Princess Arabia

Ok thank you. I understand that about the people's pain part and don't go ruminating about it and i do try to help them the best I can, if I can; but it still doesn't negate the fact that I can feel their pain as if it were mine. They don't know this, though, as my reaction can sometimes come off as being cold and also with a hint of anger, but I've come to recognize that It's my way of avoiding those inner emotions that i feel when I see someone going through mental suffering and my way of disassociating from those feelings. I've done it quite a lot on this forum where I might sound angry or frustrated with someone while explaining something but it's because I hate to see them go through what they're going through so unnecessarily and I can feel their pain even through the computer. Thanks for your input.

Yes but this explanation seems to be like a warning of what to do or not to do because of the ego. If one becomes truly Enlightened, which just happens, why would one need to be concerned with what the ego might attach itself to. I personally don't think a human can experience total "non-separation" while in this body, enlightened or not. I don't even think it's possible to have that experience. Maybe feel a sense of oneness but not totally.

Ok thank you. I'm not Enlightened but I've been through some of the things you mentioned and experienced. One of them is I cannot feel insulted anymore. Maybe that's just because I've developed a thick skin from dealing with people's shit and also recognizing that it's usually about them and not me. I never really had anxiety problems, always slept good, very rarely feel bored maybe because there's always something to distract me from being silent and meditating even though I do those things on the spur of the moment regularly if i'm not too distracted. A lot of the stuff you mentioned, I'm naturally like that as far as being in public and I'm very free spirited. I do have a sense of self, though, even though i've seen through the illusion of a separate self, if that makes sense. It's pretty obvious to me but I still operate from the egoic mind. My body is going through some changes where I have dramatic cravings that I've never had before and I find myself weeping sometimes just from feeling presence within and the life force flowing through me. I've gotten a lot more sensitive to people's suffering and much more empathetic than I used to be. I cannot stand it when I see people going through mental suffering, it's as if I'm the one feeling their pain - that has increases. Just writing that sentence tore me up a bit. Anyway, I think I went through a shift in consciousness and have had a teeny bit of Awakening and experienced some changes but I still don't really think anyone gets really enlightened only Awakened only because of the plane we reside on called Earth and the conditions just aren't suited for the mental capacity to really experience Oneness in it's pure form. I won't get into that aspect for the sake of brevity and I'm probably wrong about that but who knows.

@Osaidthank you for that explanation. Can it become a gradual thing or does it just happen all at once.

I don't think non-duality is including in this; I think it's just enlightenment. Non-duality is a thing not a belief.

The human mind likes to complicate things. Experience is the best teacher in this domain and lots of practice.

She is. Is just this enlightenment term is over used and misrepresented in terms of what it actually means.

Now this is starting to sound sexist. It's you though yimpa so no worries, you're both genders. Lol

You better leave my girl alone before I put you to sleep.😜

This sounds like and resembles the energy of neurosis.

You're sharing her and saying she seems to be enlightened when she doesn't even consider herself enlightened. As far as she's concerned, we're all already Awake. She's just there to point us to what's already there.

Nice to know. I need some help around here. Joking, but it didn't matter because women can be sexist too against other women. It's called Internalized Sexism. Anyway, I've realized that it's not so no need to harp on that. I don't know the answer to your question, though, as I'm not a big fan of enlightenment as it is usually portrayed and understood to be. by most.

Is this gonna be a sexist topic.

Lmao. The tragedy of humanity.

That's what people don't understand. If you're going out to try to meet people, going solo is best. For men, wingmen are there to emulate, to copy from, to study which you can do from a distance. For women, guys approach women who are by themselves quicker than if she was with other girlfriends.

You can have other people show you how to do stuff, learn passively at first and gather information, but when the time comes to do the work to get results, it's only you that can get the job done.

If that apartment is imaginary, like he said, then that court is also imaginary and also that argument.

You people keep saying how life goes on and people gotta eat and bills need to be paid and blah blah blah. Yes, that's the case but those bills came from somewhere, that apartment came from somewhere, money came from somewhere, everything came from somewhere, the car the house the food. If it's all coming from the same place, then how to maintain them will also be coming from the same place. They all came from a thought, a thought within consciousness. So the bills that has to be paid is also within consciousness and the money that has to pay for those bills is also a thought within consciousness. So why not go to the main source where everything is generated from. So if we understand that there is no outside world and that everything is being generated from within consciousness it will make those bill paying easier and also maintaining that imaginary apartment.

It's OK, it's not your time yet, enjoy your suffering. Not saying I don't suffer too, we all do, but nothing else is more important to me than to understand Reality, how the mind works, Consciousness, Awareness etcetc. If you want to call your world and how it's being created mumbo jumbo, suit yourself. I'm not in the business of suffering and delusion and I will continue to learn who I am, become self aware, and trust in the know. If someone tries to show me something I'm not aware of, and what might eliminate my self-inflicted pain and suffering, I will investigate it, contemplate it and use my own discernment before just blatantly dismissing them and calling what they have to say mumbo jumbo just because I'm not familiar with it. Suit yourself and feel free to fight the world from the outside in. It's a mental Universe so I will continue to develop my mind and use it - not let it use me.

I'm referring to the apparent outside world.

I'm trying to show you how claiming things as yours will inflict pain and suffering. Perfectionism now found itself a home and because it's not welcome it suffers. You have to start to dissociate one from the other. Perfectionism is a label you have put unto some form of behavior and now you're claiming perfectionism to be yours. My arthritis, my depression, my weight, my anxiety, my this, my that. Ownership. The ego doesn't like to lose anything. You are creating your own suffering by claiming these things to be yours.

Ok

The world is an illusion so how can you view it based on truth. Delusion is if you don't recognize that it's illusory. Then we can experience it accordingly.

When you say "you're having" who is the "who" you're referring to?