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@kagaria the world that doesn't even exist lol ❤️

LOL don't scare me more I'm trying to forget this idea and get rid of it outta my mind. ?

Isn't that mind boggling to an infinite degree that consciousness fucking exists at all?

Solipsism! Oh boy that's a huge one for me lol. This idea started haunting me since I was a child.. I always had this feeling from my early childhood.. That I am actually the only "real" one out there and everyone else are just characters in my dream. Zombies.."cardboard cutouts" in my world. However you wanna call it or think of it. Obviously other people exist as objects of perception in my direct experience.. That's undeniable.. I go out.. I see people everywhere. But are these things" subjects"? Do they have internal self-awareness as I do? Is there someone behind their eyes? It there anybody out there other than me?. The solipsism philosophy doesn't say yes or no to that question contrary to what most people mistakenly misunderstood it.. Solipsism states that one's own mind or subjective experience of the world is the only "certain" thing to exist.. And the existence of other individual minds is "impossible to verify". In other words you are absolutely certain that you are aware right now.. But it's impossible to be certain that I'm (someone here) aware.. In fact why I'm talking to "you"? .. I should say I am aware and "you" are the unsettled mystery. The problem with solipsism is not whether it's objectivey true or not(is it actually the case that I am the only one out there)..but is that it is absolutely true subjectively regardless of that. You are trapped inside your own subjective experience in any case.. So even though I am aware right now from my pov.. From your pov that doesn't matter and there is no such thing.. There is only your awareness.. There is no such thing as "my awareness" in your awareness.. There is only these words in front of you right now and that's the actualilty of what is.. Anything else is just assumptions you add on top of it.."ofcourse there is someone there writing these words.. They couldn't just write themselves lol".. Really?. In your dream.. The entire dream and all the people inside of it..and their actions.. Are nothing but your creation.. They have no Reality of their own outside your imagination.. The only real thing in the dream underneath all the scattered phenomenon is YOU.

❤️@Nahm

This is it. What else would it be lol?

@kireet it's because knowing is an illusion.. A second order phenomenon at best. Being is what is fundamental. Pure being or pure actuality is all that there is. Yet your mind ofcourse is trying to dissect being into subcategories.. One of which is "knowing". But what is knowing made out of other than being itself? So in reality there is no knowing and you never knew anything.. All the time it was just being dressing up like knowing. Knowing is useful in the relative domain nevertheless.. But if you seek to unravel the whole you can't know it.. You can just be it.

Same thing. That's what I said in the previous post. Everyone is judging it from their limited narrow POV.. But to them there is nothing but their POV because they are too selfish.. So even tho it might be true that reality is perfect and inevitable objectively it certainly doesn't feel like it to an individual.. And the proplem is the individual's problem not the objective's problem. The objective (which is God /reality itself) has no problem. Only the ego which thinks its separate from that does.

Well that means that reality is definitely not perfect - loving /goodness from the perspective of an individual ego who are convinced that they are separate from the whole. That's why lots of people deny this "love “notion. And that's one of the most common arguments that people have against God.. They say if" God is love" all good.. All powerful.. All wise.. Infinitely intelligent.. Why didn't he design a perfect reality (for me not for the maximization of love for the whole)?? The world does have some shitty aspect.. It's not all roses and butterflies.. Therfore they conclude. Either there is no God altogether.. Or that God is just an asshole and is far away from those characteristics above.

Yeah let's just say.. It's not really there but let's just pretend that that's the case.. It's just a hypothetical experiment nothing too serious because suffering can't be real because it just can't be.. There is suffering and you have experienced it.. Are experiencing it.. And will experience it in your life. Case closed.

Hahaha Now I'm craving that thing lol

@Natasha your awakening is not complete then jk lol

@Nahm LOL

Why do you think this identification is there? And is it possible to "completely" stop identifying with it and remain functional in the relative world? Who is controlling that? Isn't the identification itself an another appearance arising with no one in charge of it?

So give me a break with the "everything is love" thing.

@Nahm as expected.. Everything is just thoughts that one should let go off. . . Your entire post is nothing but a bunch of thoughts as well if you haven't noticed. No offense lol... But we seem to live in a totally different reality.. I get where you're coming from but I don't see anything of usefulness coming out of your approach.. Maybe if someone wants to die or kill their sense of reality they should go to you.. But not if they want to get rid of suffering.. Unless if you equate the two.. But I don't think so..since again you are still alive and functional.. So you don't walk your own talk. Side note : Also what makes it hard to respond to you is the overuse of "" and stressing on words.. Maybe you think that makes your message clearer but it only make it more confusing.

Makes no difference. Suffering comes in different tastes.. Physical. Emotional etc. Some people may have more tolerance to this kind of suffering more than the other or vice versa.. In any case it is still suffering and everyone experiences it and will continue to experience it in one way or another as long as they are in this world that we share no matter how enlightened you think you are and no matter how convinced you are that "it's all love". Honesty I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Except what you are asking for is literally impossible.. I wonder how your body is still alive.. Eats and sleeps and types if you have no thoughts 24/7? It can work out temporarily during deep meditation sessions but not as a permanent thing. Also why should I not respond with thoughts? What's so wrong about thoughts when they are almost 90% of the existential perception? Do you think it is even possible to stop thoughts forever? From my observations thoughts cannot be stopped because there is no thinker of thoughts.. They just arise at auto pilot. And if one manages to actually stop thinking permanently he will be no longer functional and will either die or end up in insane asylum. Ofcourse these are all just thoughts so all you have to do is to just dismiss them as mere thoughts as if that has anything to do with the shitty filled with suffering reality that we all are experiencing.

@Nahm suffering is real. 100%. 200%. Absolutely. Totally. Completely. Pain that is. Very unpleasant sensations. Makes some people go nuts. Fall into depression. Commit suicide. You probably had plenty of it throughout your life and still experiencing glimpses of it it here and there throughout your day. I'm not talking about philosophical spiritual abstract suffering.. That is not "real" suffering.. Real suffering is physical material objective in this area or that..

The second you open your mouth you are already wrong.

Well.. You see exactly what you are seeing right now! . And it is indeed nameless unless you wish to give it some name. It is not a cop-out..labeling stuff is what is in fact a cop-out.. Do you think an apple has some inherent name other than whatever name you attach to it?? P.S I would rather not to derail this thread lol.

The name that can be named is not the eternal name.

LOL.

If "the map is not the territory" and "the tao that can named is not the eternal tao".. Then why cling to the label "love"? You say "love is not just a word or a a concept.. It's the very substance and of reality". I mean when you look at the world you don't see the label "love" in the ingredients table at the back of the product lol. After all it's indeed a human word that we project onto the world. You say "formlessness is love" "infinity Is love".. But who is saying that? It is YOU.. The formless itself doesn't speak. You say "ofcourse it does.. Here it is speaking through me". Yes and here it is speaking through me as well denying love!!!

Proof of god. Was having a discussion with a friend when he asked me : Fr: do you think god exists? Me : ofcourse. Fr: what is your proof? Me :existence! Fr: how so? Existence could be a product of chance or maybe there is multiple universes or maybe we are inside a simulation... Why does it have to be God? Me: existence is a proof of existence. God is existence actual existence. Fr: I don't understand.. Which god are you talking about? Me :there can only be one God because there can only be one infinity. Fr: that's true but which God is the real one? The Christian God or the hindu God etc? Me : none of them. Fr : how so? Which one is it then? Have you seen him? Me : ofcourse no. No one can and no one will. How can you see something that has no beginning and no end? Fr: hmm.. But then .. What makes you sure that God exists? ..isn't it better to be agnostic? .. Maybe there is no God after all.. Me : lol. There is no way. If you are fully aware of this present moment you will know it's impossible that God doesn't exist. Fr: what does that have to do with God? Me: because God is not separated from creation.. God's fingerprints are present in every moment of creation. If you can see it you can see him. Fr: you just said that you can't see him.. Me :yes because God is infinite.. There is no place for both YOU and HIM to be .. He take all the place.. If he is to be present.. You have to leave first. Fr: leave? Me : to die basically. To disappear. That's the only way to see God directly and to know for certain that he is real. That he is the reality itself. Fr: so are you saying that God is existence.? Like the pantheism of eastern religions? Or is God a separate being who created the world and is no longer in contact with it? Me : the infinite can't be separated from anything. Yet at the same time it is always free and not limited to only include a certain finite worlds. So God is precisely this present moment that you are experiencing right now and yet he is none of that stuff and completely beyond it and beyond anything you can even imagine!, Fr: that's weird lol Me : exactly. God is a weird motherfucker. Why do you think humans struggle so much with understanding God? In fact he cannot be understood. That's what makes God God. You can understand anything except God. Investigate reality as deep as you can.. And once you hit a point where your mind collapses and your logic give up.. You've reached God.. You've reached to nowhere and everywhere.