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Don't ask me what you are because I don't even know what I am (specifically).

Let's say I started to believe that I'm my coffee table.. I'm not this body-mind but rather I'm that coffee table. Will I actually become the coffee table..? If someone comes tomorrow and just destroys the coffee table into pieces I won't feel that "I" am being destroyed.

I'm not starting from the assumption that life is a dream and looking to verify it preconceived idea. I'm starting from the assumptions : 1- I don't know whether life is a dream or not. 2 - life can't be distinguished from dreams phenomenologically (I can't be sure whether I'm dreaming right now or not) 3- life might be a dream but I don't have conclusive evidence for that. A psychedelic trip or psychological hallucinations or dreams themselves (night-time dream) are not conclusive evidence that life as a whole is itself a Dream or a hallucination.

Have a nice day everyone. I'm heading to bed.

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Can I know why please? I really am curious about finding answers to that question. I don't think I'm debating sir. I'm open to different perspectives and not trying to do any distractive behaviors. Am I not allowed to ask certain questions? (not trying to be disrespectful but maybe I missed something in the guidelines).

I dropped it. Can you please answer my question and give me the alternative. What is a psychedelic really? What you learned from your trips? And how do you know that whatever you learned or experienced from these trips should be applied to the whole of reality and reveal conclusive insights about the nature of reality?

I have no idea about tripping and the experience of taking a psychedelic. Not of what a psychedelic is at a minimum level. Are you denying that a psychedelic is a certain limited object that exists in the world which gives you certain states similar to the dream state (hallucinations and visuals) or at least that's what I heard from people's trip reports. I might be wrong. If so can you please explain to me as well as answering my previous questions without further analysis of my psychological orientations!

I'm not dismissing psychedelics. I admit I never tried it but I'm not as naive to just dismiss after hearing people's reports. Pretty amazing stuff. My only question why should these experiences from psychedelics (call it hallucinations.. Mystical states.. Whatever) be taken as revealing fundamental information about the nature of reality? They are small portions of reality. A dream is identical to a psychedelic trip if not more mind blowing. Yet we can't jump into conclusions. Dreams are possible. Hallucinations are possible. Does that necessarily mean that everything is a dream? Ofcourse no. If you could elaborate on that as well as sharing what you have learned from your trips would be appreciated.

Does this mean solipsism? I am dreaming all of you? Or we both dreaming each other. I think to say reality is an imaginary dream must imply solipsism. It necessarily has to deny objectivism.

It's ok man.

I think we are getting away from the original questions in OP. It's not about real VS imagination. I think these two are not opposites. An imagination is real if it's actualized. what do we specifically mean when use the term "dream" when describing reality? .

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LOL I'm confused. You said the neurons can create different versions of reality(which is what materialism says) and then you said thers is no neurons!,

I'm not holding the truth to be anything yet (except the raw data in my direct experience.. Anything else is under investigation).

What do you mean by "orientation"? My intentions? . I'm doing simple spiritual practices to the limit of my capacity (reading books contemplating meditation listening to Leo and spiritual teachers). I joined this forum because I think having a discussion about these questions of mine with a people interested and knowledgeable in the topic is a spiritual practice in itself.

Do you agree that there is a truth and it's discoverable?

Can we get a discussion going on the topic of this thread or we can't?@Serotoninluv

Please stop it. You don't know me or my intentions. That's not so open minded of you to accuse me just because you don't like my questions for some reason.

First of all I'm not interested in debating in this thread. That would imply I already know the answers and trying to defend my position. I don't know the answers. So don't worry it's not gonna run as a debate but rather as a discovering process. Not sure why dashing the word "evidence" as if it's wrong or bad to ask the for evidence for claims. I practice mediation and contemplation. Luicd dreams happen accidentally some times. I'm starting from the conclusion that dreams can't be distinguished from reality. This isn't conclusive and I want to discover more.

Notice how you call my position of not accepting your ideas because I think it's not convincing a "close minded" when you are doing just the same with my ideas. Ps. I'm not debating Im asking these questions and I don't know the answer so that we can discover together.

Why are you calling it a crap? Can you answer that crap please because I seriously can't.

I watched it all as soon as leo uploaded it. Rewatch it please and see how Leo is questioning every goddam assumption humans make.(example :how do you know the moon exists when you are not looking at it?). When I do the same and try to find truth you call it mental masturbation. If I don't accept something I will present my reasons why I don't accept it. I won't just accept anything anyone says. That's not how to find truth isn't it?.

I'm here with an open mind. I'm asking questions and looking for convincing answers. What's wrong with that?. If an argument is not your way you call it mental masturbation?. I feel like I'm being forced to shut up and not express my questions and thoughts that way different perspectives can merge and everyone can get benefits. Go ahead and lock the thread if you want to. I don't see anything wrong with my questions to be honest! But thats gonna reveal who's the one that's having issues with openmindedness.