Princess Arabia

I've never been in a physical state unless it was mental before hand. I have pain in my hand because my sense of touch or whatever sense I used to feel the pain. I'm not saying there's nothing appearing out there, it's only appearing. That pain is being felt on the outside of your body. Take the pain and carry it to the doctor and leave your hand behind. Can't be done, therefore the pain is mental. You see that tree with your eyes, sense of sight, walk away and there's no tree to use that mental sense of sight to see. It's all mental. Saying I can't see the tree but I know it's there is still using memory or some sort of mental capacity, in this case it's thought, still mental.

You are missing the point of what a mental universe means. Cannot neglect anything you know physically. Where's the neglect. Not neglect in the sense of ignoring, neglect in the sense of not knowing it's there. How do you know it's there, by using your senses, can you grab a hold of your senses physically, no you experience them on the mental plane. You cannot know something physically unless you use a mental sense perception.

Perfect example: You know the experience of seeing that question. You could never responded like you did if you didn't know that you experienced him asking you that question. No matter what the response said. You still know you experienced the question being asked. Not saying you know the answer, but just the experience of the question. Alright that's enough.😅

This is not a Self-Inquiry class. 😅😅It's an experience class.🤣

And you're experiencing that you know you don't understand.🤣🤣

No doesn't matter if you've heard about it before. You know it now regardless if you've ever heard of it before. You might not know what it is exactly, but that's not what I'm saying. Say you experience tyjnft (that's not a typo, btw) what is that, if you say you don't know then you didn't experience it. If you say well I did experience it, well you just don't know the name of what you experienced but you still know it.

You cannot even know something you do not know. Everything known is known. If you want to know what something is like that's a different thing from experiencing it. Cannot experience it unless you now know it. Maybe that's a better way of saying it.

You will still know space. You will know about space before hand and not know it; but in order to EXPERIENCE it is known then. Get it.

I go to Spain for the first time in an airplane in a blue dress and got off the plane and took a taxi to the hotel room. WHAT PART OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL THINGS ARENT KNOWN. If you say the whole entire experience.....well you know a plane a dress a taxi and what a hotel room is even after experiencing it for the first time. Cannot experience anything not known.

How do you know you're having a new experience. It's because you know its new. To know it's new, you would have to have something known to compare it to. Cannot experience the unknown. Thats why we don't experience death or sleep.

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Quite interesting. Only thing is we cannot experience something we do not know. Go and investigate that.

What you are saying here is equivalent to saying the baby doesn't yet realize itself as a person until the shift (getting older) occurs for the self-recognition. Still a person, right. Well, still awakened. The shift did not awaken you. Or you could say, the shift awakened you to realize you were already awake. The baby realized what it already was.

Then how are you comparing 5meo to your natural state and saying that's how you know you're not awake if it's not known. What's not known. Not sure if i'm quite understanding you.

That's all that's happening. Misunderstandings.

Yes, exactly. You have something to compare it to. What are you comparing that state of 5meo to. Something already known.

Yes, the seed is only a seed BUT ONLY IN APPEARANCE. You are not awakened but only in appearance. The point of my post is to say you are already that rose ready to be bloomed. Watered and cared for. You cannot turn a rose seed into an orange seed. The only reason you have the capacity to awaken is if you were already that. Nothing said about actualizing that awareness. This world is an after thought. It is already done. You are already awake you're just catching up to it. That's the point. Nothing you do will awaken you only actualize it and give you the recognition. How is somebody going to know or not know they're awaken if they don't already know what that is. In order to know what that is you have to be it and you cannot become something you're not already.

Just to note, I never mentioned anything about non-duality. You keep using that word. This is not about non-duality in my book, even if it actually applies, I'm not trying to come from a place of non-duality, please understand that. It's still intertwined and so is everything else, but I don't want to make that the essence of the post. Neither did I mention the word limited.

Ok. I understand that. I distinctly stressed in my post that it wasn't about the actual words itself and what they represent but how it's impossible to become something that you're not already. That's the whole essence of the post. What you're saying here is on point and I do agree.

All of this doesn't matter. Your perception of yourself is irrelevant to what you actually are in the inherent sense. That only determines how you respond to stimuli and the way you see yourself and the world.

Like I said in my post, AND I WILL REPEAT, my post is not about what these things actually are, it is to show you how it is already inherent within you.

A seed is whatever it is already trying to become. Meaning within that seed, the whole tree is already there. You cannot jump if the jump isn't already inside of you. You are jumping because you have two legs, motion receptors (or whatever you call it), the brain's capabilities and whatever else is required for the configuration for that jump to take place. One is not jumping out of thin air. It's a process that takes place for that jump to take form and all that's required for those processes is already inside of you.

A policeman is acting out a role. It's an occupation one chooses. It's not an inherent thing. We choose our occupation. We don't choose what we inherently are. A tree cannot become a house because it is inherently a tree. A policeman can become a sailor or a judge.

Awareness is Awakeness. Can't get anymore awake than to be aware. All that you're all trying to accomplish is being observed by what is already awake. Which is you and who you truly are. How can who you truly are become more than who you truly are. Yes, there are different degrees of awareness and being awake, but awareness is never not aware and never not awake. The one who is trying to become awake is nothing but a thought and an idea and a concept.