Princess Arabia

Yes, schizophrenic blah, blahs. Lol

Music is more natural than your words. Words that come from useless thoughts. Thoughts that believe one needs strength to change one's life and that music makes one submissive. Music can be relatively therapeutic to one that can benefit from a little soothing. A soothing from thoughts that created your kind of message. So maybe it is more music that is needed to free the thoughts you are claiming. Music without thoughts.

Maybe what he's actually saying is he's the only tree. You're a part of the tree. Reverse that as saying, you're the tree and he's a part of that tree. Same thing. How can a mind exists independently on it's own. Where is it's ground, it's roots.

What if everything everybody ever said was the Truth. What if it is all true. What if there is no such thing as a lie, and also no such thing as truth, and also no such thing as no such thing; and what if there's something as no such thing. Wait....even me can't even understand what I just wrote. Let me read that again. See, the mind can come up with all sorts of things; all sorts of explanations for what is. Why is any of it false or any of it true, What determines that, also the mind. Thoughts. Thoughts are deciding if thoughts are true or if thoughts are false. What a thought-fuck. Thoughts fucking thoughts. Jesus, what a .......was gonna say mind-fuck. We say things are relative. Relative to what? Relative to the subject? To who is looking, perceiving? We say there is no other and this is the Absolute, but at the same time relativity exists. The Absolute is relative to itself? We call things paradoxical, but what does that even mean. Something that cannot be explained? Something that contradicts it's own self? Isn't language made up. Made up to make sense of existence. What if there are no paradoxes, no truth, no falsehoods. What if everything were true and false simultaneously. What if not nothing was true and nothing is false. Same thing. We can twist and mingle words together for different meanings. Some words have the same meaning and some different meanings. The same word. How is that. Depends on how you look at it, we say. Who is doing the interpreting. Maybe, just maybe, nothing is true and everything is true. Nothing is false and everything is false. Isn't that the same thing. Different wordings.

Remember, there are seemingly different parts to a tree. The root, the stems, the branches, the leaves, the fruit etc.....same tree. So just because you may write from your own mind, consciousness or whatever you call it, it doesn't mean it's totally independent of another's. On the other hand, though, other trees do exist, so that equation may not hold up.

Exactly. That's why 1000's of approaches can defeat the purpose.

This is what we can't understand. Everything is not for everybody. We focus our attention on the things we don't like and complain about it, while others are enjoying and finding useful the same thing. We seek out pain, then we complain about the pain when it hits.

Remember, God dumbed itself down. What do you expect. Sheesh!!. 😜

.....and Jesus gonna bazook.

There are apparent stages/phases that one goes through when it comes to Spirituality. Most of you are aware of them; and even though they are different for everyone, I won't get into the details of mine for the sake of brevity. What I will get into, though, is the stage I'm apparently at and how it's very difficult to see pass a particular aspect. I've been through the apparent initial shock, the purging, the cravings, the settling, the integration and seeming embodiment. I was never really an active, vigilant seeker; even though it's still seeking no matter how you look at it; but I was never really trying to get somewhere or enlightened or awaken or anything of the sort. I was more of the curious type and just wanting to know as much as I could, which is still seeking but for a particular reason that's knowledge-based. I'm like a nerd and always reading and learning about different stuff pertaining to life, psychology, self-improvement and the likes. That's just me and has been for a long time. What I'm skeptical about and cannot seem to get pass is anything that doesn't include EVERYBODY. What I mean by this is, I cannot see how because one has access to certain knowledge and teachings how they seem more fortunate than those who don't or have any clue that it even exists. Seems as if this stuff is only for the privileged and not "rich" privileged; but having access to. We're talking about life-changing stuff and the kind of stuff that can potentially save lives, or even end it, depends on how you look at it. This isn't about non-duality now, but more practicality. There are teachings and processes and books and videos and ceremonies and all sorts of stuff that people do Spiritually in order to obtain and achieve certain things; and it seems to me that those who aren't, don't know, are unaware, or are even doing the "wrong" things, that they will end up in a worse place or left stranded or "die" without knowing the difference. Why should that matter. Why should it be the case that we didn't ask to come here but we have to figure out how to live and suffer because we didn't get access or at worst don't care to even make the attempt. We say we are subconsciously led by our habits and focus and attention; but most at a young age were not really responsible for how they were raised and that plays a huge role in how one's psych develops. Seems to me, we get punished for things we can't help and that we need to DO certain things, or else. I'm not speaking about normal stuff like morality, or learning skills, or normal life challenges; even though not excluded, because that also seems to be for the privileged and being in the right place at the right time, but exclude all that, I'm focusing on the Spiritual aspect. If the man up the street doesn't know anything about this stuff, why is he "doomed", or why are gurus any different from their students or why because I believe one thing over another, my life will become chaotic or why does it take another to grow me while they are human just like I am. Because they know better? Who determines that? They were a baby once and learnt about life too; so now because circumstances led them on a different path, they are better at steering the blind? Speaking about the blind. There are processes that require sight, how does that work, there are processes that requiring hearing, how about the deaf, there are processes or teachings that require all the five senses; and i don't have to expand on the point I'm trying to convey here. Seems like there are conditions and circumstances that are required to "save" the population on a Spiritual level and I cannot get pass that. There are people in jungles and live without access to certain things; it shouldn't be a requisite. A lot of people are stuck, feel unmotivated, feel empty, lonely, sad, depressed, anxious, confused, are suffering and seemingly ignorant to quite a few things and are reaching out to others for help; and it seems to me that the whole world is in a state of ignorance as to who or what they really are and how to cope with the seeming challenges of life - but momma and pappa don't have a clue either and they're the ones that brought us here - so-to-speak. Most are clueless. It's a challenge to stay alive and there are even lots of people who possess most of the things that "normal" people are trying to obtain and will fight or even kill for, but they are still coping and are still depressed and not happy with life. Seems as if there's a rat race going on for people who didn't ask to come here and i just can't get pass most of the Spiritual stuff that's in favor over one and not the other. Either it includes all or none. This is why the stage where I'm at (it's not really a stage, but for language purposes) where there's no one, no life, no world or Universe, nothing is happening, it's just this, right here right now, alive and kicking, with no past, no future, no space, no time, no awareness, no consciousness, no mind, no nothing......but EVERYTHING simultaneously is where I'm at. The Jim Newman and Emerson stuff. All of it. Something in me resonates with that TOTALLY, and his messages aren't new to me. In fact, I heard it a while back but never resonated as much as it does now. Now that I've weeded out and have something to compare it to, along with resonance. IT INCLUDES EVERYONE, EVERYTHING AND NO ONE SIMULTANEOUSLY. It's the only message on an existential level that TOTALLY makes sense even though it doesn't make sense. That's the paradox. That's the mystery. This to me, is all there is, ever was and will ever be. All that said, I'm still operating from a human level and interacting with life the same as before, still listen to "teachings" and am still exploring and will always be curious. It's just certain things have fallen away. There's no one here to recognize or realize anything I've said, it's only a message. I did not get anything, nor did I gain anything. Each and everyone of you is in the same boat I'm in. The nothing is everything boat. I may speak a little bit differently, but it's not me doing it, it's just happening. I'm not trying to be different or change anything because there's nothing to change. There's just a resonance that happens and I have nothing to do with it. The sense of "I" recognizes there's no "I" but there's also simultaneously an "I", and I don't see a need to have to change that because that's also what is. I love this stuff and will always be engaged, but without trying to get somewhere or know anything. Only on the practical/human level, which will still just be happening without me consciously doing it anyway; but nevertheless, i'm not concerned with all that nor will be debating anything of the sort with anyone because it makes no difference and will just be null and void. Whatever happens, happens and whatever appears, appears; and what is, is. There's a differentiation of Spirituality and Practicality happening here and the difference between the two is not a problem for me where I will become oblivious to the normal ways of life and the world and become nihilistic (which is just a belief system), if anything it's the opposite which comes with more peace and less resonance with mental suffering and pain and agony. This was long; but so what, it's the message that counts.

A real Guru would recognize there's no one to help because this is Absolute. Absolutely perfecto!! What's needed is for people to recognize wholeness. Completion. No separate self. Then work from there.

This is what we're ultimately after, The end of the misery and suffering that is a by-product of the separate self. We seek to end the "l", which cannot help but seek to reconnect to the whole. It is unaware that's what it's actually seeking. Why do you think there's so much misery and suffering in the world. The individual cannot help but to seek, it's a function. It's not really separate, though, but only in it's individual dream.

In some sense I agree with this and in some I don't. It's OK. I'm just saying. I don't think OP was referring to this type of seeking though. Some masters and gurus are still seeking. Seeking an audience. I mean, we can interpret seeking in all sorts of ways. I'm pretty sure most of us have an idea what OP is referring to; but we want to play word games and beat around the message.

What's the correlation with these statements and "everybody here is seeking attention". Is Consciousness seeking attention?

I'm not sure what that's like, so I can't say.

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Maybe it's heaven at the time for those torturers. We tend to want to highlight the bad things that happen to say this isn't heaven, but what if that's also heaven, what you described for the people committing heinous acts. I'm not calling this heaven - just saying.

What kind of a statement is this. That's just an undermining of the use of the forum for some.

You do have a point here. Well said.

You got it backwards.

Seeking is not the problem. If you're looking for God, if you're looking for peace and happiness, if you're seeking the end of suffering, things like that; it will never be found if there is a separate individual. Nothing wrong with exploring for exploring sake. Nothing wrong with seeking either. Nothing wrong with anything. Why does one's actions always has to be because a teacher said so. Or has to be the sole reason why one stops doing something or starts doing something. Spirituality is being treated just like Religion. Pastors all over the place. It's just called Gurus instead.

Your title made me chuckle. I have nothing to say to anybody about seeking. All you're going to get are rebuttals and how you're full of shit. Nobody cares about what the "commoner" has to say. They want extravagant, complicated and twisted and "unstraightforward" messages that their minds can't wrap itself around. Messages from gurus in a big chair, a long white beard and a turban a mustache or that seems to be at peace and talks with reverence and never blink. Hence your Avatar. Lol If it's not complicated it's not received. If it's a message that suggests the undoing of something that doesn't replace it with another doing, it's rejected. If it's not something that perpetuates the self, the sense of an individual and is not about the whole, they don't wanna hear it. What's the point. None, since it doesn't matter anyway because there's nothing else to do but seek. Meditation is the worst form of seeking because all you're doing is sitting and trying to use something to stop the very thing you're trying to stop which only perpetuates the thoughts even more. It's a life-long battle of thoughts that meditation is only there to mediate which is also another thought.