Princess Arabia

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@HojoYou say this nothing isn't there. Then I say it is. Then you say point to it. Then I say point to me, then you say are you a room, then I say point to your room. Now you're stuck. I'm sure you see a room there, right. But can you point to it. No. So your logic about point to it just got debunked.

Ok, point to your room.

Point to me.

The nothingness is the room.

Yea, you're right. True and false perception doesn't matter, I was trying to make a distinction that it doesn't matter what he or I think in relation to commenting and responses and our perceptions of Reality in the relative sense. There is already no self it's a mental structure, like you said. Where is the mess. You already know it's a mental structure. You're not realizing it's the mental structure that's trying to get rid of the mental structure. That's what you're not getting.

You did the same thing I did, except I didn't use the word needn't be. That would be like me telling OP how to go about his life and how he should see it. My comment was suggesting ways to go about it and how I personally go about it, not telling OP he needn't do this or that and telling him in the way he described. From your comment, you're telling me I don't need to approach life the way I am approaching it, which I think is way different than suggesting ways to go about it and how I personally go about it.

@Thought ArtIf you notice my responses were my way of seeing things and not once did I suggest the other ways were wrong. I believe I still stuck to the essence of the thread and didn't veer off topic. I specifically stated I understood their pov, just to show I wasn't saying I was opposed to anything. I can only respond to how I view things and from what state of consciousness I experienced the question from. My opinion about holism is seeing things from the whole and that's equivalent to starting from the top down which is also seeing things from the whole before you chop it into pieces. So, I'm seeing it from the holistic pov its just it's holism at it's purest. I respect your constructive criticism and do understand where it's coming from, but please also take note that we are all at different levels of development on the relative scale and some of us will view things differently. I believe that as long as one is not aggressively opposing the other's way of looking at things and are also open to seeing things differently, then how that person expresses themselves, as long as it's within topic, there shouldn't be an attempt to correct or alter their response. My comment wasn't trying to alter the OP's perspectives, it was me simply expressing my own.

Nothing is there. It's exactly what allows for something to appear. Without nothing, there cannot be something. That something needs a contrast to be visible.

Nothing personal for me. I like you too. You bring a different flavor to the forum, just like everybody has their own unique flavor. I don't expect to agree with everyone and vice versa. That's the beauty of life. How boring it would be if we all agreed. Geesh, we would be pissing each other off on purpose just for the contrast. This is how I know that my perception isn't the right one and neither is yours or anyone else's, it's only true for us. If it were Universally true, everyone would perceive it the same way. That's the definition of Absolute Truth of which we are all expressions of. Understanding this allows for true Spiritual growth and understanding and for the recognition of what's actually true or is the case which is nowhere visible in what's appearing.

I understand your point of view. I like to work from the top down. I'm a simple kind of gal. We choose how we want life to go. I choose the simple way. Not saying it's not tough or hard, it's just it's in a more smoother tough and hard way. You can either use your fingernails to chop the wood or use a saw, I'll use the saw. In this case, i'm the wood that's already chopped while reversing the motions through the experience of watching the saw do the work. If that makes sense to you.

Coming from a schizo it's not harsh. I didn't even take it harshly. Coming from a sane person, now that's a different story. @Schizophonia

The problem is thinking it's a problem to begin with. No amount of solving a problem will solve the problem of problems. Notice after one gets solved another arises, even within that same "fixed" problem - another arises out of that. You get healthy, now you need to maintain that, you find a gf, now you have gf problems, you get a job, now you have work related problems, you buy a car, now you have car problems, you get plenty of sex, now you have sex problems, you solve being lonely, now you have people problems. The thing is to not see problems. Life is life and things are happening. You only need to fix that chair or that broken table. Life is happening in succession; one thing after the next, after the next, after the next. Respond accordingly and see the world as one big happening. The very notion that there are problems and that there's something to fix is what's creating the problem. Note: I'm not saying there aren't challenges. All i'm saying is calling them problems is a cycle that will never end and one solved only creates new ones within the circle. Just see life as something to live not problems to be solved. There-in lies internal peace.

Awesome, huh. See, you're choosing what you want to agree with and what not to. You're the trickster of the Universe. That's why you put that clown emojii just now. The signs are everywhere, you trickster you. I won't start that shit today, though. Enough already, hehe.

That's what you think. That's why suffering occurs. That's why confusion arises. That's why we feel like victims. It's the exact same reason why it's possible to construct a world. It appears that way but in actuality, there's no Reality apart from you. Show me where the separation is where there's a you and there's a reality and where there's a you in reality. There's none. It's the mind that makes the distinction and it's got you by the balls, like I said.

Hehe. You're right about that. We balance out the normal so now we're perfect. So there😛

Guys will say all the time, you're a female so you can't understand and blah blah. I don't know the physicality part and what it's like to have a penis or hair on the chest and a mustache, etc; but what they're failing to see is that I'm on the receiving end of the emotions and the mental stuff and as a very observant person by nature, I notice things. I know the importance of observation in respect to how I respond and also when I'm feeling things and why. It's called being curios about life.

We try, but it hits us right back in the face. Mother Nature can't be messed with.

Yes.

You're right, the masculine looks to give love and the feminine to receive. Both are actually giving and receiving simultaneously when this happens and the dynamic is more in harmony. If you notice how the "normal" sex act occurs. The man gives and the feminine receives. Today's men are so lacking in self-love that they're looking for it outside and in women. Women are having problems receiving, too so the whole thing is off balance and the Universe has to balance itself in others ways; ways that we have no clue about and thinking that those problems were caused on their own, when it's just polarity at play and the natural balance reconstructing itself.

You are me 😜😜The synchronicities have gotten more prevalent and frequent, that's for sure.

Reality has got you by the balls. YOU ARE REALITY........and there is no other. Don't get me started.

You would make a terrible judge or prosecutor if that's what you're going by. To be a good representative of the legal system, you would have to be able to differentiate how those posts were made, what constituted for each post, the nature of those posts, the differences those posters had in relation to their relations with the substratum or root cause of such posts. All that's involved in determining the guilt or innocence of the defendant. Do you realize that posting a pic or video counts as one post. I have about 5mega threads going that requires Pic and videos and commentary that has nothing to do with blah blah comments. Not to mention I'm about to start a journal. So don't be surprised if I outnumber Leo's post count soon. I might also add another sequel to the infamous Powerful section. Maybe while I'm at it, I'll throw in a Mega Thread for Sadghuru's content to allow for you to catch up to my post count because I know you'll live over there and probably miss some work hrs and get laid off from work, so no I won't for your sake. Hehe hehe hehehe. Lololol. Love you!!!

Ok. I get where the mindset is. That's perfectly fine. We're all perceiving things differently. I really respect the fact that you're not just listening to things and just agreeing like a monkey. As long as we keep our differences respectful and without judging others for theirs, we're on the right track. That's all that counts. Yesterday, I was joking around a lot, but you can tell when I'm being serious and when I'm being a bit cynical. Actually, it's when it doesn't sound logical and beautiful is when I tend to pay more attention. You've mislabeled my way of seeing the world incorrectly; and just that alone tells me you're just generalizing and seeing me through the eyes of how you see everyone else and how they see the world. You didn't cater that saying towards me as an individual and what you know about me personally, you just said that thinking that's how you think i see things - the part about logical and beautiful is what i'm referring to here. I'm aware the Universe is illogical and is actually chaotic by nature, so I don't look for things that sounds logical in this respect. For me the mire illogical and chaotic it sounds the closer to the truth it is. I already know there's no truth anyway but what the subconscious accepts as true and it's all relative. The only truth there is on the Absolute level is just that, The All There Is.

You're assuming there's someone here deciding to post. What I've said is in complete alignment with me still on here posting. You've misunderstood the message and that's ok. I keep explaining it and you keep missing it, precisely because of that energetic structure that's holding your body. I never said I've experienced no doing. That makes no sense. How can anyone experience no doing. Thats an oxymoron, like you say. You're expecting that if I say there's no one, then there's someone to decide not to do or to do. You're the one going off of what's being said. If I were to decide not to post because there's no one, then, dah, isn't that someone. Total misunderstanding of what's been said. You expect the noone to know its no one and then decide to be a someone. Hehe. No one cannot just turn into someone if it was a no one to begin with.