israelis. ?

People are cherry-picking for expressing shock and sympathy for the beheading of babies and rape of young women?

@Leo Gura You're really cherry-picking with that video.

They just found 40 dead babies some beheaded...

The back-and-forth bombings with Lebanon are getting more intense. Now it's not much but everything indicates Israel will lash out at them too and even Syria.

The hostages are practically already dead, especially the women. It's better that they die along the rest of Gaza. Maybe death is the best solution here.