Princess Arabia

It' not a well-balanced conversation and exchange of opinions and ideas if one is going to tell the other why they feel the way they do without insinuating its just a hunch or a feeling. Saying this with such precision that I'm saying what I'm saying only because it benefits me, is imo,.an attempt to influence the conversation in your favor while attempting to tarnish my viewpoint and putting your reasons behind why you may think I take such a stance. It isn't up to you to decipher why it is I feel the way I do but to either see my point for what it is or just disagree and state your opposing points as to why, which is exactly what I did with OP.

You're only asking me to do this simply because I'm a female in opposition to your remarks. Only reason. Only because I'm a female and for no other reason. It's your only means of control at the moment.

Getting angry at and simply stating an opposition are totally different things. Also, I don't see the similarities between the two.

I'm sorry, but unless you can show me where I'm either trolling, being disrespectful, commenting off-topic or being totally unreasonable, you don't have any right asking me to leave a thread just because you have a difference of opinion, especially if I'm not continuously defaming anyone and being respectful in my conversations. This forum doesn't cater to thread starters as owning a thread they can just ask people to exit from simply because they are in opposition to member's opinions.

@something_elseThanks for highlighting my remarks once again. I stick by my words and the point I'm trying to get across..Maybe if you try to see them with an open mind, not through the lens of what you think I'm trying to say, maybe thinking or believing there's malice behind my viewpoints, you might see my points in a different light whether you agree or disagree. One can still disagree with what I'm saying while still understanding where the mindset of such viewpoints originate without thinking they stem from manipulation and control which.is not where my head's at. It stems from what I truly believe to be how healthy relationships are formed and how both.partners can truly express fully the love they both feel for each other and how the masculine/feminine dynamic flourishes. .

Why not when she's married because a man is supposed to take care of his family. Provisions are supposed to be in place for a woman to feel safe and protected in the marriage, yes. It's a man's obligation. That's what men do. That's who they are. They are providers and protectors by nature if they're not rebelling against society and women, or are ignorant to this like you are..it's not about being his job. Does a mother raise her kids with love and kindness because it's her job. No it's instinctual. It's also instinctial for men to protect their territories. He's doing it as protection and not as a job. To make her and his family feel safe and protected. No one said if needs be, and situation arises that other provisions can't be made or things can't be temporarily put in place, and FYI I'm speaking about marriages or at least long-term live-in relationships.

Replace the words post and posting for the words live and living in your heading and post and answer that question.

Funny, he's my celebrity crush. Hehe. I wonder if he'd make me pay the electric bill. Lol

You have put words into my mouth and have totally massacred my stance on this by your own interpretation of what I said. I never used the word despicable and I never said the man pays for everything, nor did I say a woman should never do chores. Also, yes a woman can work and pay her own bills when she lives by herself and is unmarried or is in a roommate situation.

Let's get married. Kidding, but you have explained this perfectly. "When you lay the expectation that a woman should do certain things for you because you do certain things for her, this creates a relationship based on transactionality", is the whole point of this. You explained this how I see it and as if you are viewing the situation from the same lens and perception I am viewing it from.

Triggered is a bit overly harsh. Maybe it sounded that way, but I wasn't triggered. Maybe I was, dunno. I have to check myself on that. Different cultures see things differently and also different mindsets.

Pretty funny. Customer Service Upgrade...haha. I couldn't stop laughing. On point.

Fine. No one is arguing with you about your choices. I don't see a rule book. FYI I won't be sitting on my ass, BTW. Thats not the set up. The set up is I take care of the household while he pays the bills. I either do the chores myself or pay someone to do it but it's not a rule that I the wife must do them. If I get pregnant, bills are still getting paid, if I get sick, bills are still getting paid. If something goes wrong with him God forbid then I take over and bills still get paid from either my savings or his or wherever. Both sides win. See. It's not that complicated.

Cooking and cleaning for your kids isn't, it's a responsibility; for a grown man it is. He can cook his own shit and clean his own shit or hire a maid. Now, if she chooses, then it's ok, all im saying it's not a prerequisite for marriage. Personally, I would cook.for my husband so I'm not saying otherwise but I'm not doing it because it's expected but because I want to. If a man doesn't want to pay the bills that's fine. Get to stepping. It's all a matter of freedom of choices here. No one is forcing anyone. I'm not talking about casual relationships here but serious ones with futures.

Cooking and cleaning are chores, bill paying is not. I am not living with a man under roommate conditions. I cook or clean if I choose, the bills aren't optional. For you it might be "can't have your cake and eat it", for plenty of men, they are happy to have you as a wife without you needing to do their chores and still keep you safe and protected as a woman by taking care of the household. Society has conditioned us into believing a lot of crap. A woman isn't supposed to be a maid to a man, but a man is supposed to provide for and protect his FAMILY. She cooks and cleans if she chooses, bills aren't an option. I'm speaking of marriages or live-ins here.

Like I said. Boys won't understand this. Men will. I'm out.

Gosh! You have the same arguments everytime.

Yes, I'm entitled to not be used and tread upon like a piece of meat and used as some man's gas station like you suggested earlier. I would be embarrassed as a man to say I only see women as sex objects.

I don't expect guys in their 20's to get me so ill just have to understand that. It's a total different world. Go sow your oats a bit until reality kicks in when she starts to look at you differently and you realize your masculine power and how to utilize it.

@HojoLiving with a man and expecting him to pay the bills is not using him as an ATM. Im so tired of explaining things to you in this field. You'll get it in a few years....or not.

Out making money to pay the bills.

I never mentioned anything about love, but it certainly ain't for slaving either.

Only on a forum filled with testosterone and the women aren't allowed to speak up. Switch the gender with half the shit said here in this section and the responses will.be like what you just gave. Imagine women saying all they want is money from men and men ain't worth shit their time like what @Hojoboy said earlier about women. Or I look at men as ATM machines like Mr Manuel bon says how he see women as objects and Mr Aion says, he plays women for sex and pays for their meals until he gets into their pants. If I said I play men for their money until I get it then treat them like shit, I'd be ostracized and told I'm a whore or whatever. I see how you guys can get away with saying pretty much anything you want to about women and us ladies have to WATCH OUT. I'm getting sick and tired of this forum's misogyny and hatred of women talk and as soon as I open my mouth I better watch out or tone it down or don't answer too much. One response is enough. Gtfoutta here.

Like I said, who let the boys out. Thank God real men are out enjoying women and having a blast in their company. They can't even get enough, from what I've heard. I'm out. Can't let the energy vampires drain my feminine energy today.

Ok. Depends on where you're from. Doesn't matter if it's his 4th wife. That wasn't the point. He's still not looking for women to serve him. Most men aren't who can serve themselves or hire someone to. I'm not referring to sexually here. I'm just going to leave this section alone and just wait for the ass whooping by Someone here, when he sees my comments. Who let the boys out.