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@Nahm as expected.. Everything is just thoughts that one should let go off. . . Your entire post is nothing but a bunch of thoughts as well if you haven't noticed. No offense lol... But we seem to live in a totally different reality.. I get where you're coming from but I don't see anything of usefulness coming out of your approach.. Maybe if someone wants to die or kill their sense of reality they should go to you.. But not if they want to get rid of suffering.. Unless if you equate the two.. But I don't think so..since again you are still alive and functional.. So you don't walk your own talk. Side note : Also what makes it hard to respond to you is the overuse of "" and stressing on words.. Maybe you think that makes your message clearer but it only make it more confusing.

Makes no difference. Suffering comes in different tastes.. Physical. Emotional etc. Some people may have more tolerance to this kind of suffering more than the other or vice versa.. In any case it is still suffering and everyone experiences it and will continue to experience it in one way or another as long as they are in this world that we share no matter how enlightened you think you are and no matter how convinced you are that "it's all love". Honesty I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Except what you are asking for is literally impossible.. I wonder how your body is still alive.. Eats and sleeps and types if you have no thoughts 24/7? It can work out temporarily during deep meditation sessions but not as a permanent thing. Also why should I not respond with thoughts? What's so wrong about thoughts when they are almost 90% of the existential perception? Do you think it is even possible to stop thoughts forever? From my observations thoughts cannot be stopped because there is no thinker of thoughts.. They just arise at auto pilot. And if one manages to actually stop thinking permanently he will be no longer functional and will either die or end up in insane asylum. Ofcourse these are all just thoughts so all you have to do is to just dismiss them as mere thoughts as if that has anything to do with the shitty filled with suffering reality that we all are experiencing.

@Nahm suffering is real. 100%. 200%. Absolutely. Totally. Completely. Pain that is. Very unpleasant sensations. Makes some people go nuts. Fall into depression. Commit suicide. You probably had plenty of it throughout your life and still experiencing glimpses of it it here and there throughout your day. I'm not talking about philosophical spiritual abstract suffering.. That is not "real" suffering.. Real suffering is physical material objective in this area or that..

The second you open your mouth you are already wrong.

Well.. You see exactly what you are seeing right now! . And it is indeed nameless unless you wish to give it some name. It is not a cop-out..labeling stuff is what is in fact a cop-out.. Do you think an apple has some inherent name other than whatever name you attach to it?? P.S I would rather not to derail this thread lol.

The name that can be named is not the eternal name.

LOL.

If "the map is not the territory" and "the tao that can named is not the eternal tao".. Then why cling to the label "love"? You say "love is not just a word or a a concept.. It's the very substance and of reality". I mean when you look at the world you don't see the label "love" in the ingredients table at the back of the product lol. After all it's indeed a human word that we project onto the world. You say "formlessness is love" "infinity Is love".. But who is saying that? It is YOU.. The formless itself doesn't speak. You say "ofcourse it does.. Here it is speaking through me". Yes and here it is speaking through me as well denying love!!!

Proof of god. Was having a discussion with a friend when he asked me : Fr: do you think god exists? Me : ofcourse. Fr: what is your proof? Me :existence! Fr: how so? Existence could be a product of chance or maybe there is multiple universes or maybe we are inside a simulation... Why does it have to be God? Me: existence is a proof of existence. God is existence actual existence. Fr: I don't understand.. Which god are you talking about? Me :there can only be one God because there can only be one infinity. Fr: that's true but which God is the real one? The Christian God or the hindu God etc? Me : none of them. Fr : how so? Which one is it then? Have you seen him? Me : ofcourse no. No one can and no one will. How can you see something that has no beginning and no end? Fr: hmm.. But then .. What makes you sure that God exists? ..isn't it better to be agnostic? .. Maybe there is no God after all.. Me : lol. There is no way. If you are fully aware of this present moment you will know it's impossible that God doesn't exist. Fr: what does that have to do with God? Me: because God is not separated from creation.. God's fingerprints are present in every moment of creation. If you can see it you can see him. Fr: you just said that you can't see him.. Me :yes because God is infinite.. There is no place for both YOU and HIM to be .. He take all the place.. If he is to be present.. You have to leave first. Fr: leave? Me : to die basically. To disappear. That's the only way to see God directly and to know for certain that he is real. That he is the reality itself. Fr: so are you saying that God is existence.? Like the pantheism of eastern religions? Or is God a separate being who created the world and is no longer in contact with it? Me : the infinite can't be separated from anything. Yet at the same time it is always free and not limited to only include a certain finite worlds. So God is precisely this present moment that you are experiencing right now and yet he is none of that stuff and completely beyond it and beyond anything you can even imagine!, Fr: that's weird lol Me : exactly. God is a weird motherfucker. Why do you think humans struggle so much with understanding God? In fact he cannot be understood. That's what makes God God. You can understand anything except God. Investigate reality as deep as you can.. And once you hit a point where your mind collapses and your logic give up.. You've reached God.. You've reached to nowhere and everywhere.

Yes and using that same logic.. How can you know for certain that that's what happens when the body dies when you didn't actually experience it yet obviously??????

Existence and non-existence is a duality lol

I know. Which is why there is no alternative.. If you become "totally" conscious of it I guess you literally die.. Can't function without duality.. Nothing could even exist without duality (or without you imagining that there is duality at least). In that case If you define heaven as that then it literally means the end of experience once and for all annihilation forever. And that's what Buddhism defines nirvana as btw.

The absolute is all that exists . Can't merge with myself cuz I already am myself. There is no ego to die. God is just another word for the absolute.. So.... If that happend I couldn't be here obviously.. And If that's what you think enlightenment is then no human alive is enlightened. That's already the case

@actualizing25 define what do you imagine "enlightenment" to be first..

@actualizing25 you can't have unconditional condition. Nothing is eternal. Anything that begins must die eventually . Eternal joy? Lol let that shit go.

Yes to a fantasy. Why? Because the human self wishes to live in a perfect reality that fits all It's desires but this wish clashes so bad with the actual reality that just happens to be a pain in the ass for the most part.. So no other solutions than to run into la la land.

A fantasy.

God did it. Abra kadabra stuff. You've been told that since you were a child.. Why you don't want to get it?

How do you know that you Gonna die someday? What if you are stuck in this life forever? Have you actually tried to die to test if it's real? Where is the scientific honesty? Shame on you.

@iceprincess start slow and finish fast.. We like that shit.

All people are me! We are awesome aren't we? Me and you? When you look deep into your loved one's eyes.. What do you feel? You feel lost in them. You lose your identity into them and you become one when them. That's the final goal. The aim of all my seeking . Is to merge into you and become one with you. Whoever reading these words right now.. Is me. The awareness. There is apparent separate persons though. But what "you" are is not a person. You are the background that is observing. And I am that. Therefore I am you. You understand? You are literally physically actually accurately me.. Now we can fall in love with each other. We can focus on what seperates us though and that's equally true.. You are not me =you are me.. Makes no difference .. But I choose that you are me because that's more attractive. Truth doesn't have to always make sense. Nothing makes sense anyways. That's right man (or woman).. You are me.. If anyone out there is reading this .. Do you realize the significance of what I'm saying..? Oh yeah? You heard that before plenty ? But do you realize the significance of what the fuck is being said here? If you did how come you are able to not fall in love with me?

We don't know!! Why are we afraid of not knowing? It is the truth. When you don't know anything you know everything. People really need to understand that they don't know. They think that they know but they don't actually know. "Everything is figured out.". They think. And nothing is further from the truth. And it doesn't matter if you Appeal to science or to religion.. For both are faced with the same epistemological problem:::.. What is the foundation for knowledge? How do we know anything? . We give labels to objects and actions.. We write mathematical equations to describe certain patterns in nature.. We think we know this stuff.. But we actually don't. We don't know what an apple is or what a tree is or what a color is or what a sound is or what a feeling is or what a thought is or what a human is or what any thing is.. Existence is pure undefined magic.. Therefore it is mystical and divine.. It is godly.. But most people are missing the divine nature of existence because they constantly keep lying to themselves that they actually know anything at all. We don't see God because we think we know. God is not knowing.

@Samuel Garcia moving on to the next step.. The definition of a "thing" is infinity. Thing =infinity. Infinite means non-finite=non definitive=unknown =no thing. Meaning that It's undefined. You can't define a thing at a fundamental level. I don't mean giving superficial labels.. I mean going to the existential core of what things are.. What is this present moment that you call reality? Obviously it is a "thing" right? But what Is a thing? You can't actually "say" what that is because all words are defined in terms of each other and they give you circular definitions that don't explain anything. Why is there something? Because there is awareness of something.. And why there is awareness of something? Because there is something!! You see the circulation. You already assume that there is something before actually investigating the question. And when you investigate it enough you will see the circulation . The paradox.. The self-reference proplem. You can't prove all the premises of a logical structure from within that logical structure.. You have to go meta at some point. For example how do you know that you are aware? You actually cannot prove to yourself that you are aware because that will lead to self - reference proplem and infinite regression.. "I'm aware that I'm aware and I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware and I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware that I'm aware... To infinity". It's not something that can be proved rationally that you are aware.. It's a first hand experience and not a matter of proof. Why is reality nothing? First of all it's not nothing as in zero or blankness and Leo said that clearly in the video. Nothingness is the quality of emptiness.. All these forms that you see around you are inherently empty.. Always changing and morphing and shifting.. There is no fixed reality.. It's just a Flux. Reality is a shape shifter not a static thing.. And that's why it is not a "thing" but rather a No-thing constantly shifting from one "thing" to another "thing". Look at this GIF.. Notice that that's not a "thing".. You can't give it any identity.. You can't say what that thing is.. And that's like all of reality.. It's nothing because you can't say what that thing is or give it any fixed identity because it has none.