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What am I truly. There's an I there and what I am. "It is what..." states something different from the "you" that's truly is. In other words, you're telling me there's something else that exists that I think I am.

What is this and who is doing the abiding in? That's two separate things. Just asking for clarity.

What/who is inquiring into this " I"?

Most of the guys i've been with intimately in the past have been through social circles. Hanging out bullshitting. The rest were through clubs and one-night-drunk-stands in my younger days but weren't that many as I was rarely drunk. Hehe. Drunk for me now is heading home after work and had enough to drink. Don't do drunk dates anymore only work drinking dates.

I used to believe in this notion of gratitude, but I don't anymore. I use the word thankful. To be grateful for, imo, suggests one isn't worthy and should be grateful that something is being handed to you or that such and such is happening. Being thankful, on the other hand, is saying you are here and are thankful to be here and whatever arises, is simply what's meant to be and I'm thankful for it's existence. I will thank the sun for shining, not be grateful that the sun shines. That goes for everything else I'm thankful for.

"Helping others", is a broad topic. There can be numerous ways of helping others. See a baby drowning and going to help, lending someone money for rent, answering a question from someone in math class, helping Leo build this forum by contributing, I mean the list is endless. So it's impossible to draw a general conclusion on what helping others mean for you.

How does that equate to the topic. Are you saying to be conscious is an objective experience and therefore no such thing exist. Not sure, your response is very vague.

Who or what determines what's true. True is an adjective that describes. I have a hand, that's true. If my hand gets chopped off and i don't have that hand anymore, that's true. There was a change there so having a hand is only true in that moment. Therefore, there is no Absolute truth other than what is, regardless of circumstances and circumstances change so it cannot be Absolute. I mentioned nothing about experiencing an animal's reality. I said how they experience life is different from how we experience it because we experience the world through our senses and animals have different sense perceptions than we do. Let's see you go sniff out a murderer's clothes miles away. A dog can, that's why police use them. That's proof a dog doesn't experience the world as we do and that's just in that sense alone. Imagine the others. I don't have to know how a dog experiences the world to understand that their senses are different from ours in certain aspects; so, therefore, they must experience the world differently than us just by that example alone. States exist but the different states that are experienced are not truly perceived because those perceptions vary from state to state and can be interpreted differently according to the circumstance. A happy state can quickly turn into a sad state from the same exact experience depending on how it's being perceived, so that cannot be true. The only truth is that a state is being interpreted but that interpretation is just that, an interpretation. So states exists but their interpretations aren't true only relatively and relativity is an illusion.

Ok, agreed. Chief word here is "you". How does that go for you though. If I'm conscious of being God (just an example), how does that make you God or my cat God, and why is that absolute truth when I'm only going off of my own senses, senses that can change depending on the state I'm in. Isn't that only a perception in the moment? You've made an assumption to where I've learnt this yourself. Plus, i perceive the world differently than you do so what makes an animal, a different species with different, sense perceptions any different. States aren't true; they change and what's absolutely true doesn't change.

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How ironic how this thread is about anti-human spirituality but it turned into a human mess. @Breakingthewall is one of the few here that speaks any sense on the topic and is very respectable in his approach. Whether he's right or wrong and if we disagree or not, I find him to be a good communicator and shows a lot of passion in this field. I see him trying to not offend and is very apologetic if and when he does.

No body tries to be sad or unhappy. It's all about trying to make the self happy. What state are you in now; rest in that. That's it. Searching for happiness suggests you're sad. Trying to maintain happiness is a fool's endeavor. Sad? Ok. Happy? Ok. No difference. Only what you tell yourself. Tell yourself nothing and that's peace. Be peaceful being sad, be peaceful being happy. Chasing happiness and happiness runs. Run from sadness and sadness catches up. What's wrong with feeling sad. It doesn't last and neither does happiness.

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Yeah, I see what you mean, as in the above convo with Mr James there. I see what you mean. When I speak, I don't claim anything to be true, it's a perspective, belief, stance, idea, conceptual. Direct experience cannot be expressed in words as it's now become a story.

You apparently are unaware of what an idea is, true or not, still an idea. Is it being expressed in words - idea.

Besides the point i was making. You just tainted it by saying you're pointing out what the truth is. Now that's authoritative even though still just your idea of truth. I should have known better than to use your comment as an example.

We'd be better off leaving most beliefs behind and just look at life as it comes and in the moment. Life has a way of showing who is the boss and reminding us that it's alive and not some dead weight meat that we can just concept and ideas away with stories and belief systems. Who is the boss, as in "I appear however the fuck i appear". That's life/this.

I will share this post as an example as it was the first one i ran into. This is not a comment giving advice or showing authority over anything; it's simply @James123giving his take on his spiritual beliefs and expressing that through a comment and a response on a thread someone started. This is how a forum operates. This is what I see a lot of, not people giving advice and being authority figures. Those are different expressions.

Trying to order people around, I see. Nothing wrong with fussing on a forum respectfully about whose giving advice or not.

Are you sure they are advices, or commands and call to action. Advice comes after a certain concern or question is born not just saying what one thinks is the case. I don't see too many asking about spiritual concerns that people are advising on and showing authority over the advice over. I can guarantee I can go through this spirituality section right now and don't come across too many spiritual advices but ill see many claims and people stating their opinions on things. Advice usually follows a question asking for help with some concern or issue.

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Gosh. Why do people insist on perfection in their own way. So what if that's the case. Look at how the professionals who study their field operate. Look at society, political heroes who people vote for and look at how the experts sometimes get it wrong but you're expecting ordinary folks to be perfect forum users with no flaws whatsoever. This is what you see and perceive, doesn't mean it's the case.

I don't see people giving much advice on spiritual matters here only on matters of general interests like where to go for retreats or how much dosage on a particular drug and things like that. Lots of talk on spiritual topics and personal takes and what they feel is the case with reality and existence; but just talking about it and expressing how one feels about it, doesn't mean the person thinks they have authority on the subject and even think or know they're right in what they're saying. It's a forum for discussion and we should automatically know that no one's word is gospel and even the professionals at anything can get their expertise wrong and the officials argue amongst themselves. So, the topic of this thread is null and void as no one here has to have authority on any particular subject to speak on it. There are forum guidelines and disclaimers that automatically protects users with warnings that this is not a substitute for professional advice on delicate matters and that users should consult professionals on delicate matters as in mental illnesses and or physical illnesses and disease. I'm not sure what people expect from public forums; but to me, it's not a place to express authority or to showcase that one knows everything that they speak on to be the absolute case nor does anyone have to be certain that what they're saying is totally and absolutely void of any falsehood and doesn't need to be fact-checked since we're all expected to have authority and any advice given needs to come from you if it's reputable and known to be true. That's a lot of responsibility expected for a casual place like a public forum. No one claims authority and advice given should be used with discretion.

You go away and come back with a vengeance while the rest of us are here keep on keeping on with no worries. Why even bother come back to stir up shit and you say my post count is egoic. I forgot I even had a post count because my attention isn't on post counts here but content. What's being said and being posted, not some dead figure that started from 2020. You're just mad because there's but so much Sadhguru content you can post here before seeming like some neurotic, psychopathic, delusional idol worshipper and Sad isn't producing enough new content for you to brag about and share. Maybe share him and start idolizing Osho too to break it up a bit, maybe some moojii while you're at it. Maybe they'll enlighten you since Sad didn't do a good job at it but only raking in the doe from his worshippers.

I could have bet a million dollars you were going to comment on my post count and told me I was one of the worst. Lol. So predictable. No one here and blah blah. I could have responded on my own comment for you and saved you the time and energy. Same shit, different day. You'd also make a bad lawyer if ego gratification was an offense if you based it off of post count. You probably use that to count comments and responses but can't see beyond your limited self that post counts count for more than that. "No point in doing that", you say, but you seek enlightenment. There's no point to anything. This is a pointless, timeless, boundless, meaningless, whatever else less infinite unlimited existence/reality or whatever the hell it is. Maybe start from there and now you can relax and play because there is no point and that's freedom. You seek enlightenment - maybe first free yourself from the bondage of trying to see a point to this, expecting this to be a certain way, seeing conditions to enlightenment and stop taking this forum and it's members so seriously and lighten up a bit. You say there's no point in me saying there's no one, what's the point of your post and where is the benefit and value. None. Show me the point in this. There's none. There doesn't have to be a point for this to appear. Your ego needs for there to be a point because it seeks. It's so delicate and just about ready for annihilation but it hangs on looking for points, reasons and purposes. There's none. So go make your own points and go look for enlightenment elsewhere because this forum won't and can't give it to you because there are no points to this. Points are limitations and this isn't limited to be needing a point, only your neurotic ego and self-serving agendas.