Princess Arabia

Not in a bad or serious way, but in conversations. Yesterday I had a long conversation with a friend about life in general and the topic turned into thoughts, which turned into good and bad, which turned into good and bad people, which was where the miscommunication started. I mentioned that people are acting from good intentions (a video of Leo's; and I also recognize this myself to be the case), and that we all are inherently good. He then said to me, "oh yeah, what about Hitler, Putin, Genghis Khan and other famous dictators". I said they were bad people acting from good intentions. Then I attempted to explain how but was met with repeated resistance. "How can the murder of millions of people be classified as a good intention?" He asked. I tried to explain their motivations and to look what happened to Iraq when the US invaded; and the country fell apart. He then said he knew people that were in the Iraq war and continued to give surface level reasonings as to why and how these people were bad people and why the country fell apart. I had to be continuously stating that I didn't condone the killing of these people nor am I saying they were good people; but there's an underlying element there as to why these people act the way they do and it's something they themselves aren't even aware of in respect to it coming from a good intention but merely from survival. He kept his argument going (respectfully) by stating how money, power and greed is the root of all this. I said to him his neighbor is probably greedy, loves power and money but would never be motivated to commit such heinous crimes; so, there must be another element there. He just couldn't understand what I was trying to say even when I said I would watch the video again so I could explain it better. I even offered to send him the video to watch for himself; but of course, who would believe a YT video with a bald-headed guy talking on a camera for 2hrs more than maybe say a serious documentary on CNN explaining this in detail. People are entrenched in paradigms and expect to get their information from a particular source that is more recognizable and has a more authoritative quality to it. I know, because I've also experienced this type of prejudice because I'm not a noted "professional". Anyway, the video in question wasn't sent as I figured it wasn't asked for, nor was there any enthusiasm to see it. I quickly turned the conversation around and started talking about something else that was more on common ground. I don't go around discussing Leo's videos on these similar types of topics like wars and survival and self-deception and survival much because the average person will probably not understand it unless they've had previous exposure to the existential nature of reality and some background on the mind and how mental the Universe is. I try to keep the conversations normal, which I don't mind, since I'm always studying by myself these kinds of topics. It's just that sometimes a regular conversation can turn into these things unexpectedly, but it's very rarely ever received and sometimes trying to explain makes one seem to be condoning wrong doing. Just thought i'd share. Thanks, Leo, for these types of videos because they make one understand better about human behaviour, even the people we come across that resist these explanations and to realize why even them cannot see pass their own paradigms and levels. It makes for less judgements and understandings on the person's part who is mature and wise enough to recognize where the ignorance stems.

You just need to go work on your need to having to always put people down when you speak. Sex worker and celebrate sexless marriage doesn't even come close to rudeness, disrespect, always criticizing and judging. A sex worker can be loving, kind and compassionate can't say the same about you.

Wow, you misinterpreted her. I understood, so I'll leave it at that.

yeah, I was asking if you had to choose as in the case of life or death - figuratively speaking. Not which one you'd be more attracted to personally. Personally, I'm not attracted to either one physically.

I hope you noticed I didn't pick either. I said if it was a matter of life and death that i choose one, i'd choose #1. That man isn't even ugly, he's just not as attractive as the other one

A man who looks physically like a man, quite masculine, but with an air of kindness, compassion and vulnerability in that he's willing to open up and not be afraid of how he will be perceived, That's the same as courage which I believe is a masculine trait but also has feminine qualities to it. Not someone who can't make decisions, who is whiny and needs for me to make him feel secure and who leans on me for important decision-making. He knows when to let go of his leadership role to allow and accommodate for my wishes, desires, and likings without being submissive but as a showing that he cares about how I feel. Things like that.

Lmao. Don't try. In fact, you just demonstrated an air of masculinity here. Perfect example of a man who would make a good husband. Lol

I agree with what she said because a lot of men who get along with women, it's not so much that they understand them but they just love the femininity she exudes and are willing to surrender to that and are willing to learn and understand her in the process - afterwards. They're not trying to change her, and will usually choose women of high calibre where they know they don't have to worry about surrendering their own masculinity and maintain an air of security and not feel emasculated or challenged.

Not just that, they've embraced their feminine side and are attracted to that in a woman. They're not fighting it and they're lovng that side of them in the women they chose to love. It's all psychological. That's why the more in tune one is with themselves and embrace all parts the easier it is to love others and others will find them easier to love as well.

How you go tell someone, especially like Emerald whose in this space and coaches people on relationships/sexuality, why she wouldn't choose what she wouldn't choose. I tell you, you guys are something else. Just the mere fact that you said what you said shows you're just projecting your beliefs and your ideas about women. You don't have a clue and I'm saying this based on the fact that you're telling an experienced woman about herself without even knowing her.

Bingo. But not feminine looking, and depends on the feminine trait.

That's why That's right. There are two sides to a coin. People hate what they don't understand and people also hate what they do understand. That's why they hate it because they understand it perfectly well, and in this case, that men are about looks and that they are competing in that category. Men love beautiful women and women hate other beautiful women. Just responding to your meme here to explain why it has some validity and doesn't apply to all women and not necessarily how i view things, it's just the way it is and where some of the women disliking other women come in amongst other reasons but this is one of them. I know because I've been exposed to that.

That's not what I mean and didn't think you were referring to. Anyway, I see your point, even though I still think the second guy would blend in with the gays. Lol. Too cute. Even Justin Beiber ain't that cute looking and still has an air of manliness to him.

To me, masculine isn't just about looks but about demeanor and traits. We're just generalizing here and speaking off the top of our heads etc. I actually do like feminine men at times. Not feminine looking, but with the traits you mentioned above. I also like men who don't look overly aggressive and masculine like that ridiculous pic that funnyman @Spiritual Warfareshared of the Roc I believe is his name lol, but in their attitudes. Lots of masculine men out there don't look masculine as in muscles, height or deep voice, but they do have masculine traits and blend quite well with the feminine.

To me, it's not that he looks feminine and I don't see where, if he had a beard, it would change my opinion of him much. Feminine looking, yes, but put two masculine looking guys pic side by side, if one doesn't have a certain look about him, I'd still be able to say, and just from his looks, whether he matches certain criteria. Keep in mind, these wouldn't be Absolutes and just for conversation sake; and I wouldn't make any real-life decisions just from my opinions alone on how a guy looks.

Doesn't matter, even Emerald said the same thing. Guys will think differently, and that is ok. You're not a female and it doesn't matter the country. Put that second guy in a gay parade and he'll blend in perfectly - gay or not. Europe ain't got nothing to do with it.

I'm still explaining how a man's looks can influence a woman's attraction and decision-making. The second is obviously more physically attractive (most would agree, even myself). It's just I'm not physically nor sexually attracted to his looks. Not that I don't like good-looking men, but there are various kinds of looks out there. I'll tell you a Hollywood celebrity that I find physically and sexually attractive (just saying, I'm not drooling or anything, lol) and that is Mark Walberg. Ben Afleck, to me, still looks too soft and feminine. Mark checks off all the boxes on the "what kind of guy he seems like along with his looks" category. I can be turned on by him. Not the second guy here in the pic. Seems I'd be competing with admirers from the gay community - no disrespect to him.

You're right it's a pointless debate especially when the opposite sexes aren't really interested in asking how they see things. We're just projecting what we think is the case. To your comment here, though, the first guy is the one that looks adventurous even though the second is more attractive. Like @Emeraldsaid, and I agree, the second has more of a gay appeal and seems like he'd be in the bathroom longer than me, or wouldn't know what to do to lead the relationship. He's just cute, that's it; the other guy checked off more boxes even though he's not that attractive.

Good question. Certain things will only come out of feminine men. Certain men can only see certain things when they themselves aren't mature to see them and certain attractive looking men don't want to accept that women aren't just in for the looks. They actually get offended when women say it's not just all about the looks or chose a less attractive guy over them. That's feminine behavior.

Hollywood needs the looks. Ordinary women aren't being protected and provided for and lead by looks. They will admire from afar because that's feeding the visionary sense. When it comes down to it Hollywood men doesn't matter when it comes down to a woman's survival mechanisms and agenda. Like I said it also depends on age. All those teenie boppers screaming at those Hollywood performers are just being teenagers and are young and inexperienced. Those guys are cute and makes them feel a certain way at that stage. You won't find mature women doing that stuff. Hollywood is not real life.

I respect your opinion and you're entitled, and i love your takes on a lot of things; but I think you're missing the fact that a lot of this has to do with what stage that female is at in her life, her age, life experiences and personality. It's not about being normal, but a matter of taste and survival. Which one of those guys do you think looks like he would be able to provide and protect. Which one looks like he could tackle a bear if it came charging at us. Which one looks like he could make very difficult decisions and be more responsible if needed. Depending on a woman's survival needs the first one fits all those categories the best just from his looks. Not saying he will, but just from his looks.

Here, another female's perspective. These guys will call us liars before they try to understand the females perspective. A much older man especially if he's very attractive and has had a lot of rejections in his life would be able to understand this better. He thought his looks would get him the ladies until he had a deep awakening to the truth. Now he understand women better and that's one reason some women prefer older men. They are a little more in tune to what women like and understand them more. Let these guys keep talking while the men that understands how we think keep on raking in the doe. Shows how they really don't care about who we really are but more about what we can do for them. Generalizing here, guys so not all shoes fit.

The women in the study chose the first, both @Emeraldand I deselected the second even though we didn't really choose the first, and you guys are still sticking to your ideas of how you think women are. You could be staring at an apple in the face and insist it's an orange if that's how you perceived it at first. Even when the women on the forum are saying the same thing, in so many words, guys are still refusing to realize they know nothing about the female gender. They will tell you that you're lying just to hold on to their beliefs about women. Then you wonder why........I'll leave that to the imagination because I could insert numerous things there.

The problem is limited thinking. If no one addressed this post, and I mean absolutely no one, how do you think OP would feel. Not sure exactly, but not the same as if it's flooded with comments. Point is, it's still attention-based. Not saying he's SEEKING attention as in the sense of feeling lack, but it's still for some form of attention. A teacher teaches her students and expects their attention. So ilm speaking of attention in the broader sense. We don't see things in the not-so-obvious and like to only look at other's behaviors and tend to think we know why they do what they do. The only difference with that pic on Instagram and this post is the content; BOTH ARE SEEKING ATTENTION. I'm seeking your attention when I used the quote button in hopes that you attend to and read this comment. The difference is in the mind of OP and how he sees a scantily dressed woman VS a quote from someone on a forum. Now he projects that unto the world and make posts like these not realizing how he created the distinctions. If he realized it, this thread wouldn't exist because he would realize that he is seeking attention just like she is seeking attention; but to him there's a morality difference because one is in a bikini and one is behind a forum intellectually speaking.

Just curious as to who you'd choose based on the last sentence in my comment (if you can take a look) who would you choose in that situation. I gave my answer there in my comment. Just curious.