Princess Arabia

Thank you for this. It's about time I see a post of this nature. It's usually the opposite. I could come on here and blast the male species and constantly make posts about what I see wrong with them; but I don't because I've recognized it's all a matter of perspective and how I see it. I can chose to see it a different way which will change how I experience them; which I've done. If I see men a certain way, that means i see myself in a similar way. May not be in the exact same way, but the energy is similar because we cannot see anything outside our own states of consciousness. It's all within the same scope. One has to change themselves to see outside change. These are the types of work I focus on. The power lies within. I aim for the simplier the better and more powerful. What I see when I see hateful comments about women(or men) is a cry for help. Needing for the outer to change before our tantrums subsides. That's all they are - tantrums. The world needs to succumb to my needs and pleasures or else........ Women are this and men are that, even within myself so I'm not calling anyone out because I'm also "guilty" of this. I've recognized it's my own thought patterns and way of thinking, no matter what they have done. I can chose to see it empathetically with compassion and kindness while still going the other way, or I can demonize and throw a fit and call upon myself more of the same through the power of attention because what we focus on expands. Thank you for bringing light and awareness to this ; and it's not only because I'm female, but it's a very powerful message even if it were shun on the male species because they are also powerful magnetic beings that also deserve love and respect. We are all crying out for love inside but have turned it outward not realizing all we need to do is show ourselves a little more love and that love will reflect back to us what we have given ourselves.

Love this. I felt every minute of it. I could even see you on the floor weeping uncontrollably, just from reading it. Your experience shows it doesn't matter what you do; these experiences can happen at any given moment; especially when least expected. Dates and oatmeal can be what allows for these feelings of love to come through as well as psychedelics, meditation, mantras, yoga etcetc, doesn't matter. Anytime, any place, any how. Life isn't planned; life is spontaneous; it's alive and kicking, it's here, it's now and that's even a moment too much. There are no rule books to life and no one knows what's coming next. All the practices we do can get thrown out the window by a sudden explosion of ecstasy that was strung upon us. We cannot predict these things and every moment is new and forever unfolding.

All is mind, most will agree here. Your wanting a brand-new sports car, a new watch, shoes, a better job, starting a business or getting a new gf/bf, is no different than you wanting to achieve anything on a Spiritual level. You might think I'm insane but please hear me out; and this post is in no way trying to say not to do either or that a wanting a new car is the exact same thing as meditating. It's simply showing how the reasons for your desires are the same - A FEELING. To achieve anything or to get our desires met, the same tool is used. Thought. Thought is matter. That car was a thought before it came into manifested existence. You wanted that car so you could FEEL a certain way, whatever that is. That spiritual practice we do, whatever it is, was once a thought. We want to achieve an outcome. That outcome makes us FEEL a certain way. That car, house, job, gf/bf, makes us FEEL a certain way. When that particular thing no longer makes us FEEL how we want to feel, it is replaced by another thought which then results in another desire in order to bring on said desired feeling. Acquiring something materialistically or Spiritually brings on the same result - a desired feeling. It's still trying to gain something. People who are materialistically rich or have acquired lots of materialistic goals tend to think they are better than others, more fortunate, in a better place and are blessed. People who have ascended Spiritually, transcended old behaviors, patterns, have achieved a lot on a Spiritual level, meditate a lot, have done shadow work, read a lot of Spuritual books, have gone to numerous retreats etcetc, tend to think they are above the normie, are more conscious, fortunate to have discovered this lifestyle, are above others who go out clubbing, drinking, gossip, and engage in low-conscious stuff. Whether it is low-conscious or not is not what I'm referring to here but the feeling it gives. Less hedonistic, more righteous, of a higher caliber human, more intelligent and above the rest in that way. How are the two any different when it's the same tool used and the results are the same. It's all in the mind. Thoughts. Only difference is how that feeling was achieved. We are all searching for a feeling. Even the quest for truth , is satisfying an urge, a feeling of accomplishment a quest and a quenching of one's thirst. The desire for a hot chick VS the desire to feel at peace through meditation is pretty much a desire borne by thought and accomplished by thought. Same tool, same outcome - A BETTER FEELING. Believe it or not, some people are addicted to suffering and will go out of their way to self-sabotage because it's a familiar feeling, They are uncomfortable feeling feelings of happiness and joy because they don't feel deserving. IT'S ALL ABOUT A FEELING. So to sum up, our quest for materialistic goals VS our quest for Spiritual ascension is really not any different, but only how the mind categorizes both, the contents, and the way it gets accomplished. Same result and same tool used. The mind has tricked us into believing that one is better than the other when the only thing achieved and or sought after is A BETTER FEELING. The same emotions arises when that desire on both levels doesn't get or gets met. Frustration, joy, sadness, happiness, contentment, peace etcetc and the same way they are all short-lived and the next quest begins. It never ends on both levels (material/spiritual), until both gets exhausted and the seeking stops which is almost next to impossible for the individual. It's automatic. Even the monk is seeking for a feeling of serenity.

Sob sob. So sorry to hear. Death is the only thing i haven't come to terms with about life yet. No amount of spiritual work can mend this heart reaching feeling when a loved one is lost. Pets are very dear to us and when I lost my cat 6yrs ago, I couldn't bear it, not to mention my mother. It's a feeling that mends in time; and i do hope you take the time to do what's best for your heart to grieve and allow for healing.

Ok. Apologies. You have your perspective and I have mine.

No I didn't. At least try to understand what I'm saying.

It's a contest now. My house is bigger than your house. I do more than you do. Same difference, Some don't recognize they are stressing my point even more. I'm better than you in this context. What you do is no match for what I do. That was in the air for the asking of that "what do you do" question.

No one said anything about desire being a curse, neither is it a blessing it just is. Curse and blessing goes full circle and the difference is only thought.

Ok, point taken; and you do raise a good point when you say "gradually reduces expectations because of a sense of more fulfillment". That's a difference; because in materialism the need is always more and more and more. Spiritualism can also create the need for more and more and more also but I get that the difference could result in a less egoic need for more.

Just the fact of even this question shows an air of better than and trying to mock what one thinks the other is or isn't doing. It's a now comparison of who is doing what and laughing at one you think knows nothing about doing spiritual work. It's being condescending and putting oneself above the other. Judgements that come from ignorance because the assumptions have no merit other than what one thinks about the other person and not from anything known. I don't have to explain to you or anyone what I do or don't do on a spiritual level; but I would be more inclined to say if one had asked in a more respectable and less condescending manner. What I will say, however, is my demeanor, mannerism, respect level, the way I communicate to others, less confronting and laughing at others' way of expression and respecting people's privacy and not demanding of one to disclose practices they do or not do can far outweigh any spiritual practice one does. In the end, it's about living in a way that we're not a menace to others, constantly showing up in disrespectful ways, uplifting others, sharing ourselves in ways that can change people's lives for the better and bringing out in others their best, the best we know how and to maybe put a smile on someone's face that we come in contact with. IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT ONE DOES at times, but what one doesn't do; and i damn sure am not a pain in the ass to most people I come in contact with and i do care for the way I make people feel with the way I communicate with them and try my best not to keep being a menace and a pest in people's lives and that can count for any spiritual practice one can do to try to bring happiness to themselves for the sake of less suffering in their obviously pathetic lives. If I don't have a problem with myself and the world and i see no problems with the design of the Almighty and I'm not in conflict with the mind nor my thoughts, and I'm in acceptance with the way things are whether good bad or indifferent, then, as far as I'm concerned, I don't need to do any spiritual practices to try to change anything. However, whatever it is that I do, is none of your business and I'm not in the business of comparing myself to you or anybody's expression of how they conduct their spiritual practices; and as far as I'm concerned the act of taking a shit can be labelled as a spiritual practice; but it won't be to your limited mind and sheep mentality because in your mind you have to do something that is acceptable to the masses as to what SHOULD be done spiritually for it to be considered a worthwhile practice to save you from the miserable life you have and need to save yourself from. Thank you for the question and I hope this answered it well enough to satisfy your pathetic curiousity.

Just wanted to share this video that inspired this post and I totally agree.

Don't agree. Still egoic, imo. Still an activity geared towards something. Nothing wrong with it, but still egoic. Long-lasting forms of happiness is a measured egoic accomplishment. Doesn't matter, still a form of seeking and an egoic pursuit being sought after and claimed to be a better pursuit of happiness. A longer lasting happiness VS a shorter one doesn't make the pursuit any better but only in the mind. You can still compare it to materialism where a cheap watch VS an expensive longer-lasting watch will bring more long-lasting happiness. The difference is the content.

The less suffering could still be equated to moving in a bigger house VS a small dump. It's still a gain and an achievement for the personal ego. Still an egoic pursuit. Only the ego suffers. Difference is content.

I like the way you framed it. Like I said in one of my comments, if done without expecting in return but just for the joy of it, imo, it's not a match to materialism, but if done to achieve something there's no difference other than contents because all is mind and thought is matter.

Nice.

You're telling me how you saw it. Your opinion of it. Thanks for sharing. I totally disagree but to each is own. I don't even see the beautiful actors and the wearing of good clothes. The nazi soldiers were in uniform and the people in the camp were dressed appropriately. There were terrible things happening to the prisoners one of which they were burnt alive in the shower. Another got her baby shot and wannabe escapees were executed in front of their peers. I didn't see anyone dressed up nor with fancy hair. They were eating filth as in dirty water and bread and the soldiers beat the feeder from not serving fast enough. Their clothes were sometimes raggedy and stained. You described a totally different movie in my eyes but like I said to each is own.

Oh my! Such genius. You are our new secretary. @Yimpayou're fired. Can't top this one. You have been demoted to moderator. Lol. Ilm so silly, I think I need help.

I'm saying after the initial Rolex wears off, they'll need something else. After meditating and the peaceful feeling comes, more meditating is needed after that peace wears off. It takes consistent buying of stuff and consuming to maintain that feeling and it takes consistent spiritual practices to maintain that feeling. I don't see anyone meditating one time and say they are in constant peace and fullfilment. I see a lot on here still miserable even though they do spiritual practices. IT doesn't matter what one does, it seems it needs to be constantly done to maintain itself and material or spiritual it's still a feeling being sought after even though spiritually speaking the feeling may last longer or is more in depth. You're not going to give up your practices tomorrow and say I'm alright now I've gained all I needed to gain and the consumer isn't stopping buying stuff because they are content. Both takes consistency and pretty much till you die. The person doing either just for the pleasure of doing them and not because they're looking to get something in return is the one, to me, who is indifferent and who knows how to enjoy life without getting anything from life back. When you're doing either for a gain there's no difference only in the content and maybe to satisfy the ego's desire for a better feeling and the spiritual seeker will believe they are being more productive but they still need to continue those practices till they die because if they were to stop that ego will lose the grip it thinks It has on it's well-being and the reason it's doing those practices. When Spiritual practices are done merely for the joy of doing them, then that's no match for materialistic consuming. That's the difference to me. That's all I'm saying. I love Spirituality and I will not give it up for anything. I just love it for it's own sake.

Ok Gotcha.

Not fair.....that doesn't count...boo boo.

huh? You lost me here.

Everyone breathes?

Yup. All you said. That's the fucking illusion. The person that agrees is the illusion, the person that doesn't agree is the illusion. The meaning of these words is the illusion. The one that thinks life is happening to it, is the illusion, I mean it runs deep. What appears is not the illusion and is just arising from no-thing and gets interpreted.

Nothing because it's illusory. The need for desire stems from separation which is illusory. It cannot be helped.