Lyubov

Well clearly it’s not easy if like half of men are reporting not having sex in the last year. You just said it yourself that you consider yourself pretty decent. I’m talking broadly speaking accounting for every guy and every foundation. Most guys can’t pull and it is difficult for most guys. If you’re not established in a decent city then chances are you ain’t getting any action of course. You basically said “I’m pretty well off so it’s easy lol.” Nah dude most guys today are awful with women an a growing percentage don’t even go outside or talk to them. The guys getting no play of course or black pilling it or taking it to extremes like I said.

Always something with these scientists... every ten years they change something on this shit...

I never did well with a direct approach either, because it's largely robotic and forced. I'm too conscious for that, I can't pretend to be someone else or do something out of alignment with my energy. Everyone is so different, coming from different backgrounds and have various unresolved issues and quirks. There are decent guys teaching this topic but they don't go viral like streamers or influencers who do this stuff. Most PUA products are really expensive too. It's largely a parasitic and exploitative snake oil product. Self help has a shadow side to it with lots of scams and marketing that hypes desperate guys up who want women to validate themselves. I would say transcending PUA and learning to date without it is perhaps the best thing you can do for yourself. You may even still take some lessons from a guy like Owen but it's risky, I'd say given the nature of this site most guys here can discern but just a rando looking for videos on YouTube is the target for being sucked into the marketing funnel and scammed.

The only certainty we get in life is god. Align with this truth, grieve the change, and allow for a new chapter to begin

The truth is relationships and women you want are not a guarantee in life and you aren’t entitled one bit to them. I think the narrative is really off about the whole male loneliness epidemic. Maybe most of these guys don’t have women because they offer nothing in return in a relationship? I think men need to step into their value as being fine as who they are. This PUA and looksmaxxing stuff is largely a distraction from that.

Looksmaxxing is the logical outcome for western incels from a generation that socializes mostly online. Everything has gone hyper x or y because you have to operate from extremes and be functioning at a crazy high percentile to sleep with pretty women in the USA. There is massive hoeflation so now every guy rightfully sees that you have to maximize everything to get results. Tate was about money and now you have streamers about looks. Obviously there is a sustainable balance but it likely means living by that means a trade off in other areas you’ve been priced out of.

There’s some nuance here. I want to try to communicate this as clearly and as simply as possible so everyone can understand me the best. I’m not saying there is anything wrong at wanting to improve at something or to practice and get better at something and get certain needs or desires met. What I’m saying is the intention and reasoning behind it for most men is usually coming from a place of lack or a falsehood about lacking value. “If I suck at getting women, I’m not a real man.” This reasoning which leads most men to PUA is the Achilles heel, it has an unknown long term cost on your soul. Practicing in alignment with this reasoning in extreme cases will make you into a John Anthony. I’m not saying wanting to practice social skills and flirting and romance and getting sex with women is bad or wrong to pursue. I’m saying most men launch their rocket on a faulty foundation in pursuit for it and that’s largely what the manifestation of PUA is. There is few material on this subject that isn’t tainted by PUA corruption. I would say the most truthful way of doing it is usually forging your own path where you pull together a lot of your own material and learn from different teachers but it’s risky. For every one guy who can safely pull the useful stuff from Owen there are another three who will get scammed or corrupted.

This is why I keep saying that PUA is ultimately a loser’s game. What do I mean by that? What I mean by that is that almost every guy including me who got into PUA made the choice to do so because of faulty reasoning, usually around lack, needing to fix some issue about being introverted, etc. Very few if any guy has ever took up PUA aligned with truth. Because of this there is always this faulty crack in the foundation of it which will culminate in some problematic manifestation of it. The closest I believe one can sustainably get to being a natural is dropping PUA entirely and then working on becoming an extroverted introvert. Looking for ways to make socializing fun and actually drawing some value from it. That will open up far more doors long term and sustainably than doing any PUA (which is a massive waste of time for most men). Guys who are naturally very extroverted and decent looking absolutely do have the most sustainable lifestyles when it comes to women but I do believe it’s possible to engineer this yourself as an introvert in a way that serves you well BUT you will have to change your mindset and come to terms on a new way of seeing relating.

I think one thing you got to be careful about and in writing this from my own experience: that as you awaken and become authentic and aligned with spirit that you don’t use that as an excuse or reason to avoid socializing if what you want is to socialize. What I mean by that is if you learn about yourself you don’t really want friends then that’s fine. If you learn you do want friends but then use spirituality to avoid it, this is a contradiction. Purity tests are a sneaky way to try and avoid responsibility for having to socialize. I’ve learned that you can see anyone and everyone as a friend when you go out and even people who at every different. You become very responsible and engaged with the world but there exists a space between all that you ground yourself in so that he worldly issues that come with socializing work themselves out in harmony. I actually like meeting people very different from me. I think as long as you can maintain your values around other people you can relate to just about anyone. Life has a clever way about bringing the right people into your life at the right moment. Trust the flow.

Lonely? Not at all. I’m married and have a few really close friends. I wouldn’t say I’m lonely at all. I get enough social interaction and it’s valuable to me. I don’t have the need to meet lots and lots of people, generally I only need a few in my life. I do grieve that I’m not so close to my parents / family and I didn’t have the ideal childhood that resulted in close relationships with my immediate blood family. I see them once every other year and talk on the phone once a month. I think that’s different though. That is something I grieve sometimes and am accepting.

It can be, because you become more authentic and realize you won’t tolerate games as much which is what a lot of relating is based on. But it’s still possible to socialize and have fun, usually with some distance and less commitment to more superficial relationships.

Of course. I didn’t get a fraction of the sex I could have simply because I realized what a shit life pick up generally is. It’s boring and unsustainable for most men, most guys hype up their results and it’s largely a waste of time. You can do the pick up grind and some guys are extroverted and able to churn out some results for themselves but this isn’t really a good life if you are a spiritual person.

Some of you overestimate the challenges of getting laid. It's only really hard if your foundation is shit and you are sorta autistic and introverted. If you have the wherewithal to go out, get drunk and are extroverted and a little rapey, you can pull horny drunk girls occasionally. Simply being extroverted goes A LONG way with getting laid.

Owen is the only one here worth learning anything from and even him you have to be careful. I do not recommend this “learn form everyone approach.” The line between life changing mistake and reasonable life choice is thinner than you think. It’s crazy to think that there’s guys sending these guys money. They are like parasite, similar to Onlyfans models. And of course there are stupid simps that send them cash and keep them afloat.

Reading Facebook comments on this topic is wild. Holy crap the USA is cooked….

How do you earn money?

Sure do it but don’t let meditation and spirituality become a thing which you use to avoid responsibility and living your life. 20 minutes a day is plenty if you have other responsibilities.

I honestly don’t buy this tech utopia stuff. This is one of their biggest selling points for CEOs to pillage clean water and enrich themselves. “Just give us time, we will sail off into a tech utopia, manifest destiny!” What eveyone has to realize is little fundamentally changes as long as collectively people are unaligned with spirit. No amount of technological progress will change that.

Dude you have got to be more responsible. This is your problem… stop this victim mindset… you are HOMELESS bro. You gotta stop these games and blame and get a job.

Not exactly, I believe political scientists would classify this differently. He’s not a dictator in the sense that he’s now like Putin or Saddam. The USA gov structure was built largely to prevent against this and all things considered it’s still holding up pretty damn well. What we have is this sort of hybrid regime where an authoritarian leader and a bunch of oligarch interests can make a lot of calls and have little accountability, but there exists elections, a free press, large portions of the population still protest, there’s an opposition. We are sort of becoming something similar to Brazil by comparison but still very different. A decayed democracy with authoritarian elements and a pendulum between liberal democracy and a weak yet destructive authoritarian regime. This is not a true dictatorship.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/i-was-able-to-fight-for-myself-woman-comes-forward-after-dating-coach-charged-with-sexual-assault/ Another one catching charges. PUA model has some serious shortcomings to it.

The more bro posts the more apparent it becomes that he's homeless far more because of his mindset, choices and mental situation than because of an addiction or serious derangement. I've seen homeless people that have essentially reverted back to a primitive animal like state, where they have maybe 5 years left before they die, they turned into zombies, covered in blood, wounds, deranged, probably beyond help and are just waiting to pass, looking in their eyes is terrifying. You are not that bro. It's been a year dude. You've been given some decent advice here. Go to a shelter or NGO and ask for help, The first months out of the hole will be a grind but they soon will pass and you will look back and be glad you climbed out. I assume you are begging for cash or doing some ridiculous hustle on the street. I would not give a single euro to you if I saw you on the street. You are able to work. You need to get a job at a restaurant, construction sight or hauling junk. You clearly have the body for it and any stress on it will heal and won't have long term damage if it's just for a year while you get yourself out of this situation.

He has a very reasonable take. I cannot say I recommend them nor that they are "better" than whatever nor that you can't learn some things from them and have some life changing experiences either. They are NOT for me. I've come to realize I simply do not enjoy nor get a lot of benefit from abrupt psychedelic type state changes. There's other things I've found that awaken love in me far more than shrooms and ayahuasca.

You talk about how selfless you are... You point out how other people are somehow a problem, how you're in the right here. Dude you need to take a very LONG look in the mirror. You do not sound dumb nor like you lack an able body to do something to get out of this situation. You have 200 euros, how are you spending that in a few days? This sounds solely like you are in a spiral downward through negative beliefs and self sabotage. Poverty is not your problem, it is likely some unresolved issues around your self worth and childish victim mindset you use to cope. I'm going to tell it to you straight because I think some people may be hesitant to offend you given your position. You're clearly smart and more than capable of sustaining a reasonable degree of survival, more than what you're doing now. But you are acting like a victim. You are in this situation because of your choices and while I'm sure there are people that have treated you poorly and made promises thy broke, you are putting far too much energy into complaining and blaming your problems on them. You need to get off your high horse and go get a job. Stop letting your stubborn inner child run the show. Love them and start making the right choices for your life as an adult. No one is coming to save you. I don't give a damn if your sissy little lungs don't feel great from a bit of cig smoke. You're a strong guy and your body is far more adaptive and able to heal itself, you're lowering your life expectancy through self sabotage way more than 6-12 months of second hand smoke in a shitty job to save up enough to get out of an abandoned slum.

You talk about integrity, but ask yourself, are you being honest with yourself? You can’t find a job at a restaurant or something to just save up enough for a hostel or room? You can’t work in a restaurant as a dishwasher and save some money up? I remember when you made your thread about how you’re homeless and to be honest I think this is much more of a mental / belief problem than a money one if you are still being picky about work… My friend YOU LIVE IN AN ABANDONED SHACK. Go to the center of Athens and start asking restaurants if you can clean… You can save up money and get into at least a hostel or shelter or room.