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There were anti-Semitic riots in South America after Israel kidnapped a Nazi war criminal from Argentina, People are going to hate Jews no matter what, this is a very deep point. Anti-Semitism has always been the shadow of the Jews. That's the whole reason Israel cannot not exist. Even with all the terror and wars it is better that Jews have a country than be at the mercy of antisemitism in for example Russia.

haha thanks, I agree. I don't think Jews are "superior" to anyone in any fundamental way. But in many things we stand out, that's all, you can make of it what you want.

I always considered myself very lucky to be born Jewish, from all the races of the world I was born into this tiny nation which happens to be the most intelligent and energetic in the world, We stand out in every field we choose People hate us because they ain't us

@Nabd There is no conspiracy between Assad and Israel other than a tacit understanding of power dynamics.

Syria is not working for Israel, on their own they are too weak to do anything but Syria is actively fighting Israel as a part of the Iran axis. Like providing airports for weapon transport etc.

@Nabd Sensible Arab leaders care for stability above all. Fighting the IDF is bad for stability. Israel (and America) take Jordan's stability very seriously because they share a long border, they don't want some radicals or Iran there. It's a mutually beneficial relationship albeit a very unpopular one with the Arab masses.

@Nabd That's how power works, Assad is not fighting Israel because he is not suicidal.

They are keeping up the pressure to a maximum. But you already have reports of Israel turning the water back on and allowing more aid. American pressure also plays a big role here. If Hezbollah Joins, the war will take on a new dimension but it will also be an opportunity to cleanse Israel's border to no longer have savages on its border who can strike and massacre any moment

@Leo Gura That's utterly ridiculous. Yes, this war is brutal but there is also an understanding of why and who started it. Arab leadership also hates Hamas and wants them gone. The risk for escalation from Iran and Lebanon is really high, they are already fighting in low intensity. But Arab countries can't do shit and don't want to do shit. Their biggest weapon is breaking down relations, which they probably will start up again after the war.

@zazen The nature of Hamas and the environment of Gaza makes this war exceptionally brutal. Terrorism is blowing up a police station or a bus. What Hamas did goes way beyond that.

@Karmadhi I bet your people also kicked some other peoples out A lot of people didn't flee and became Arab Israelis. The Arabs were vicious and genocidal against Jews don't overlook that.

@Karmadhi so petty and dumb, why won't you move to another country?

The original European Zionist settlers were secular often left-leaning, liberal and idealistic, at least for the time. The bottom line is that Jews needed to have a state where they could defend themselves.

Obviously not. Every human is an animal. Humans are animals. You are an animal. The world is governed by animals. International law is not a measure of objectivity. Following international law is easy If you fight in an open field with a respectable enemy.

@Karmadhi@zazen To be clear I don't want genecoide. I am offering you a nice perspective to contemplate on this personal development forum.

@Karmadhi Genocide on Gaza is within the realm of justice, the only reason they are not getting wiped out is because of the grace and mercy of the Israelis.

Hamas not giving a fuck makes them strong and allows them to run circles around the IDF. Caring is a weakness and handicap in this war. There are many things Israel can do but does not because it has accountability. But going soft is also not an option for Israel. Israel's "fuel" is not as much "international support" but rather "international tacit condoning". After 3 weeks of fighting, I can see Israel still has a lot of fuel. Obviously, Israel doesn't care about random people protesting or even (Muslim) leaders making all kinds of statements, offering lip service to their people. I have not seen any concrete diplomatic steps by any country against Israel. They just don't want to break with Israel like for example, the West did with Russia. Some countries are like a canary in the coal mine. Like Turkey, even though Erdogan said "Israel is terrorist, Hamas is not", he did this at a rally for his voting base, not as a concrete diplomatic action. It was Israel who then retrieved its diplomats from Turkey but it's not yet a total break. Even from the (leaders of the) Arab world (outside the Iran axis), there is a tacit condoning of Israel's actions. The only support that matters for Israel is US support, for the rest it can do with this tacit condoning.

@Leo Gura The whole strategy of Hamas is to make Israel kill as many civilians as possible. Because that is how Israel gets pressured and loses out on international support. I don't think they have any qualms about placing their nerve centers under hospitals, it's perfectly in line with their psychology and total disregard for anything. For them, it's strategically brilliant even straightforward and logical to put important command centers under hospitals. In reality, I think this war will be long and harsh. This war also has an existential dimension because no country can or even deserves to exist if they can't take away such a threat. Netanyahu has also a personal interest in keeping this war going as long as possible. He will definitely be dethroned after. This war won't solve anything fundamental but it will change the situation which might be good enough. Hopefully, some sensible and responsible people will replace him. And at least try to engage with the Palestinian leadership that is not totally batshit crazy. But again, it's very tricky because Israel's center, where metropolitan Tel Aviv lies is just a few miles away from the West Bank border so can you imagine a similar attack as we saw but then breaking into the very heart of Israel?

@Nabd Even with terror attacks Jews are safer and all around better off in Israel than in other Middle Eastern countries. This is obvious in any scenario. The important thing is that Jews have the ability to defend themselves. The descendants of the original European Zionist settlers tend to be secular, liberal and idealistic (like those who lived in the attacked Kibuttz villages) but they are the minority and increasingly so. Israel is further drifting away from the West -or- integrating into the region by becoming more religious and conservative. The simple reason is because religious people have a shit-ton of kids.

10.000 IDF causalities are not acceptable. Israel is currently calculating, planning and testing the waters. It's now up to the IDF to show its worth and to hit Hamas maximally while having minimal casualties. This war might take years and might expand to Lebanon. Maybe Hamas can survive by making hostage deals. Israel will definitely try to take some of the tunnels and see how it goes and adapt its strategy.

The Israeli public will never allow for such casualty rates. Israelis are the opposite of Russians in how much they care about their soldiers. Though of course, some sacrifice is necessary. The Israeli army is already testing the waters by doing limited invasions at night. As I understand the Israelis are being advised to keep it to limited operations. I have no idea how they are going to clear the tunnels, maybe with robotics, gasmasks and some special sedating gas that makes both the hostages and guards go unconscious, I really don't know if there is such a thing. The IDF must better live up to its reputation and show some fighting creativity or some new secret technology.

Everybody can do their outcry, but as long as Hamas is holding women and children the Israeli army will rage on. This is not some kind of unprovoked naked aggression. Israel owes nothing to Gaza.

@lina Palestinians can have decent loving lives even under occupation but Israelis cannot live next to Hamas. Both are cruel but the cruelty of Hamas is absolute. On a more analytical note: Israel is mostly only sensitive to American pressure so this war will prolong until the Americans decide to put serious pressure on Israel to stop. You better believe that Israel is calculating this in their attacks to put off that eventual pressure point for as long as possible.

@lina The world should give Israel the room to fight Hamas however it sees fit. In the meantime, Gaza civilians will suffer. They should have known that when they attacked. You can't attack anybody in the world like that and expect a weak ass response, though I still see how Israel is calculating and holding back.

@Leo Gura I see myself as a relatively conscious guy, nothing special but still, I have done a good amount of psychedelics, am open-minded, don't have extreme political views, I was very critical of the current Israeli government. I am Jewish but I don't take it too seriously, definitely not religious, I am also Russian. But the thing that makes this attack so evil because it shows that there are hellish fates a million times worse than death (I don't know If you have seen the notes of that closed meeting for journalists on Hamas atrocities). I am not proud of it. But I lost a good portion of my innocence and I have to accept now that I also have an extremely cruel and genocidal side. For me, it's starkly clear how Israel is not targeting civilians and limiting casualties but I understand that for an innocent westerner that is hard to see.