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@Samuel Garcia moving on to the next step.. The definition of a "thing" is infinity. Thing =infinity. Infinite means non-finite=non definitive=unknown =no thing. Meaning that It's undefined. You can't define a thing at a fundamental level. I don't mean giving superficial labels.. I mean going to the existential core of what things are.. What is this present moment that you call reality? Obviously it is a "thing" right? But what Is a thing? You can't actually "say" what that is because all words are defined in terms of each other and they give you circular definitions that don't explain anything. Why is there something? Because there is awareness of something.. And why there is awareness of something? Because there is something!! You see the circulation. You already assume that there is something before actually investigating the question. And when you investigate it enough you will see the circulation . The paradox.. The self-reference proplem. You can't prove all the premises of a logical structure from within that logical structure.. You have to go meta at some point. For example how do you know that you are aware? You actually cannot prove to yourself that you are aware because that will lead to self - reference proplem and infinite regression.. "I'm aware that I'm aware and I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware and I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware... To infinity". It's not something that can be proved rationally that you are aware.. It's a first hand experience and not a matter of proof. Why is reality nothing? First of all it's not nothing as in zero or blankness and Leo said that clearly in the video. Nothingness is the quality of emptiness.. All these forms that you see around you are inherently empty.. Always changing and morphing and shifting.. There is no fixed reality.. It's just a Flux. Reality is a shape shifter not a static thing.. And that's why it is not a "thing" but rather a No-thing constantly shifting from one "thing" to another "thing". Look at this GIF.. Notice that that's not a "thing".. You can't give it any identity.. You can't say what that thing is.. And that's like all of reality.. It's nothing because you can't say what that thing is or give it any fixed identity because it has none.

No son .. I already know that you are just messing around for no reason to convince no one about no thing.. And I am just playing with you.. I mean with no one.. I mean no one playing with no one.. For some reason or none.

precisely because there's nothing there to be found.. This "aha" moment that you keep waiting for it to happen.. Is never going to happen.

@Nahm OK. My bad.

What is a thing? Define "thingness". Before attributing "some"=something. "No"=nothing.."every" =everything. .. But what is a thing? A thing as a thing not your concepts about it.. The "thing in itself" as they call it.. What Is that? . You have to notice that you know nothing about it.. You have to admit first that you actually do NOT know what the hell a thing is.. And then we can move to next step. Because if you think you already know what that is.. Fine go for it.. You don't need to ask about it. You are right and I'm wrong.

@Nahm are you saying that if I stopped Believing that I exist I would literally cease to exist? ... Hmmm let's give it a try and report back.. Actually tried it : didn't work ?. @zeroISinfinity funny your name is "zero IS infinity" and yet you are looking for the zero somewhere else from the infinity.

@zeroISinfinity @zeroISinfinity so you are dreaming this stuff up and it's bothering you and you wish to stop dreaming? OK just stop dreaming then.. What's stopping you?? You can turn this movie off In a blink of an eye and since that's "your greatest desire" why you don't just do it? What are you asking Nahm about? Wanna die just go die. You exist tho..

"our" mind? What's that lol? No such thing in actuality. There is no a "you" who owns a "mind"..show me where is these things other than in "the mind"? How do you know?. How do you know there is any other minds out there other than your "own" mind right now projecting or imagining or perceiving the actuality of now? What is consciousness? What's the difference between randomness and order? How could one of them exist without the other? Can you have up without down? What is imagination? What is thinking? What is causality? What is logic? How do you derive conclusions from premises? Is there any absolute parameters for that or is it just purely relativistic games? What is "everything that can be imagined" ? Could it be captured or isn't it a must that it's a paradox? Is there answers to these questions? Yes there is answers.. But these answers never answer the question of what asking questions and answering them ultimately answeres.

Your interpretation of the world is the world and the world is your interpretation of the world. So when you ask : are these patterns that we call "laws" there? The answer is yes AND no. You seem to suggest that the answer is just NO by appealing to the fact that these patterns are not found out in the world but rather a projection of the mind and therfore they are not objective .. But when you say that everything is a projection of the mind then it becomes objective because it's the only reality and there is no contrast to it.

And what's REALLY the difference between the two? Think about that.

Yes but Ivan.. I'm love and my ignorance is love.. And you are love and you should love me for my ignorance and not just..... Oh wait even you calling me for my ignorance is love since love is everything...ok I get how this works.. Therefore I decide to call you full of shit and an echochamber of pink unicorns and butterflies but that's love since love is everything obviously.. Or you know what I choose to call it sweet potato since sweet potato is everything obviously. Your game is so silly and easily spottedbtw.. I thought you was sincere at first but it's clear to me that you are just toying around with this love Tautology and therefore it's a waste of my time.

It is a word tho. You are defending a ghost in your mind.. You lose.. I win ?

@ivankiss consider a person who is illiterate and doesn't know any human language or any words... And he had a mystical experience to the thing that you call "love".. Do you think he is gonna call that "love"? Ofcourse not.. He doesn't even fucking know the language. And yet that doesn't make his experience less valuable just because he couldn't translate it into a limited human lovey dovey word.. In fact that would make it even more sincere and honest if he could just shut the hell up and experience the indescribable.

@ivankiss it is indeed impossible to let something go because there's nothing to grasp at in the first place .. The sooner you realize the better.. Instead of jumping from one delusion to higher quality delusions. "Love" is just a word. L- o- v- e... Just shapes on a screen. No don't tell me how deluded I am.. That's what that is.

@ivankiss let the love go and be completely free..

I have no fictions to drop.. "Mechanical universe" .. "consciousness universe".. What's the difference? Both are fictions both are words. Does me believing a certain narrative about what the hell is going on in reality going to change what the hell is going on in reality??? The sun will rise..your body will urge you to feed it and keep it safe.. And so on.. What you are suggesting is complete disidentification with everything humans conventional assume..it's not possible to live from that state of consciousness.. I'm not saying that what you said was wrong btw.. All I'm saying it's not so funny and useless to make these assumptions that you are laughing at..these assumptions are what is keeping you alive basically.

Drop that fiction (really drop it) and see how you gonna die in a matter of days..

If you want to cut the shit about this topic .. Just sit down and do very simple contemplation and self-observation.. You will quickly discover that "the past" is literally just and idea (or image) that is occurring now.. And that's all that there is to it. Then the next thought you will have is this "yes the memory is occurring NOW but the actual event that is been carried by the memory happened in" the past " not in the NOW".... And again you have to notice that that is just another idea that is occurring in the now. Now whether you gonna basically keep repeating the same question about new occurring ideas or you just get it is determined by how much coffee you drank today.

It's easy to to tell if something is "good" or "bad" from a somehow "moral" perspective.. If after you do it you feel happy.. Blissful.. Peaceful.. Accepting.. Loving.. Then what you did was Good and you know it . If after you did it.. You felt miserable.. Suffering.. Angry..regretting.. Hating..then what you did is bad and you know it. So you could apply that to the act of prostitutes or killing a child.. These people are generally feeling negative emotions about what they are doing no matter how bleak or careless they appear on the outside.. There is a moral compass inside every human.. Even tho from a rational perspective morality is completely relative.

"The tao that can be named is not the eternal tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name"

Perhaps you should try to grasp how silly it is to try to grasp the ungraspable. Trying to use thoughts and concepts to comprehend what by it's very nature is incomprehensible is like trying to use your ears to drink water to satisfy your hunger.. The wrong tool for the wrong goal.

You can't have an unconditional condition.

@Javfly33 also I think it's helpful to create a duality between the true self and the false self.. Saying that "you" don't exist and leaving it at that is really not the whole story.. You obviously do exist even tho you don't! It's just that the self cannot be found as a product of any external or internal phenomenon.. It's always in the background.. The ghost is not inside the machine.. The machine is inside the ghost. And to be more accurate it's all just the ghost.

You see how hilarious that is? It's like asking how can Santa accept that he doesn't exist?Ofcourse he can't because he can't do anything because it's not him who does stuff in the first place.

Why is that an issue anyways? It's only an issue if you think that you "should" react to certain things in a certain way determined by society or by how others react to that same thing.. None of that matters unless you think it is.. If you find something disgusting don't go there.. If you find something exciting go there.. Hungry? Eat.. Not hungry? Don't eat. As simple as that.