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@James123 and guess who Allah is ?

Yep. Nope. "And he presents for Us an example and forgets his own creation. He says, “Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated?” Say, “He will give them life who produced them the first time; and He is, of all creation, Knowing.” -Qur’an. you're immortal baby . Enjoy your eternal vacation on this existence.

Absolutely true . But i think balance is key... I think it depends on what are your "needs" in your life at the moment are. Like if your life is surrounded by noisy toxic people that you are forced to deal with then your life will also be hell .and in this case your needs are to spend some quality time alone or to smoke cannabis . And if you are lonely and have zero social life for a long period of time you start fantasizing about raping people and your mind goes crazy ..the cure is socializing .yin and yang. Balanced.

Sorry what's the point you're making ? I didn't understand.

And why should I disprove religion without appealing to science? I can tell you try to disprove Santa Claus without using empiricism (basically scientific method ). You are using the scientific method in your daily life whether you like it or not. It's like asking what time it is now without looking at the clock . My main questions once again ..People are religious in this era because of one reason ..and that reason is that religion gives you a set or a bedrock of existential beliefs to comfort your existential questions and anxiety. But expect without evidence. Science tries to discover from scratch. And science contradicts religion. Therefore the situation is we have to choose between mythical answers which have no proof or uncompleted answers in the meantime .

Sure . Religion also have bad side effects. Haven't you heard of Islamic terrorism? Every single Christmas we hear about some Muslim terrorist blowing himself and killing a bunch of people In Europe ..and we've got stuff like ISIS and Al-Qaida etc . And don't tell me these things have nothing to do with Islam because its literally written in quran to fight the unbelievers. So..heroin can kill people and it feels good . Islam can kill people and it also feel good to pray or recite Qur’an etc. So what's the deal here ? Just because something makes me happy doesn't mean it's good from all possible angles ..perspectives..or point of view .

Perception is direct experience via the senses . Meaning is a concept that is relative . Because you are basically asking what is the meaning of meaning ? And of course this will create a circularity problem. In the absolute sense meaning is meaningless or projected into the world. But I'm at lost as to where does this endless nitpicking and questioning every single assumption (which are just baked into language) is going to lead ? Yes I agree that the absolute is like a blank canvas and whats drawn are relative but then you said the absolute and the relative are identical In the ultimate analysis because reality is ultimately one whole and indivisible. So ..how does this connect to op? Yes a tree doesn't mean anything and all that. Once again you are being an epistemological nihilist . Deconstructing every notion as an uninherent assumption...yet ironically talking about direct knowing which you didn't define yet .

@Atb210201 Heroin also makes people happy..so....

That's a good observation.

It makes me happy .

So you are an epistemological nihilist? You believe knowledge is impossible? There is nothing but experience and perception .well if you mean direct awareness by them then we are talking about the same thing . Direct sensory experience + intellect are the only tools available. How can we attain knowledge "beyond " them ? Please give me definitions of what absolute is and what relative is . Nihilism once again .existential Nihilism specifically. It's irrelevant if other people have arrived at answers . Because everyone discovered a different answer. The scientific materialistic worldview varies from karmic Buddhist worldview and varies from Christian creationistic worldview etc.

Im experiencing lots of synchronicities and Deja Vue recently. I ain't no fool ...these things are not coincidence . If you are not familiar with such experiences its when something happens that seems symbolically or literally related to something else In a way that feels beyond a coincidence. it could be that you see the same numbers three times in one day. or you are thinking of someone and bam they call you at that very moment even though you haven't spoken in months. or it could be seeing something from a dream in "reality".etc basically it's anytime something happened that seems meaningfully related and beyound accidental chance. And these are not random .you'd be a total idiot if you believe they are coincidence. They are god blinking her beautiful eyes to you . Another angle..Have you noticed that if you listen to a source of information for a long period of time you literally become a copycat of that source of information? This happens a lot on this forum ..everyone are parroting mister Leo Gura .That's also the reason why people follow religious beliefs and ideologies. Because they get brainwashed (this term is elegant) since their childhood that Jesus is god or that Allah created the universe and they hear this repeatedly until the point it becomes literally what is real for them . But objectively there is no one fixed universal truth . Truth is simply whatever you want it to be . Of course this doesn't mean if you believe in the flying spaghetti monster 👾 that he will become real in the objective world ..but he will become real in your subjective world. I've jumped between lots of worldviews in the last 5 years and they all are equally true .they all seemed undoubtedly true at the time I believed them .examples are solipsism..realisim..Islamic mysticism..nihilism etc. So be careful what you believe or think is true .because your mind creates reality .if you believe bad things ..they will come true.

Lol those comments are hilarious. The story of everything: once upon a time there was nothing. And the nothing had an idea💡 . And it decided to endlessly flower into infinity .so it went back in time ..had sex with itself..and gave birth to itself. Beginningless..endless. "I gave birth to myself. I came out of my own vagina" -Leo.

It can't be explained..gotten ..grasped ..understood ..derived..deduced or anything else . It hits you in a fraction of a second . You already know what is the Truth. Go look into your face in the mirror at 3 AM until something happens. And once it happens you will understand that nobody gets it.

@UnbornTao this gets us inevitably to epistemology . Your answers are always about how to answer without actually answering. 😅 So let me know what epistemological system you adhere to ..you either gravitate to subjectivism where you believe that everyone should have their own answers to the metaphysical questions or nihilism where they believe that there's no answer or meaning to all of this. most ordinary and uneducated people have given up on the hard questions of life. But I don't. That's why I make tons of threads wondering about existence. People don't get the profundity of the mystery of existence. Look at your fucking hands ..you fucking EXIST!🤣 Do you think we will one day get the true answers to the metaphysical questions? But more importantly..There's two ways of thinking about this. The first similar the kind of subjectivism wherein there is no intrinsic meaning to anything and our understandings of our world are ultimately different interpretations. The second is that there is a capital-T truth out there lying in wait ready for someone to come along to discover it. Which view do you subscribe to we might say ?

Have you watched Leo's episode about distinguishing lower vs higher perspectives? Science is definitely higher perspective than religion. They cannot be put side to side . There is no competition whatsoever. Science relies on evidence and objective facts ..whereas religion relies merely on faith and belief without a hair of evidence. There is no evidence that someone like Jesus or Muhammad even existed . And what's worse isn't just that there is no evidence for religious beliefs..but that there is evidence that religions are false as I said in OP about the contradictions between modern science and what you find inside the sacred texts of these religions. You are interested in Islam right ? Me too .go open up the quran ..it talks about how the sun sets in a hot pool or a gap in the max west..which also indicates that the author of quran believed that the earth was flat and its the center of the universe and other celestial objects are orbiting around it . My point is religion based on faith plus it contradicts science..whereas science relies on factual empirical evidence. How can you lean towards religion? Please help me understand. I also want to be religious but I'm struggling with making connections between science and religion. 1) what I mean by "existential comfort " is an ultimate final absolute answers to the big questions that you cannot sleep soundly without . Like who we are ?why are we here in this existence? What will happen when we die ?etc Religion does offer an answer to these questions. Science haven't yet . Science stops on the big bang .before that they have no clue. Whereas religion does give answers. For example the religion I'm interested in which is Islam says that God is eternal and he always existed ..he is uncreated..he created everything and everyone..we are here in a test for who will be a good human being and who will be a bad human being ..and based on your deeds in this world you will be judged after you die and either go to eternal heaven or eternal hell. But what is the evidence for that? ZERO. So ..science does not have an answer yet . And religion has an unjustified answer without evidence. You see the problem? 2) sure I agree . Religion discourages thinking and discovering while encouraging dogmas and blind faith. And that means science is higher perspective epistemologically than religion. So should we throw all these religions into the trash ? Is there any good these religions can do instead of giving existential comfort (which as I explained, science doesn't give )?

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Yes that's correct..science nowadays basically equals materialist paradigm. There is no god ..no afterlife ..no soul ..no eternity..you're just a collection of atoms and when you die you get lights out forever etc(which is even scarier than the worst religious hell if you asked me). Then again don't you see the problematic aspect of religion as well ? If science is reductionistic and materialistic then religion has the balls to make definitive claims about our origin and fate in existence with ZERO evidence? Are you God realized yourself? God is the absolute. It has no form ..shape ..location..time ..house ..body..limits ..etc that's why science says there is no god because it literally lies outside the scientific methodology which assumes that all that exists is the material universe.

I like this view ..then again how is it possible to reconcile the scientific errors within holy books with science? -did the universe came because of the big bang or by god saying "let there be light "? -did humans came directly from god and he put him on earth directly or were they evolving from neanderthals? You are saying they both should exist together. But how when they both make contradictory claims about existence?

Makes sense . But not all religious people are illiterate dumbasses.Albert Einstein was a Jew ..Isaac Newton was a Christian..and others ..I don't see correlation between level of intelligence and being religious..I myself am very intelligent (😅) yet I think I'm about to become a muslim ..even though I know extensively all the bad mouthing around this religion but it just appeals to me so much. And honestly I'm not God realized or as awake as someone like Leo in his absolute conviction that one is god . I mean this must be the ultimate truth which is inevitable to accept but its too much to stomach and too good to be true . Therefore I prefer to worship God instead of considering myself God. Reason is I appear limited and fragile.

@Davino Congratulations 🎊. You're a brilliant guy . I always thought to ask Leo to become a mod ..oh having your username painted green gives more authority and truth to your comments ...but then I thought about it more deeply ..Holy shit I have to read every single post on the entire forum and watch out for the edits cuz you never know maybe someone posted a porn picture etc ..and then I'm like nah I enjoy being a nobody .

Yes that's correct. But also given that existence is infinite this means once you go through infinite incarnations that are slightly different than the others by a nanosecond or a fraction like a single hair in your beard lacking lol 😂 that also you will repeat your current life infinite amounts of time .. And this isn't woo woo stuff that i believe..it is based on a well known theory in modern physics. That there are infinite parallel universes with all the possibility of your life What does this mean? Well..first of all it means you will be born at the same time and place as the last time. If you were a Aries last time.. you'll be an Aries again. Your genetic code will also be very similar. Once again..you will have the same general features .. brown hair.. green eyes.. a tendency to be healthy..or on the contrary..a tendency to be sick often.. and so on. Etc. You will also have the same mother.. father..brothers and sisters..etc. And once again you will live in the same city.. the same country.. with the same monuments.. history.. and general society. All the "big" things repeat. Why? Because the forces that caused these things are very "big"..and they will be around the next time to produce the same general effects. I watched that movie I highly recommend it .

No but this quote is similar to the nultiverse theory .according to the multiverse model..all possible outcomes are actually realized not just possible. By definition they are possible. The point of this theory is that all possible outcomes are indeed realized in some so called "parallel universe". So yes im familiar with this concept but not sure if its the same as the multiverse theory .to this view..in these alleged "parallel universes" there are other versions of "me" . the "me" that could have been..or could be.. or could become..but not the "me" that actually was..is..or will be in this Universe. I also remember Leo talking about this concept in his infinity episode.