Artsu

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    19 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @Artsu

       First off, interesting modal you have there. While I'm not post integral fully, I'm partly there and also a systems thinker, so if you're interested in how I think, feel, and frame my language around my own development at around that level, let me know here.

       Also, in your own words, could you describe to me how you see this synthesis between a human cultural value's developmental modal, and a human personality typing modal? Where, in your view, are the differences and similarities between the two modals?

    I suspect you're actually Introspective. No where near post-integral.

     

    As for the parallels: like I said, it's not about which personality type is at which level, it's about which cognitive function corresponds to that level in overall theme.

    For example, doesn't Orange sound a lot like Te? That's the best example, but it applies to every level.

    The problem is that Red doesn't sound like Se, but I put that down to a flaw in the SD model.

    Once you see how the functions map out to the SD levels, it's easy to see that Orange and Green need to be split in two.

    Once you get above Turquoise, there's a return to the Se theme, with living in The Now.

    Isn't the goal of meditation sometimes said to be awareness of the present moment? It turns out that true awareness of the present really is a very high level state.

    From that point on, the cycle restarts in terms of functions.

    I can see in my own development how my model is true, and I can access higher levels to see what is coming.

     

     

    If you're only at upper Green, which I suspect you are, it's doubtful that you have much awareness of The Now, let alone higher.

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    19 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

    What are math's motivations?  Does it seek recognition/success?

     

    Originally was, now it's Orange-Green, with small pockets of Yellow and Turquoise.

     

    Are you contradicting yourself?

     

    Misleading to start using such terms, imo.  There's just centre and cultural influences.

    UK and Japan lead the world in recycling.  But that doesn't mean they're Green countries.  It's just culture.

     

    Yep. It's a sad truth.

     

    Maths is upper Orange, which is Modelling.

    Read my post in the Thematic Hierarchy thread about Centre and Frontier. I didn't contradict myself.

     

    3 hours ago, Matt23 said:

     

     

  7. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

    Yaaa... I think many people misunderstand themselves and others here as Yellow or above but are really more "orangey-flavor".  Or more "Expert" in terms of the Ego-Development model I think.    Just cuz we talk about systems thinking and spirituality and even have mystical experiences and do psychedelics doesn't put us at Tier-2 etc..  The popular SD and Wilberean theories popular here even emphasize people have different lines of development that can be at different stages.  

    The people here are mostly Green who talk about Orange things.

    In truth, that's most adults. Green Frontier with Orange Centre.

    To have a Turquoise Centre is incredibly rare.

  13. Posted · Edited by Artsu

    5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

    You can teach a preschooler (Purple-Red) basic arithmetic.

    I'm not referring to arithmetic.

    You're right, arithmetic is lower down.

     

    I will say, higher level maths is also a lot about Yellow, but this is more for researchers. A university professor doesn't need to be Yellow. They can be Green. Pure maths professors are typically Yellow and above, but statistics professors are often Green.

  14. Posted · Edited by Artsu

    Just a note on the Centre of Gravity:

    When a person is at a certain level, their lifestyle and the things they talk about will actually be centred on a lower level. Typically this is 2 levels below their "Frontier" (the level one identifies as, where their growth is taking place).

    So, although this forum is Introspective, people tend to discuss Modelling. They also discuss Success, especially those at Community.

    I'm at Mission, but the things I talk about here are Holistic, although my lifestyle/Centre is actually The Now.

     

    In other words, WHAT a person talks about is their Centre, and HOW they talk about it is their Frontier.

  16. Posted

    1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

    You're the one who mentioned your personal experiences, and it's directly relevant to what you're asking about. Your intentions for asking it is obviously linked to it, so avoiding talking about it is unnatural. But sure, I'm not going to force you to do anything.

    I didn't avoid talking about it until I became very negatively affected.

    Yesterday was horrible.

  17. Posted · Edited by Artsu

    13 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

    I can’t tell you how to differentiate a spiritual emergency from mental illness, but I have provided a link below to the “Spiritual Emergency network”.  It provides some good information and has a link for help.

    https://www.spiritualemergencenetwork.org/

    I have decided for myself to be very discerning on who I talk to about my inner work.   Especially,  in a low consciousness society, your disclosure isn’t going to be received well.
     

    Do you experience spiritual emergency?

    If so, what is it like?

     

    Oh, and I told my psychiatrist about spiritual emergency. She used the word "emergency" to justify that it was a bad thing that needs psychiatric intervention. Facepalm -_-.

  20. Posted

    24 minutes ago, Proserpina said:

    When I am not medicated I have mystical experiences for months at a time.  Typically my intuition and psychic wisdom are hyper-developed and there is this thing which I call the 'smoke' which is the well-being of the collective.  There is also a radiance and beauty and aliveness to life in general, as well as sometimes a oneness and profound heart chakra awakenings.  It usually coincides with major 'events' of the collective, I am in the flow of life.  I am of service to the collective. 

    Yes, I even sometimes refer to these experiences as "Life".

    I've wondered if my experiences coincide with things happening in the collective. It was particularly strong during 2020-2021. Also 2012.

    The medications suck, but I can still have the experiences when medicated, fortunately. They do make life boring in general though.

    I'm hoping to have more of these experiences soon. Fingers crossed!